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HuffPo is forcing me to consider supporting Donald Trump!

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv

The fact is (or I should say that my opinion is) that this political system is bought, paid for and sewn up. It's broken, irreparable and irredeemable.


Bought and paid for by corporations and special interest groups!

If you don't believe me, then answer me this; Why did it take five years longer for the LGBT community to gain "personhood" rights than it did for corporations?

At least LGBT people are actual "people." Corporations are just symbolic entities created by legal documents in an effort to protect shareholders from personal responsibility. Go figure!

Do the words "corporation" or "shareholder" appear anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence? Or even the Magna Carta, for that matter?

Now, how about the word "people," can you find that one?

IMO, It's not irreparable, it's just going to take a political revolution away from corporate puppet candidates to accomplish it and Bernie Sanders is no corporate puppet.

I will concede that the political revolution must also occur at the congressional level in order to be effective, but it is doable.


originally posted by: incoserv

We either get in the red car or the blue car, or we try our hardest to piss in either or both fuel tanks. Those are the only alternatives I see. Sorry if I sound like a pessimist or a defeatist. I just don't see any remedy.


Bernie is and to my knowledge, always has been, an independent who doesn't cower to corporate influence or lobbyist. He just chooses to caucus with the democrats.

They said that Obama couldn't upset Hillary in 2008, but it happened didn't it? I think it's a mistake for anyone to underestimate Bernie's chances this early on.




posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: incoserv
I'm with ya!


That's why I support abolishing all political parties and holding a lottery for elections to Federal offices. At least that way we'd get a few honest people into office. Term limits of 2 terms in any federal office and no pensions.

But I'm a member of the lunatic fringe who thinks that politics should be a period of service to country, not a profession.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Flatfish

The thing about Sanders is that he's an advocate of the system even if he isn't a direct part of it.

He may cloak himself in the feel-good, power to the people rhetoric of socialism. Stick it to the MAN ... by giving power to him, but in the end, he advocates positions and policies that centralize power and create the same kind of centralized power system that the elite secret societies will still ultimately control. The people will not actually hold any power, and so the elites still win, and that's why you don't see Bernie drawing any flack.

He's the new boss, same as the old boss.

It's the same reason why Occupy was socially acceptable and heroic but the TEA Party was not. The former wanted to centralize and concentrate power into the elite power structure systems while the latter wanted to dismantle them. But both had their roots in the same complaints against the establishment.


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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: incoserv



And Geo. W. Bush and Dick Cheney weren't scam artists? Barack Hussein Obama is not a scam artist? Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton are not scam artists?

Can you name the bait and switch scams they ran on people?


"We must find and destroy the weapons of mass destruction"

"If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance."

"We're going to lower the cost of insurance for most families"

"The attack on the Benghazi compound was caused by a video"

Those are a few that come to mind off the top of my head!



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: Flatfish

Thanks for the thoughts. I'll take a good look at him. Honestly, I've just chucked him on the trash heap with all the others. I may not cotton to his ideology, but I like what you say about him.

But you are certainly more optimistic that me.
edit on 2015 7 by incoserv because: I could



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: incoserv




HuffPo is forcing me to consider supporting Donald Trump!


You can consider it all you want but if you think Trump will get the GOP nomination you are woefully naive.


American politics isn't an election process...it's a selection game played by the MIC and the Corpratacracy.

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

What I call "same bulls**t, different shovel?"



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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Why would you ever allow anyone to force you to do something you don't want to do?

Particularly with something as totally and completely self-controllable as voting?

Reverse manipulation is still manipulation.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:31 AM
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The Huffington Post only wants to report on "news" that supports their agenda or agrees with their view points and doesn't hurt their feelings.

Because of this they are not a valid news source.

A bunch of people who live in a bubble, who put their fingers in their ears and shout "nah nah nah nah" when someone with an opposing view point speaks. Nothing but little children.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: greydaze
Heh,I do like Trumps hijinks.I just can't take him seriously,Imo it's all about self promotion...


And that distinguishes Trump from all the other candidates exactly how?

Can you take any of them seriously? Are any of them ultimately about anything other than self promotion, lining their own pockets and benefiting their supporters and cronies?

Again, you people keep accusing Trump of things that apply to ALL the candidates.

Please, please open your eyes!

What's that they say? Oh, yeah: Deny ignorance!



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: incoserv




HuffPo is forcing me to consider supporting Donald Trump!


You can consider it all you want but if you think Trump will get the GOP nomination you are woefully naive.


American politics isn't an election process...it's a selection game played by the MIC and the Corpratacracy.


I also don't think Trump will get the GOP nomination.

He is too smart for that.

At the last minute he'll go independent after organizing a grass roots movement among
both the Democratic lower classes who live on reality TV,
and the Republicans who do like him.

That is he will do that if he is smart and really wants to win.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Why would you ever allow anyone to force you to do something you don't want to do?

Particularly with something as totally and completely self-controllable as voting?

Reverse manipulation is still manipulation.


A little literally minded there, are we?

Nobody has actually forced me to do anything. I guess I used that word, and by it I meant that their action applied a good kind of pressure that caused me to reevaluate what I was seeing. No one has forced nor will force any decision not action on me.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

Of course he won't get the nomination. Personally I'm convinced that the next "election" is already settled.

Very few people are hearing what I'm saying.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Why would you ever allow anyone to force you to do something you don't want to do?

Particularly with something as totally and completely self-controllable as voting?

Reverse manipulation is still manipulation.


A little literally minded there, are we?


Nope. Not really. Something about noses and one's face.
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: grandmakdw

Of course he won't get the nomination. Personally I'm convinced that the next "election" is already settled.

Very few people are hearing what I'm saying.


Trump does have the opportunity to upset the pre-selected chosen one
by TPTB

Only if he goes independent
Taking with him the lower class Democrats
(an enormous part of the base)
who have seen him on TV
and his image of being
smart, decisive and quite Presidential.

Perception is reality in the minds
of most people. And the perception
among the reality TV crowd is that
of someone who looks and behaves
like a President.

He'll also take with him the Republicans
who supported him.


I actually think he would have a chance
of winning if he took this strategy.
A last minute switch to independent.

In my opinion he would take more votes
from the Dems because of their huge
base of lower and lower lower class
voters who live on TV.


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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: incoserv ... I still don't believe he'd be a good fit for president, but ...


Tell me honestly, EternalSolace, how long has it been since you saw anybody nominated who was a good fit for president?

Maybe since Eisenhower?


JFK imho

And we all know how that turned out.


ETA: There is no one even worth arguing about.
To quote one of the candidates,
"at this point, what difference does it make"

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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

And maybe his rise to recognition is fueled by that "acceptable" Occupy mentality which wasn't so much to "dismantle" our system but rather to improve it and rid it of corporate influence.

This may come as a surprise but not all of us who are discontent with our current situation are looking to destroy our government.

Many of recognize the need for government and we intend to fix it, as opposed to destroying or dismantling it.

It's kinda like the ACA, in that the GOP could have been a lot more productive and helped a lot more people if they had utilized their efforts to fix it instead of wasting time & money voting 500 times to repeal it. Like that was going to happen with Obama in office anyway!

There's a lot of good stuff in the ACA, so why not work out the kinks and build on what's good?

Opposition in itself, (which is pretty much what the Tea Party stands for,) is not a viable political policy and it serves no useful purpose.

You know what they say; "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!"

It looks like Bernie has decided to lead, people are waking up to his message in droves and they're liking what they're hearing.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw


The intelligentsia will remain true to Hillary no matter what.

Totally, completely, and utterly incorrect.

The "intelligentsia" of EVERY color and stripe will remain true to BERNIE.



posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: incoserv




HuffPo is forcing me to consider supporting Donald Trump!


You can consider it all you want but if you think Trump will get the GOP nomination you are woefully naive.


American politics isn't an election process...it's a selection game played by the MIC and the Corpratacracy.


I also don't think Trump will get the GOP nomination.

He is too smart for that.

At the last minute he'll go independent after organizing a grass roots movement among
both the Democratic lower classes who live on reality TV,
and the Republicans who do like him.

That is he will do that if he is smart and really wants to win.


Really? Trump is smart? The guy that goes bankrupt all the time and leaves his creditors holding the bag?

www.forbes.com...

The Democratic lower classes don't vote; they are to busy watching reality TV.

btw...I don't think Trump is serious about his bid for the potus. He's an attention whore just like all clowns.

I do welcome his input into the political process for entertainment value if nothing else. God I miss Sarah!!
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posted on Jul, 18 2015 @ 11:37 AM
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Yes... Sarah Palin was considered a "Breath of Fresh Air" by many, too...

From legendary rocker, Alice Cooper:

"I'll be honest, I go from Democrat to Republican," he said. "I vote for the person, not the party. [As for U.S. Vice President hopeful Sarah Palin], I think she's totally a breath of fresh air. When they say she has no experience, maybe that's what Washington needs. I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. But in a shooting war, I want a pit bull, not a poodle. I'm gonna go for the hawk."


Read more at www.blabbermouth.net...


Perhaps TRUMP is really seeking a job as a Fox News pundit? Then again, I think HE thinks he's the best qualified person in America to be President. That is really what this is about, what TRUMP thinks of TRUMP and how his celebrity is gaining him in these early polls, which Fox News says is THE indicator of who gets to the primary debate stage they are hosting. It's a weird, unprecedented election, for sure!

- AB




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