Feminism brainwashed this poor man into feeling bad about grilling

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Answer

I'm sure he has his tackle intact. Is that the mark of a man, Mr Macho, that he has testicles? In my book it takes more than a pair of those to make a decent man. I'll be glad to see barbaric, cave man, aggressive, bullying maledom consigned to the trash bin of history for sure. I'm your Nemesis mate. I'm here and there are millions like me now, men and women and all the colours in between, like it or not. Punches, guns, knives and kicks don't work through a pc screen so that can't try to shut me up any more. Brute force has lost its sting. Sting like a butterfly and float like a bee.

You sure extrapolated a whole load of BS from a single tongue-in-cheek statement.

Lighten up, Francis.

It touches a raw nerve for the reasons I stated. I really do feel very passionate about this issue. I have issues with the negative side of male behaviour and with men in control for the last few thousand years it has been nothing but territorial war, genocide, destroying nature and bringing the world to near ruin. I don't think women generally have the same mind set (though some do). I sincerely believe that given the chance the female imagination may come up with some very useful ideas to meet the challenges of our future. I entertain the idea that nature might be encouraging this.

Sorry to be so passionate but I am being truthful about my feelings. Here in the UK there are big changes taking place. It is normal to see men pushing prams and being the house husband here now. A lot of guys think that is demeaning to them and threatens their status. I think it is a healthy and refreshing development. Those kind of men are no lesser men for doing that.

Men will ridicule and belittle that which threatens their status as we clearly see here. That is because traditionally they have had power over women and they don't want to lose that power. Women who like the old way of doing things will support that, too. I am suggesting that these traditional roles are on the way out. The people who are calling the shots in this world have embraced that change. Might that be for a very good reason? Is it necessarily a bad thing?

I've been on the receiving end of the mess men had become and had to grow up with that. I got so much stick, but I look back and see I was an agent of change. There is no pretence. It is just my reaction to my environment. Isn't that how evolution works to adapt and try something new if it isn't working? Evolution and change can't be halted. They are much bigger forces than we are as individuals. We will always be subject to the laws of nature and are very blind indeed if we think we have conquered it. Nature acts beyond our consciousness. The universe made us and the universe rules. Nature may be balancing us out by changing gender definitions, which has been taking place for well over a hundred years, since the Suffragette movement and that seems to be a good measuring stick. That is longer than anyone has lived and it is gathering momentum all the time. I suggest there is a reason for this beyond human manipulation of social engineering. Now it is actually suiting society where it began as an outcast protest, a voice in the wilderness.

At least I have taken all this time to write my point of view rather than one silly sentence misinforming us that any original thinking man trying new ideas doesn't have testicles and is somehow a sissy boy and a lesser man. I assure you this is quite the reverse and I think it is well timed and very positive. It is the oldest trick in the book to ridicule and subjugate opposition. Politicians do it to each other all the time.

I've written so much here today. I'm tired. It is 4am. I've done my best to explain myself. Good night.

The more you take this 3rd wave modern feminism garbage serious,the longer it will last in the media.

When things like substandard firefighter, army, and other qualification made for women fail and start costing lives, then it will see the end.

The internet is full of all kinds of people, writing all kinds of things- much of them quite ridiculous.

With such a wide variety of nonsense available, I can only hope that that has the eventual effect of making some people simply disregard it all and live their lives as they wish. That they get sort of "desensitized" to all this culture war, because it has exploded to no longer have any limits.

In our home, it has always been I who barbeques, because my husband can't even start a fire. He didn't have a family that did camping, and he lived in apartments- he never had any opportunity to learn to build a fire. It never entered my mind that this was un-masculine. I don't think he feels it is either.

I'm not going to waste another moment contemplating this drizzle.

a reply to: mahatche

So true. As ridiculous and laughable as this may seem, still highlights what the trend seems to be.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Because it's at a point that to an individual's life, it may not be applicable/noticed in a tangible way, but outside trends are making problems more prevalent.

a reply to: mahatche

Read the comments @ Slate. That's a pretty progressive crowd generally speaking and there are zero positive comments from men or women, gay or straight and even a Slate staff writer said, "this doesn't make any sense."

Slate's probably running this article to get some of the traffic that New York magazine got with that cuckold abomination from a few days ago. Point being, I wouldn't be overly concerned because the number of people who can get behind garbage like this (from OP source):

"On the other hand, it bears the stain of unintentional masculine cliché. Gathered around the coals with beers slung low, we’re all but enacting a myth of the American man, telling a story in postures and poses."

are so few and far between that it's irrelevant except perhaps among hipster male feminist bloggers who think that emasculating themselves on the Internet is evidence of some sort of radical enlightenment.

a reply to: Revolution9

I agree with your stance completely. if a man wants to stay home and be a house man I see no issues with this at all. I think the problem is that militant feminist give feminists a bad name. people should live their lives the way the want and not worry about what others think. but evolution as you say is exactly that, let men be men if thats what makes them happy and they aren't hurting anyone, who cares.

I feel like the backlash is the war being raged against men from the feminist movement and the feminist movement needs men to be successful and alot of bad apples are tarnishing the name feminist

im a feminists but i hate feminists if that makes sense

Just bust out a Donald Trump:

"I will be the the best griller that God ever created." "That feminist, she's a bad negotiator, she called me one time, let me give you her number"

You know, if modern idiots really want to redifne feminism and misogyny to this degree, let them. I'll happily embrace being a misogynist if the *ahem* "man" who penned this article truly represents feminism. The day feminism means men abdicating their testicles is the day feminism needs corralled and rebranded as what it is: sexist garbage.

originally posted by: rockpaperhammock
a reply to: mahatche

Well if the man is grilling then what purpose does the woman have when shes in the kitchen....?

I'm totally joking before I get stoned to death....but its kind of this guys fault for feeling bad. Feminism is definitely going too far but it certainly hasn't changed how I behave...and for the record I think women and men are equal...that is why they should have to register for the draft.

Are you dating a feminist from this current wave by any chance? Any man willing to date one probably has no problem being tugged by the balls. I'm sure she has driven it into him in as deep as humanly possible, too feel like there is something inherently wrong with masculinity is bizarre. I really do feel sympathy for him.

originally posted by: Joneselius
I personally think feminism has become a tool to strip a man of his physique as it's 'threatening' to women.

Men ARE naturally stronger and more capable of physical carrying, weight lifting and hard labour than women are, and I suppose in a way this is threatening because, as a woman, if this thing loses control that's it, it's hammer time and the women will always lose (unless she's some martial arts champ), so to disarm the man before anything even kicks off (God only hopes it wont) feminists castrate men so badly that they don't feel they CAN stand up to a woman.

This is purely an off the cuff, poorly thought out response and I'm more playing with a notion, but at this moment in time, this is how I feel about it.

I've seen male feminists make the argument that we will never experience equality, until the tables have been turned on men for hundreds of years. It feels like indoctrination, anyone regurgitating something so extreme has to be in an radical feminist bubble.

There are defiantly feminists who fear men though, some have been harmed by men, but even in those cases it's not healthy to immerse yourself in the fear. It can't become irrational to the point that masculinity is feared as a whole.

originally posted by: ketsuko
How absolutely asinine! My sister does the grilling in her household. It's not a gender thing. It's what you like to do. It's portrayed as a man thing, but that doesn't mean it has to be. Is my husband less masculine because he likes to cook? He's lab trained and now works the desk. For him, cooking is probably as close to lab work as he'll ever get again, and that's why he enjoys it. Cooking is science.

All the women in my life grill from time to time. I think this guy is a classic case of being over educated. After a while they start to see the world through the gender filter. Everything is compared to the concepts they read about. the world is a trope.

I never thought of cooking with a scientific approach, it actually makes cooking more interesting. It's like chemistry.

I thought grilling was a man thing because in a lot of homes it is the only time the wife gets to kick back relax and have the hubby do all the work . The women can sit around and chuck a few wines down while the men burn away and talk sport fishing or boobs . Its a family / friends thing , nothing to do with feminism . Your female and want to grill , sure i will sit back , just dont forget to burn it the required amount . Did i mention boobs , yep men are pigs get over it .
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Also, I think your title is false, leding, misleading, inflammatory, and sucks.

I disagree, I genuinely believe this kind of argument is comes from indoctrination (regardless of this being a joke i may have fell for). The problem with some of these gender groups is they act as positive feedback loops. When you reach the more radical fringes and approach it as an activist, the people in your life will naturally dwindle down to the most like minded. Most can only take so much before they consider it a preachy buzz kill. This is also helped by the massive block lists they've built to filter out anyone who challenges them. They aren't open to dissenting views, they live within the comfort of their conformation bias to the extent that it is virtually brainwash. It's cult like. Many of them even wear the same feminist uniform.

I have genuine concerns about the psyche of people involved with this current wave. I don't like the self hate I've seen it produce in men. I genuinely feel there is potential to create a victim complex in women as well. The sense of entitlement and immaturity toward biology also bother me. There are feminist from past generations I love very much, but the new wave is unhealthy for our society. I don't like the idea that masculinity is inherently bad, and something you should feel guilty about feeling. I don't like how every thought gets labeled and compartmentalized for it's unacceptability. It's becoming very anti-intellectual. I'm not a fan of soft despotism.

originally posted by: proob4
No wonder I cant get laid?
I nver bow down.

$&ssy on the pedestal....

men's biggest mistake, can't coupons and gas money to go to the store and pick up food for the family enough😜

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: mahatche

As a freelance writer of online articles...here's the issue with writing online articles:

I can almost guarantee that this content writer bid on this job saying he would do it for so much per word, or so much per article; he was given a tight deadline; and, given some buzzword filled outline for what the website wanted. He likely said to himself. "What's $75 dollars worth of content about grilling, feminism, and existentialism with a millennial bent? Okay so...gifs...iPhone pics...self hatred."

Two hours later he had a full article and it was sent in to be edited. More often than not, content posted on internet magazines such as slate are pay for play, meaning, he writes the article, gets a fee but more than that he gets a very small space at the bottom where he gets to promote what he really loves.

Take everything you see with a grain of salt. This author likely doesn't feel this way anymore than I feel guilty for brushing my teeth because homeless people can't and it's something "clean people" do.

fair point, but it could also be a projection on to him.

The problem I have with this explanation is the fact that I've heard many of his points made by genuine dead serious feminists. Even if what you say is the case, it's still a #ty idea to put out there for these poor people to eat up lol. It's a very emotionally driven cause, if I can fall for it on this end, people hell bent on padding everyone emotions will defiantly fall for it.




I feel like I'm responding to every post so I'm pasting this here. to avoid flooding the page.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: JDmOKI

It's definitely a satire of something.

Irony is great and all but it is the tool of those too fearful to speak their mind. That, to me, says a lot.

That's a great point about satire, it's usually used out of necessity. The fact that so many people have seen the real life versions of his arguments says something.

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Answer

I'm sure he has his tackle intact. Is that the mark of a man, Mr Macho, that he has testicles? In my book it takes more than a pair of those to make a decent man. I'll be glad to see barbaric, cave man, aggressive, bullying maledom consigned to the trash bin of history for sure. I'm your Nemesis mate. I'm here and there are millions like me now, men and women and all the colours in between, like it or not. Punches, guns, knives and kicks don't work through a pc screen so that can't try to shut me up any more. Brute force has lost its sting. Sting like a butterfly and float like a bee.

You sure extrapolated a whole load of BS from a single tongue-in-cheek statement.

Lighten up, Francis.

It touches a raw nerve for the reasons I stated. I really do feel very passionate about this issue. I have issues with the negative side of male behaviour and with men in control for the last few thousand years it has been nothing but territorial war, genocide, destroying nature and bringing the world to near ruin. I don't think women generally have the same mind set (though some do). I sincerely believe that given the chance the female imagination may come up with some very useful ideas to meet the challenges of our future. I entertain the idea that nature might be encouraging this.

Sorry to be so passionate but I am being truthful about my feelings. Here in the UK there are big changes taking place. It is normal to see men pushing prams and being the house husband here now. A lot of guys think that is demeaning to them and threatens their status. I think it is a healthy and refreshing development. Those kind of men are no lesser men for doing that.

Men will ridicule and belittle that which threatens their status as we clearly see here. That is because traditionally they have had power over women and they don't want to lose that power. Women who like the old way of doing things will support that, too. I am suggesting that these traditional roles are on the way out. The people who are calling the shots in this world have embraced that change. Might that be for a very good reason? Is it necessarily a bad thing?

I've been on the receiving end of the mess men had become and had to grow up with that. I got so much stick, but I look back and see I was an agent of change. There is no pretence. It is just my reaction to my environment. Isn't that how evolution works to adapt and try something new if it isn't working? Evolution and change can't be halted. They are much bigger forces than we are as individuals. We will always be subject to the laws of nature and are very blind indeed if we think we have conquered it. Nature acts beyond our consciousness. The universe made us and the universe rules. Nature may be balancing us out by changing gender definitions, which has been taking place for well over a hundred years, since the Suffragette movement and that seems to be a good measuring stick. That is longer than anyone has lived and it is gathering momentum all the time. I suggest there is a reason for this beyond human manipulation of social engineering. Now it is actually suiting society where it began as an outcast protest, a voice in the wilderness.

At least I have taken all this time to write my point of view rather than one silly sentence misinforming us that any original thinking man trying new ideas doesn't have testicles and is somehow a sissy boy and a lesser man. I assure you this is quite the reverse and I think it is well timed and very positive. It is the oldest trick in the book to ridicule and subjugate opposition. Politicians do it to each other all the time.

I've written so much here today. I'm tired. It is 4am. I've done my best to explain myself. Good night.

Even if the article turned out to be a joke, i appreciate the discussions coming from it.

I think you go much too far though. It's not a threat to masculinity, it's a threat to mental health for many people.

The only rational approach is to allow people to fall where they do with out judgement, unfortunately feminism can't claim to do that. Feminism is very active in labeling characteristics of masculinity negatively and creating movements against them.

I'm in no position to call anyone a sissy as a bisexual, but I also know for many men competition is not only natural, but also a healthy release. It can go haywire, but we wouldn't have reached the highs we have as a species with out it. I see so many feminists discuss competition as if it's inherently wrong. There is no balance or appreciate for it's good qualities. It's OK to not feel the need, I have male friends who hate competition and I don't think less of them, but for some of us it's vital. When I was young it came out athletically, now I prefer to compete intellectual, and I feel frustrated and agitated when I can't. No amount of saying "yes mam" is going to change that. These qualities have survived nature for a reason. They don't only lead to war.

I'm not against balance, but it's hard to understand both sides when you approach it through gender politics. Gender doesn't need to be politics beyond genuine equal rights. Activists are actually using the word Cis as if it's derogatory. It's weird. Everyone problem on earth is attributed to white males as well. I'm not white but even i feel bad for them. You speak of masculinity in a generalized way. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with the men you know, but I've had experiences with evil women as well, I don't hold it against all women. It's an unnecessary bias.

originally posted by: luciddream
The more you take this 3rd wave modern feminism garbage serious,the longer it will last in the media.

When things like substandard firefighter, army, and other qualification made for women fail and start costing lives, then it will see the end.

That is such a dinosaur statement. When, not if, women are given opportunities to do ALL the jobs men can do their performance will be no different. Unfortunately, the U.S is not the most progressive state on the planet. In some countries, as I said in a post earlier, they have had female troops for years. These women carry guns, they have very strong physiques. They still look feminine, too. They are not pretend men. I would feel just as secure with them as a male.

Women really can do it just as well. Men took their power away through purges like the Witch Hunt and patriarchal religions. Millions of women across Europe and in the U.S were burned alive at the stake. That is the kind of behaviour men have used to dominate women.

a reply to: mahatche

I just want to say that there is a battle raging. The militant women are fighting on male terms. How often do men put down women? They put them down an awful long way raping them after every battle they won and even further when they burned millions of them. That is how men got the power they have. They took it by force. It is not a natural state of nature to have a totally male dominated society.

Modern feminism started as a militant movement. Those women are continuing the tradition and see it is getting results. Remember the male saying, "All is fair in love and war"?

There will be casualties, too. I would not wish it. Adapting is working fine for me and other men who agree with balancing out gender empowerment. I'm not led by the you know whats by any woman. I am empowered, too, but I am mighty glad women are getting a better deal now. I have read all the horror stories of the past. I've read many many seriously ground breaking books by feminists. It is all very real.

Are women really that scary? What is so frightening about a woman being strong? Why is it so intimidating? Many women seem to be intimidated by it even.

I will tell you the way I feel and think is do what you do as individuals. We all have that freedom. It is up to a couple how they want to do things. At least there is a choice now. I would say to the younger generation men who date bright women watch out. These women will not be push overs who can be dominated or who will be happy being number two kitchen skivvy.

In our brief interaction here I am not prostrating myself before you and subjecting my will to yours. I am approaching you as I would a man, with equal respect, accepting that you are as bright and able as I, adult to adult.

I know we are in for some huge changes in our western societies. I think the healthiest attitude is for men to have an open mind and learn to adapt to these changes or they may well find themselves as dinosaurs of a bygone era:

"Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'. "

Bob Dylan sure was a visionary giving that little warning to people way back in the early 1960s.

I'm going to pull out of this thread because I am taking up too much room. My apologies for being so active. I just feel passionately about this.

a reply to: mahatche

I have only this to say to the quoted article segment...

What a load of utter, and complete tripe.

The author needs to get a grip on himself, and cease this neurotic prattle. Grilling, or more accurately barbecuing food, is about the food, about that perfect char, that ideal succulence, the grand texture of the finished food. It is also far more deeply connected to the roots of human kind, than it ever is to some outrageous and outmoded notion of suburban manliness.

The reason barbecuing is such a great pastime, is that it connects us to the generations and generations of human beings who cooked over open flame, every day, because it was all they had available. Cooking out of doors is a deeply spiritually moving experience in my view. My buddy has a barbecue, and a garden in which to use it. But we do not use coals. We chop the wood, create kindling and block to burn from it, and we have a fire pit as well, and we all sit around the fire, taking turns to cook the meat, the men, the women, all together. We all get benefit from being around the elemental flame, and using it to prepare the most nomaliscious food imaginable. We sit, drink, eat, laugh till we cry, and enjoy ourselves.

Why is this author so intent on over complicating the bloody concept?

This is navel gazing of the most vomit worthy sort in my estimation.

a reply to: mahatche

Why are you blaming women for the idiot opinion of a single man?