HuffPo is forcing me to consider supporting Donald Trump!

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: muse7
Then why vote at all?

'Cause there's nothing good on tv, and I felt like going out?

See my previous post about the blue car and the red car.

So you're putting fuel in the red car?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: incoserv

A news source you don't like, covering a joke of a candidate in their entertainment section as opposed to political news is an awfully silly reason to gain respect for a person.

Respect? Who said anything about respect?

I have absolutely NO respect for any of these sociopathic fools. Never said I had any respect for Trump, just as I had no respect for Bush nor have any for the current puppet.

I'm past having any respect fit these people and this process. There's no one respectable in the field. Respectable people stay away from American politics. It's hard for whores to respect themselves.

(I guess I should apologize to whores for comparing them to politicians.)

a reply to: Xeven

Couldn't have said it any better. When MSM plays the game, I drop out. While I don't agree with some conceptions that Trump theorizes, the fact that he doesn't need any PAC's to survive give him a different perspective on issues. IMO, PAC's are the downfall of our election process.

originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: muse7
Then why vote at all?

'Cause there's nothing good on tv, and I felt like going out?

See my previous post about the blue car and the red car.

So you're putting fuel in the red car?

If rather just dump a few gallons of water in both.

a reply to: incoserv

Donald Trump is a scam artist he has scammed with his shady businesses many people, who is to say that he is not scamming the people that are considering him right now.

A lot of talk that what he is good for, remember his personal wealth is nothing but an illusion.

The History of Donald Trump's Bankruptcy Filings

He has file for Bankruptcy 4 times

phoenixbankruptcynews.com...

More victims of alleged Trump University scam come forward supporting suit against The Donald

More than 100 people have come forward as former participants of what New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has dubbed a 'nationwide scam' and a bait-and-switch program.

www.nydailynews.com...

He has sue for anything more than 8 times

Donald Trump Sued Everyone but His Hairdresser

www.thedailybeast.com...

This man is a con artist don't let him fool you too

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: incoserv

Donald Trump is a scam artist he has scammed with his shady businesses many people...

Yes, this is true.

And Geo. W. Bush and Dick Cheney weren't scam artists?

Barack Hussein Obama is not a scam artist?

Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton are not scam artists?

DAMMIT! WAKE UP, PEOPLE! All the negative things you're saying about al Trump are true. But they are just as true about all the rest.

But you will defend to the death your choice of scam artist or liar or cheat (let's just say politician) because that's what the party or the box tells you to do?


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originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Flatfish

You'd have to be at least as "looney" to support any of the other fools who are being foisted on us a viable candidate.

There isn't a petri dish full of active brain cells in the whole field of candidates.

But you just keep spouting the approved narrative, though. Much safer that way.

Don't know what "approved narrative" you're accusing me of spouting off about but I can tell you this, right now I'm supporting Bernie Sanders and my decision to do so is based on his record. Not on articles or opinions of MSM news sites whom I deplore.

After the primaries are over, my choice may change depending on my options.

At this point, the one thing I'm pretty sure of is the fact that I won't be voting for any of the declared GOP candidates currently vying for the office.

Why, you ask? Because I feel like each and every one of them is completely out of touch with reality here in America and their voting records seem to indicate that the initiatives they support are usually diametrically opposed to our needs & concerns, much less my liberty and freedom.

a reply to: incoserv

And Geo. W. Bush and Dick Cheney weren't scam artists? Barack Hussein Obama is not a scam artist? Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton are not scam artists?

Can you name the bait and switch scams they ran on people?

a reply to: Flatfish

You know, Flatfish, you're the one who accused me of being "looney." In case you're not aware, that is a somewhat pejorative word and didn't really reflect a well thought out, intelligent and respectful train if thought.

If you have come to your conclusion thoughtfully, then kudos to you. I may not agree with you conclusion (hell, I may not even understand it), but I resoect it.

(But, honestly, I think that Sanders is just the opposite sides version of Trump.)

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: incoserv

And Geo. W. Bush and Dick Cheney weren't scam artists? Barack Hussein Obama is not a scam artist? Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton are not scam artists?

Can you name the bait and switch scams they ran on people?

Uh, I don't know about "bait and switch." That's more of a retail thing. These guys are in wholesale.

But as to deceptions, here are a few:

W. Bush and Cheney: the entire 9/11 narrative.
Hillary: Benghazi
Obama: his whole damned presidency
Jeb: pretending to have a brain

a reply to: incoserv

Yes they are all, but one thing you most remember, Donald is not a groomed politician he is just a simple and corrupted scam artist, the other ones are career politicians.

We do not really have good candidates this days I know that, but darn but do we have to go that low? with Trump?

Both Hillary and Jeb have direct links to the most powerful elite secret societies that run things.

Watch the candidates and see which ones the established media consider to be serious. Watch which ones draw the most flack. Then you'll see which ones have the fewest ties to the established behind the scenes system.

If they're drawing fire, really drawing fire, then they are either the biggest feint of all or they're the real deal.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Flatfish

You know, Flatfish, you're the one who accused me of being "looney." In case you're not aware, that is a somewhat pejorative word and didn't really reflect a well thought out, intelligent and respectful train if thought.

If you have come to your conclusion thoughtfully, then kudos to you. I may not agree with you conclusion (hell, I may not even understand it), but I resoect it.

(But, honestly, I think that Sanders is just the opposite sides version of Trump.)

You're absolutely correct, I shouldn't have accused you of being looney and I apologize for doing so.

Furthermore, I somewhat agree with your assessment of Bernie as the opposite of Donald.

Whereas Bernie stands up for "people," Donald stands up for "profit."

(ETA: While I have nothing against profit, I do when it comes at the expense of people's fundamental needs and opportunities.) end of edit.

Even though both of their causes start with the letter P, they are indeed complete opposites and everybody knows where all the profit ends up, in the hands of 1%ers like Donald Trump.

If you want this country to be run like a corporation, then by all means, Donald Trump is your man!

IMO, corporate mentality and influence is the disease that has infected and corrupted our government into it's current state of complete uselessness, at least when it comes to meeting the needs of it's people.

I also agree with your assertion that none of the candidates will be able to accomplish all of their stated goals if elected.

My comfort comes in knowing that Bernie's goals are aligned with improving the lives of people and whatever he does get accomplished will benefit "all" Americans and Not just the 1%ers.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: incoserv Yes they are all, but one thing you most remember, Donald is not a groomed politician he is just a simple and corrupted scam artist, the other ones are career politicians.

We do not really have good candidates this days I know that, but darn but do we have to go that low? with Trump?

So, your line of reasoning is that it's better to follow a groomed and trained scam artist who has been tutored in the fine arts of deception and manipulation than it is to just follow your run-of-the-mill everyday strain of scam artist.

Right?

Why?

There's an old saying amongst the fighter pilots: When you're getting the most flak, you're probably over the target.
That seems to sum up Trump at present. I like it when he makes both sides so frothing mad that they spew out stupid stuff.
As for the red car and blue car----can we just steal the wheels off both those suckers

originally posted by: Flatfish
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Furthermore, I somewhat agree with your assessment of Bernie as the opposite of Donald.

Whereas Bernie stands up for "people," Donald stands up for "profit."

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I didn't so much mean that they are opposites ideologically. I don't trust the ideology of either (neither expressed, implied or assumed).

My actual point is that I think that they are the doing same on opposite sides of the political spectrum. I don't think thath Trump is viable, but if I supported him (and I never said that I did or definitely would, only that HuffPo's dismissal of him has made me take a second look and consider him seriously) it'd be strictly as an act of opposition to the status quo.

I can't see that Sanders will be anything more.

The fact is (or I should say that my opinion is) that this political system is bought, paid for and sewn up. It's broken, irreparable and irredeemable.

We either get in the red car or the blue car, or we try our hardest to piss in either or both fuel tanks. Those are the only alternatives I see. Sorry if I sound like a pessimist or a defeatist. I just don't see any remedy.

originally posted by: diggindirt
There's an old saying amongst the fighter pilots: When you're getting the most flak, you're probably over the target.
That seems to sum up Trump at present. I like it when he makes both sides so frothing mad that they spew out stupid stuff.
As for the red car and blue car----can we just steal the wheels off both those suckers

That's my point about Trump: The fact that he's drawing fire means that he's pissing someobody off. And I support that even if I don't support him.

As to stealing the wheels, that's my point about pissing in the gas tank (or pouring water in). If enough of us just decided to not participate in the farce and made enough of a stink about it, it'd break the system. They might would resort to something harsher to maintain control, but at least it'd be without our consent, and the end result would be the same. They'd just have to take their masks off.

But that won't happen. The masses will hold on to their illusion of participatory control until the car hits the wall.

Then, they'll be saying, "Wow, didn't see that coming!"
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Heh,I do like Trumps hijinks.I just can't take him seriously,Imo it's all about self promotion..I quit going to the Huffpo when they switched to posting comments with facebook..Now I post on Mediaite.Spiderdaze..

originally posted by: TonyS

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: incoserv
Trump is nothing more than a populist designed to bleed off right wingers from Bush so that someone even less palatable will win the nomination. Its all smoke and mirrors.

It's a given that HuffPo is a b.s. website.

And "smoke and mirrors" is all that these political shenanigans are ever about.

But as to someone less palatable than Jeb Bush coming on the scene ... Either you're talking about Hillary Clinton or maybe a reincarnation of Josef Mengele?

Actually, I apologize for having mis-spoken. The idea in my mind at the time I wrote that was that Trump bleeds the right wingers to himself, thus, allowing the monied interests to insure Bush wins. Then....in the general election the angry, resentful right wingers stay home which insures Hillary wins. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

So many do no like Hillary for many very good reasons.

Trump would drain votes from her.

Remember, Democrats are made up of mainly two groups,
that I have observed,
the intelligentsia who are avowed socialists and left wing liberals,
and the lower middle class down to
poverty stricken who benefit in all sorts of ways
from the policies of the Democrats
at the expense of the middle class


The intelligentsia will remain true to Hillary no matter what.
She is their very rich babe with multiple mansions who claims
to be just like everyone else.
Just like most of the intelligentsia who are fooling themselves.

But the TV loving, media loving,
reality show watching lower classes
may really go for Trump over Hillary,
he is a known in their houses,
Hillary is a stiff old rich white lady that they can't relate to.



Remember, to much of the Democratic base
Hillary is the woman who let her husband
humiliate her world wide and stayed with
him for political reasons only. She betrayed
every feminist value.

To much of the Democratic base
Trump is well known, they have
seen him act and look Presidential,
decisive and more intelligent than
everyone else on his TV show.
Perception is reality in the minds
of many in the Democratic base.

The establishment Republican Party really doesn't like him
the Democratic Party really doesn't like him,
even though his policies are a true mix
of both parties.

The fact both parties reject him,
(remember the Republican establishment hates
him as much as the Democrat establishment)

means the best thing for him would
be to go independent just before the
Republican convention.


He would draw votes from both sides,
but a lot more Democrats than some people think

I know many of you are going to call me awful names
for speaking the truth. Meh.

a reply to: incoserv

Do you prefer a scam artist with not political background of one groomed politician scam artist.

Think about it, this days we do not have much choices but we need to see who of the scam artist will work at least at some degree for our benefit, specially those that are productive working members of society been right now oppressed to pay for the mistakes of the ruling elite and the shortcomings of the working poor.