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Calgary Man says he was fired for not driving Pride bus
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here we go again, religious people thinking they don't have to do their job because of their religious beliefs , i wonder if he only did this because
he heard about that clerk that refused to issue marriage license , anyway here it is.
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a reply to: theboarman
So why then do we allow Indian people to work with food seeing as they can't touch beef? We give them gloves no?
We allows Muslims to also work that way, with special equipment.
This isn't about a religious man refusing to do his 'job'. It's literally in his faith that he CAN'T do it. The festival itself was called 'pride'. How much more anti-Christian do you want a Christian to be? People have their beliefs and sometimes it's going to offend someone, it's then up to that person to move on and find a different method.
From your source. "But in his termination letter that he released, city officials say Rau was never asked to drive the Pride bus and that he was losing his job for breaching the city's code of conduct and media relations policy"
They can't even admit why they're firing him because they KNOW others ARE given this kind of treatment and that would work against them in an appeal. Sickening..... Refusing to do his 'job' indeed.
Driving into a 'pride' festival.... I don't blame him for not going. As I say they named their festival after the sin that caused the fall, and for some reason, I don't think it's named by accident.
So why then do we allow Indian people to work with food seeing as they can't touch beef? We give them gloves no?
We allows Muslims to also work that way, with special equipment.
This isn't about a religious man refusing to do his 'job'. It's literally in his faith that he CAN'T do it. The festival itself was called 'pride'. How much more anti-Christian do you want a Christian to be? People have their beliefs and sometimes it's going to offend someone, it's then up to that person to move on and find a different method.
From your source. "But in his termination letter that he released, city officials say Rau was never asked to drive the Pride bus and that he was losing his job for breaching the city's code of conduct and media relations policy"
They can't even admit why they're firing him because they KNOW others ARE given this kind of treatment and that would work against them in an appeal. Sickening..... Refusing to do his 'job' indeed.
Driving into a 'pride' festival.... I don't blame him for not going. As I say they named their festival after the sin that caused the fall, and for some reason, I don't think it's named by accident.
There is nothing wrong with standing up for your beliefs. Nobody should be forced into doing something they believe is not right. Regardless what
others think. We should all be able to uphold out moral values. Whatever they are there will always be people who dont agree. We are human after all.
Im sure there would have been other drivers available.
I believe if we all are allowed to uphold out personal moral codes the world would be a much better and happier place.
Actions like this just toke the flames of hatred and cause much more damage than just getting another driver and docking the previous drivers pay.
Fascism is not the answer.
As humans we are all different, why cannot people understand this. There is nothing Liberal about forcing people to go against their personal moral codes. Especially when there is such an easy obvious solution that affects nobody.
This is killing our communities.
What happened to respecting each others personal values? Why do people get so offended when they come across someone else that has different values to them. We are human, one of the first things we learn as humans is that we are all different and have different experiences in life. This is totally out of control. Like the cake shops being put out of business for not making gay cakes, just go to another bakers and tell your friends not to shop there. Stop acting like spoiled brats........do people also sue night clubs for refusing them admission due to dress code? I mean, isnt that discrimination? Buisnesses SHOULD have the right to refuse custon, its their loss at the end of the day.
Its called freedom of choice. If there is a simple solution (get another driver, go to another bakers), then use it. pfthhhh. Stop creating more hatred.
People really need to start growing up a little and be more tolerant of others and respect their beliefs whether you agree or not. Otherwise society will implode as we are currently seeing.
I believe if we all are allowed to uphold out personal moral codes the world would be a much better and happier place.
Actions like this just toke the flames of hatred and cause much more damage than just getting another driver and docking the previous drivers pay.
Fascism is not the answer.
As humans we are all different, why cannot people understand this. There is nothing Liberal about forcing people to go against their personal moral codes. Especially when there is such an easy obvious solution that affects nobody.
This is killing our communities.
What happened to respecting each others personal values? Why do people get so offended when they come across someone else that has different values to them. We are human, one of the first things we learn as humans is that we are all different and have different experiences in life. This is totally out of control. Like the cake shops being put out of business for not making gay cakes, just go to another bakers and tell your friends not to shop there. Stop acting like spoiled brats........do people also sue night clubs for refusing them admission due to dress code? I mean, isnt that discrimination? Buisnesses SHOULD have the right to refuse custon, its their loss at the end of the day.
Its called freedom of choice. If there is a simple solution (get another driver, go to another bakers), then use it. pfthhhh. Stop creating more hatred.
People really need to start growing up a little and be more tolerant of others and respect their beliefs whether you agree or not. Otherwise society will implode as we are currently seeing.
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a reply to: Joneselius
its anti christian to drive a ''pride'' buss? i guess its really christian then to beat your wife, you know since the bibble says its ok and everything.
its anti christian to drive a ''pride'' buss? i guess its really christian then to beat your wife, you know since the bibble says its ok and everything.
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originally posted by: theboarman
a reply to: Joneselius
its anti christian to drive a ''pride'' buss? i guess its really christian then to beat your wife, you know since the bibble says its ok and everything.
It is the drivers personal belief. Do you think we should throw our moral codes out the window because others get offended? The real question is, why are people getting so offended in the first place? Do these people expect us all to bow to their wishes all the time. What a horible world that would be.
Do these people not understand we all have different values?
Many non Christian straight people would feel uncomfortable at a gay pride parade. Again, just because you are ok with it, dont expect others. WE ARE HUMANS, deal with it and stop being so offended all the time.
originally posted by: theboarman
a reply to: Joneselius
its anti christian to drive a ''pride'' buss? i guess its really christian then to beat your wife, you know since the bibble says its ok and everything.
I respect your decision not to believe in the Bible. I will not force you to Bible classes. I will not sue you because of that. I respect you have made your decisions in life as it is your life and has nothing to do with me.
I respect your decisions.
a reply to: Joneselius
You crap on your workplace via social media and you get fired, it happens all the time.
The guy is a douchebag and got what he deserved.
You crap on your workplace via social media and you get fired, it happens all the time.
The guy is a douchebag and got what he deserved.
edit on 12-9-2015 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)
a reply to: brancolinoxx
yes and i respect yours as well,sort of, but this is the 21'st century, not the middle ages, we have to do things we are not comfortable with to move forward, can you imagine if everyone didn't do things because it offended their or someone else's beliefs? we would still be in the dark ages.
yes and i respect yours as well,sort of, but this is the 21'st century, not the middle ages, we have to do things we are not comfortable with to move forward, can you imagine if everyone didn't do things because it offended their or someone else's beliefs? we would still be in the dark ages.
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originally posted by: theboarman
a reply to: brancolinoxx
yes and i respect yours as well,sort of, but this is the 21'st century, not the middle ages, we have to do things we are not comfortable with to move forward, can you imagine if everyone didn't do things because it offended their or someone else's beliefs? we would still be in the dark ages.
Dont you think it would be better if we learned to more accomodate each others beliefs? I know there are some situations where this is unavoidable, but in situations like this, the solutions are obvious.
We need to be more tollerent of each others moral codes and accommodate them when possible. That is what builds communities and respect for others. Forcing people to go against their moral codes or punishing them, when other solutions are so obvious, creates hatred and goes against the core values of what Liberalism actually is.editby]edit on 12-9-2015 by brancolinoxx because: (no reason given)
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originally posted by: theboarman
a reply to: brancolinoxx
yes and i respect yours as well,sort of, but this is the 21'st century, not the middle ages, we have to do things we are not comfortable with to move forward, can you imagine if everyone didn't do things because it offended their or someone else's beliefs? we would still be in the dark ages.
Why not get another driver? And dock the first drivers pay? Isnt that the most obvious solution. This 'solution' is utterly hateful and disrespectful.
Were there honestly no other drivers available? You are right, its the 21st century and people have still not learned to tolerate others morals. They are still forcing people to go against them. People have still to learn we are all different and it is no reason to get offended by that. No reason at all. All 'groups' are guilty of this. Religious ones too.
edit on 12-9-2015 by brancolinoxx because: (no reason given)
a reply to: theboarman
I wonder, would the folks drive a bus wrapped in some other insignia? Swasticas, star of David, Isis blackies, etc etc.
I guess its not a smartest of ideas to enforce an ideology of any sort into public offices - transportation included.
So, the chap in question has all the rights in the world to object.
I wonder, would the folks drive a bus wrapped in some other insignia? Swasticas, star of David, Isis blackies, etc etc.
I guess its not a smartest of ideas to enforce an ideology of any sort into public offices - transportation included.
So, the chap in question has all the rights in the world to object.
a reply to: theboarman
He was still on probation with the company and refused to do his job , drive a bus , he was fired for that and comments he made.
A bus driver does not have the liberty to choose which bus he drives or doesn't drive.
He was still on probation with the company and refused to do his job , drive a bus , he was fired for that and comments he made.
A bus driver does not have the liberty to choose which bus he drives or doesn't drive.
If you take the job, do the job.
If your religion gets in the way ... find another job.
The Muslim taking a job at a eatery that specialists in bacon and eggs ... and then wants to be accommodated because he can't handle bacon.
This is all just stupidity!
Find a job that your religious beliefs can handle! It is not up to the boss to make these accommodations.
This guy is a bus driver! Drive the damn bus or get another job.
What ... a gay person gets on his bus, what does he do? Call it in so someone else can drive the bus?
No, fire his butt! Tell him it is his problem because it is not the boss'.
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If your religion gets in the way ... find another job.
The Muslim taking a job at a eatery that specialists in bacon and eggs ... and then wants to be accommodated because he can't handle bacon.
This is all just stupidity!
Find a job that your religious beliefs can handle! It is not up to the boss to make these accommodations.
This guy is a bus driver! Drive the damn bus or get another job.
What ... a gay person gets on his bus, what does he do? Call it in so someone else can drive the bus?
No, fire his butt! Tell him it is his problem because it is not the boss'.
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: theboarman
He was still on probation with the company and refused to do his job , drive a bus , he was fired for that and comments he made.
A bus driver does not have the liberty to choose which bus he drives or doesn't drive.
So you think we have to reght to try and upholod our personal values?
If he was on probation and was sacked for other issues also then fair enough. If he was solely sacked because of his personal beliefs, thats wrong and intolerant. People should not be forced into situations that make them uncomfortable if it can be easily avoided, as in this case.
a reply to: pheonix358
It wasnt a gay getting on a bus. It was being involved in a pride parade. Different.
It wasnt a gay getting on a bus. It was being involved in a pride parade. Different.
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If someone comes to my house for dinner who doesnt like fish, I will not give them fish. Even if I really enjoy fish.
I will not serve them fish and get offended because they dont like it, then kick then out of the house.
I will not serve them fish and get offended because they dont like it, then kick then out of the house.
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originally posted by: Joneselius
It's literally in his faith that he CAN'T do it.
If it's "literally" in his faith then show me where it is written "Thou shall not drive a pride bus".
a reply to: brancolinoxx
I have a public service licence which means I used to be a bus driver for my local bus company ,I know from personal experience that they don't carry spare drivers so if this guy refused to drive the bus the company would likely have to call in a driver on their rest day , that would cause the company problems and the poor driver who had to cover the shift.
As a driver you can refuse to drive a vehicle on safety concerns but not because you don't like the livery of the vehicle.
If he was on probation and was sacked for other issues also then fair enough. If he was solely sacked because of his personal beliefs, thats wrong and intolerant.
I have a public service licence which means I used to be a bus driver for my local bus company ,I know from personal experience that they don't carry spare drivers so if this guy refused to drive the bus the company would likely have to call in a driver on their rest day , that would cause the company problems and the poor driver who had to cover the shift.
As a driver you can refuse to drive a vehicle on safety concerns but not because you don't like the livery of the vehicle.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: Joneselius
It's literally in his faith that he CAN'T do it.
If it's "literally" in his faith then show me where it is written "Thou shall not drive a pride bus".
They shouldn't encourage sin.
I know you dont see it as a sin, thats up to you. People hate hunting, hunters dont. People hate animal testing, others see it a vital. People hate vaccinations, others dont. Get used to the fact we are different. It is normal. If you hate people because of this obvious fact, you are a problem too. We need to learn to try to accommodate each other as best we can. Like I said, we all do this to some degree and we need to learn to stop it. Rebuild our communities on respect, tolerance and understanding. Try to accommodate peoples beliefs as much as possible. Without the hatred and critisism just because we dont understand others views.
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a reply to: brancolinoxx
Your home is yours and you have every right to invite whoever you wish into it and serve them whatever you want. However none of that even remotely applies here.
1) This is a business, not a private residence.
2) The driver does not own the business. He is an employee.
3) The business owner has every right to terminate the employment of a subordinate who refuses to do the work assigned to them.
And that is just covering who was in a position to have authority and the ability to make decisions. That doesn't even start to cover anti - discrimination laws or the subject of risk / reward ratio involved in making a social statement or stand on an issue - a potential loss of revenue to the company that this man worked for.
Your home is yours and you have every right to invite whoever you wish into it and serve them whatever you want. However none of that even remotely applies here.
1) This is a business, not a private residence.
2) The driver does not own the business. He is an employee.
3) The business owner has every right to terminate the employment of a subordinate who refuses to do the work assigned to them.
And that is just covering who was in a position to have authority and the ability to make decisions. That doesn't even start to cover anti - discrimination laws or the subject of risk / reward ratio involved in making a social statement or stand on an issue - a potential loss of revenue to the company that this man worked for.