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originally posted by: galaga
If Trump would run as an Independent, he would only need 35% of the country to vote for him to win.
Does anyone else remember what Ross Perot almost/could have pulled off back in 1992?
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well Arnold and Ventura both won elections they ran in.
Why are we so surprised that a well-known guy like Trump gains support? US politics is nothing more than a high school popularity contest, on a nation-wide scale. It's just like voting for class president. People are more likely to put their vote behind someone they know and who makes the most noise.
originally posted by: galaga
If Trump would run as an Independent, he would only need 35% of the country to vote for him to win.
Does anyone else remember what Ross Perot almost/could have pulled off back in 1992?
I think it may be possible. With the way life is like now, with people like Kim Kardashian becoming famous for being controversial and or having no talent?
How about a president for the same reasons?
originally posted by: johnwick
originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: galaga
Ugh, I can't believe people are actually supporting Trump...
I hope he quits soon.
Really?
He is much better than hitlery Clinton.
Much better jeb bush.
Actually runs a viable entity, and can't be bought.
Once you have that much money..... You really don't need a high paying job given to you after leaving office.
So lobbying doesn't work on him.
That is the best credentials of any candidate so far.
originally posted by: xpert11
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well Arnold and Ventura both won elections they ran in.
IMO this is an important point because it shows they were capable of doing so. Reagan was the governor of Californian long before he moved into the White House.
Why are we so surprised that a well-known guy like Trump gains support? US politics is nothing more than a high school popularity contest, on a nation-wide scale. It's just like voting for class president. People are more likely to put their vote behind someone they know and who makes the most noise.
Trump is tapping into the underlying anger many GOP supporters have at the lack of action concerning illegal immigration.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Yes I know, but I was answering people who were positing
a Hillary vs Jeb vs independent Trump
In that scenario, I see Trump as the winner.
A cautionary tale for Hillary and Jeb supporters.
I also see Trump as being able to win a large
segment of the Democratic voters
as well as Republican voters.
Most people are assuming he will only appeal
to Republican voters.
Not so, there will be a very large segment
of Democrat voters he will appeal to.
See my previous 2 posts.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Yes I know, but I was answering people who were positing
a Hillary vs Jeb vs independent Trump
In that scenario, I see Trump as the winner.
That scenario is going to see Hillary as the winner, whether you like it or not. That is because the situation will be a textbook repeat of the 1992 election that got Hillary's husband elected President.
A cautionary tale for Hillary and Jeb supporters.
I also see Trump as being able to win a large
segment of the Democratic voters
as well as Republican voters.
Why?
Most people are assuming he will only appeal
to Republican voters.
Not so, there will be a very large segment
of Democrat voters he will appeal to.
See my previous 2 posts.
You are basing this off of WHAT evidence? Trump may be the Republican front runner currently, but he is literally DEAD last in the national polls.
www.270towin.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
Immigration - he made comments about illegal immigrants and that offended the entire Latino population? I doubt that VERY much and just saying it sounds racist to be honest.
McCain - He said he was a POW and not a war hero. You'd be surprised how many vets and service members despise McCain, so I doubt the comment offend a majority of them either. Again if being a POW makes McCain a hero then Jessica Lynch is one too.
e is what America needs in my opinion. After eight years under President Obama, we need a person that cares about this country, wants to see us as a world power, and is willing to say the ugly truth over the pretty lie.
originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: galaga
Does anyone actually really think he would be a good president?.
I don't think I can think of many worse candidates in fact this frightens me more then any doom porn on ATS.
originally posted by: galaga
If Trump would run as an Independent, he would only need 35% of the country to vote for him to win.
Does anyone else remember what Ross Perot almost/could have pulled off back in 1992?
I think it may be possible. With the way life is like now, with people like Kim Kardashian becoming famous for being controversial and or having no talent?
How about a president for the same reasons?
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Doesn't matter if I like it or not.
Hillary is not Bill
so it is not a textbook repeat
Bill is a great speaker
Hillary's poll numbers plummet every time she speaks
Bill was quite a likeable person,
even by those who disagreed with him strongly
Hillary is not likeable at all,
she comes off stiff and snobby
(roping off reporters and herding them like cattle
is something Bill would never have done)
At the time
Bill could go on the circuit
and his poll numbers would increase
Lots of people thought Bill was good looking -
and that matters these days
Hillary is not good looking
nor does she come off as genuine or likable on camera
Hillary is no darling of the media,
she has alienated them
and you can see it in their reporting
Bill was a "can do no wrong" media darling.
As for being a woman,
she is a woman who put up with being cheated on
publicly and repeatedly
and her husband became a laughing stock,
and she has remained married
to a man who is now a national joke for cheating on Hillary.
And she got where she is by marrying someone and staying with him solely to gain power.
Not appealing to feminists or women.
Hillary is not Bill and so this election
will be quite different.
Trump could take away votes
from Hillary easily, in my opinion.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: grandmakdw
Doesn't matter if I like it or not.
Hillary is not Bill
so it is not a textbook repeat
Bill is a great speaker
Hillary's poll numbers plummet every time she speaks
Did you click on the links I provided? Hillary is winning in every poll that represents Democrats, but that isn't the reason I say it will be a repeat of 1992. The reason it will be a repeat is because if Trump goes as an Independent, he is going to split the Conservative vote. There are very few Democrats that actually support Trump (despite your insistence the opposite is the case), so Hillary wouldn't lose any votes to him, but you can bet that Jeb or whoever else the Republicans field would lose votes to him.
Bill was quite a likeable person,
even by those who disagreed with him strongly
Hillary is not likeable at all,
she comes off stiff and snobby
(roping off reporters and herding them like cattle
is something Bill would never have done)
At the time
Bill could go on the circuit
and his poll numbers would increase
Lots of people thought Bill was good looking -
and that matters these days
Hillary is not good looking
nor does she come off as genuine or likable on camera
Hillary is no darling of the media,
she has alienated them
and you can see it in their reporting
Bill was a "can do no wrong" media darling.
As for being a woman,
she is a woman who put up with being cheated on
publicly and repeatedly
and her husband became a laughing stock,
and she has remained married
to a man who is now a national joke for cheating on Hillary.
And she got where she is by marrying someone and staying with him solely to gain power.
Not appealing to feminists or women.
All polling disagrees with your opinions here.
Hillary is not Bill and so this election
will be quite different.
Trump could take away votes
from Hillary easily, in my opinion.
How? How about posting some actual SOURCES that show that a Democrat, ANY Democrat supports Trump, then maybe I could actually give SOME credence to your ideas. But for now, it looks like you are just overhyping someone that you have severely misconstrued the public's opinion of.
All your argument here does is show that, if correct, another Democrat would get the nomination over Hillary. It certainly doesn't raise Trump's chances of winning.