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Why do people hate Christians?

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posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 01:35 PM
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david blain didn't eat for 44 days, therefore jesus not eating for 40 days and 40 nights is not such a god-like thing to do.




posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by shaunybaby
david blain didn't eat for 44 days, therefore jesus not eating for 40 days and 40 nights is not such a god-like thing to do.


unless david blain is also a man that came from god! he's jesus numba 2!




Why most people hate christianity...

They egotystically believe that their religion is the only possibility, and all those that dont believe in it will be damned.

They insist on forcing others in other cultures to accept their religion, getting their hands into trying to convince primitive tribes that theyre way of life is wrong.

They're stubborn and usually very ignorant to the world

They have caused nothing but trouble in the world (too many crusades)

the list goes on...



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by WolfofWar




Why most people hate christianity...

They egotystically believe that their religion is the only possibility, and all those that dont believe in it will be damned.

They insist on forcing others in other cultures to accept their religion, getting their hands into trying to convince primitive tribes that theyre way of life is wrong.

They're stubborn and usually very ignorant to the world

They have caused nothing but trouble in the world (too many crusades)

the list goes on...


See, generilization again. I'm Christian, none of those points apply to me. Its that simple. I don't say all arabs are #ing terrorists so im sick to #ING DEATH OF PEOPLE AACCUSING ME OF BEING OBNOXIOUS AND TELLING PEOPLE THEYLL BURN IN HELL FOR NOT BEING CHRITIAN. Sorry for the caps but I'm shaking and angry, don't generalize and stereotype becaause it lowers all of us.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by chebob
...don't generalize and stereotype becaause it lowers all of us.


Ahh, but you forget, you're part of one of those groups where it's PC to hate. You know the groups, any majority or group that disagrees with the left, or more accurately with Hollywood.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by WolfofWar

Originally posted by shaunybaby
david blain didn't eat for 44 days, therefore jesus not eating for 40 days and 40 nights is not such a god-like thing to do.


unless david blain is also a man that came from god! he's jesus numba 2!




Why most people hate christianity...

They egotystically believe that their religion is the only possibility, and all those that dont believe in it will be damned.

They insist on forcing others in other cultures to accept their religion, getting their hands into trying to convince primitive tribes that theyre way of life is wrong.

They're stubborn and usually very ignorant to the world

They have caused nothing but trouble in the world (too many crusades)

the list goes on...


That is entirely not true. The true CHURCH does not believe that you have to be catholic to be saved. There are many catholic extremist that are BLINDED BY FAITH and say all theses clamis blaitlyny to make a statment. I'm currently desscerning a Catholic vocation of a becoming a Brother. I know what I'm talking about. There are many catholic teachers that impose this belief. Its a false hood. BUT what we do believe is that if you outright reject God and say NO I DON"T BELIEVE IN YOU YOU ARE NOT REAL and truly believe that then that is cause for you to be judged. As for the radical catholics that say these sthings. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE Has the right to judge another person by saying this will be saved and this won't. As far as we are concerned by doctrin and Dogma we actually believe that NO SOUL except satan is in hell.

I quote from the "Catholic Peoples Encyclopedia; Catholic book of Knowldge"



Hell is the state and the place of the damned-thoes who, dying in unrepented mortal sin, are subjected to eternal punnishment. THe existence of hell is part of Catholic doctrine, defined in several Councils. Our Lord teaches its existince , speaking of "the fire of hell", of the outer darkness where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matt. 8:12), of the total loss of body and soul of thoes condemned to hell (Matt.13:40-42), a fire which is "unquenchable" and "Eternal". Such descriptions can leave no doubt as to the reality of hell as a place of eternal punnishment. THis is the general teaching of the Church which is fully confirmed bt all Christian tradition.

Hell was prepared for the devil and his angles (Matt.25:41). It is the opposite of Heaven. Though the Church has never declared that any person is in hell except the devil and his angles, constant Catholic teaching has always been that there is no alternative for the unrepentant sinner.

God is not unjust to exclude from his presence thoes who die defying him. Even elementary human justice requires that thoes who die thus should not enjoy the reward of virtue. It is true that God's mercy is as infinite as his justice but the unrepentant sinner dies without asking for that mercy; the sinner condems himself or herself to hell.


THe foot note says to also see damnation.
Here is what it defines Damnation as..




Damnation, the state of the damned, thoes condemend to eternal punnishment in Hell. Thoes who die rejecting God, that is, in mortal sin, damn themsleves irrevocably to a state in which their will is fixed in evil for all eternity. There is, therefore no possiblity of repentance, for the damned hat the just God who excludes them from his presence.

No one is predestined to Hell. If anyone condems himself or herself to hell, he does it by his own choice. The unrepentant sinner dies without asking for God's mercy without wich no one can be saved. It is in this sense that he condems himself to Hell.

The church has never declared that any person is actaully in hell-- that is, in the state of damnation-- except the devil and his angels. But its constant preaching is that the unrepentant sinner has nowhere else to go.


So what is all this talk about "Mortal Sin" here you go




Mortal sin is an offence against God by refusing to obey his law in a serious matter. It is called "mortal" becasue its effect upon the soul is to destroy the grace of God. With out this grace the soul is deprived of supernatural life, its sharing in the devine life. A person who dies in this state of grave sin is incapable of seeing God face to face and of enjoying eternal life. Instead he is doomed to everlasting death.

Catholic theologians maintain that , for a sin to be mortal, it must involve and offence which is gravely wrong in itself )for example murder, blasphemy, adultery). It must also be done freely and dliberately-- the sinner must be fully aware of what he or she is doing and must understand the evil of the action. If any one of thoes conditions is not fullfilied then it is not a mortal sin. Even the greatest sinner, however, can obtain God's forgivness by making a sincere act of sorrow.


Even the greatest sinner, however, can obtain God's forgivness by making a sincere act of sorrow. ----- what that is saying is that as long as you are truly sorry for your sin it will be forgiven with or without a preist.

As for the second part of the post about the crusades. Think of the times and teh reasons. You had many people in religous authority who were there solely for power. Just because you obtain a relgious seat does not mean that God picked them. The point of the origonal crisades was to recapture the holy land. The crusades aslo mostly invo,lved christans and muslms. The christans have sence given statments and doctrins of appeal and letters and statemtnst saying they were sorry and we have sense quit. THe catholics have not gone on a relgious purgeing conquest in a long time. Different time different people.



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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okay, let me try to restate this for those who think im attacking the religion of islam. This isn't about Islam being wrong or right, or Christianity being wrong or right, it is about people attacking christianity, and a lot of what it did between 500-2000 years ago. When i bring up Islam it is because of the way some individuals are acting now PRESENTLY and christianity is still getting ripped on. And then when i brought up the Quaran it is because some of the messages can be conveyed as pushing terrorism, not as if is or isn't, or islam is right or wrong, but why do you still attack christianity with all this being known. Its not me attacking Islam, it is me giving an example of another religion and some of it's weaknesses and how christianity is still the only religion picked on. Can you see where i am coming from?

Another thing i want to ask the aethists here...

Do you really believe that no superior being of any form created the universe?



posted on Dec, 29 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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Do you really believe that no superior being of any form created the universe?


No I don't believe that at all, and don't believe I've ever said such
a thing, but what I have said continuously is that the minute the
bible is put into question or alernative views have been offered,
it is deemed an attack.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 12:25 AM
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The tree is known for the fruit it bears
Christianity's history up to this present day is replete with death and dishonor and perversion and perfidy.
Christians engage in war and land grabbing, genocide and distain any who do not follow theircorruption.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.
The church's have used peoples good intentions for evil deeds.
Whats to like



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 04:20 AM
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whats to like is the ACTUAL message conveyed, not the sadistic acts of power hungry individuals. By trying to prove that christianity is bad, you have proven your own point wrong. You showed it was the act of PEOPLE, not deemed right by God. Jesus said love your enemies, he didn't say kill your enemies, or force this upon them and judge them. He said judge not lest ye be judged. There is a difference between christianity the real religion and christianity the way power starved individuals interpret it...



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 04:25 AM
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I think it would be fairly obvious that Americans debate with Christians because they live in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion. If I lived in ancient Greece, I would debate with them on their Gods. Its all apparently relative.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 05:00 AM
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Don't worry Ryanp, I am not attacking you for attacking other religions
. I am just pointing out a double standard in your post. I agree completely with the sentiment of your post: ie. we should respect each others religions (notice I say "should respect" and not "should not question". If we did not question religion, we would still be stuck in the dark ages, paying to absolve our sins, and collecting holy relics for "extra points"). However, you should have left it at "Respect one anothers religion". Instead you said "Don't attack MY religion, attack this OTHER one".
You also said that people did bad things in the name of Christianity long ago, people are doing bad things in the name of Islam now. Later on, you replied to yourself with this. Just replace the word "Christianity" with "Islam":

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
whats to like is the ACTUAL message conveyed, not the sadistic acts of power hungry individuals. By trying to prove that christianity is bad, you have proven your own point wrong. You showed it was the act of PEOPLE, not deemed right by God. Jesus said love your enemies, he didn't say kill your enemies, or force this upon them and judge them. He said judge not lest ye be judged. There is a difference between christianity the real religion and christianity the way power starved individuals interpret it...



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by madhatter
...what I have said continuously is that the minute the
bible is put into question or alernative views have been offered,
it is deemed an attack.


That's not considered an attack. In fact, it's an opportunity. As I've said before, Christianity is an evangelical religion, and as soon as someone brings up the Good Book to be debated, it is (or should be) seen as an opportunity to spread the Gospel. It's a good thing and something that I really enjoy having happen in conversations I'm having.

Conversations are deemed attacks, at least by me, when people calmly or otherwise explain to me that I'm an idiot for believing in something I can't see with my own two eyes...Usually minutes before they're posting on some ghost, unprovable conspiracy, or the aliens who are taking over the world.
And then there's those who, as soon as they see you're a Christian (this may apply to other religions, too, but being a Christian I can only speak for my own experiences of prejudice) some of the most vile sewage spews forth from their mouths or fingers. Just because you believe in something they don't. That's an attack. Debating where they're coming from is not.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake

That's not considered an attack. In fact, it's an opportunity. As I've said before, Christianity is an evangelical religion, and as soon as someone brings up the Good Book to be debated, it is (or should be) seen as an opportunity to spread the Gospel.
Why!? people do not want others constantly pushing their religion down their throats...that's part of the problem that makes people run from your religion! You can't see that!? Ya can't have a decent conversation without someone starting to preach at you and it gets old...if we want to be preached at about a religion we don't follow we would go to your churches...stop shoving it...


Conversations are deemed attacks, at least by me, when people calmly or otherwise explain to me that I'm an idiot for believing in something I can't see with my own two eyes...

Ummm...that's called debate...back and forth, not attacks....too bad you can't have a good debate without trying to preach at everyone!



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
That's not considered an attack. In fact, it's an opportunity. As I've said before, Christianity is an evangelical religion, and as soon as someone brings up the Good Book to be debated, it is (or should be) seen as an opportunity to spread the Gospel.
Why!? people do not want others constantly pushing their religion down their throats...that's part of the problem that makes people run from your religion! You can't see that!? Ya can't have a decent conversation without someone starting to preach at you and it gets old...if we want to be preached at about a religion we don't follow we would go to your churches...stop shoving it...

This is what the main problem is, everyone is seen as a "potential member" meaning, recurit everyone in sight. Its true, you cant have a decent conversation without "my God is better then theres" chat.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 08:52 AM
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Why spread the Gospel? Because that is the Great Commission Jesus Christ put forward to all of his followers 2,000 years ago. To not do so would mean I'm just being superficial and don't really believe or practice what I preach. I know I wouldn't respect myself, and would hope y'all wouldn't respect me much if I was just a luke warm follower.

As for your definition of debate, I doubt you would consider this a debate if my response was "You're an idiot, I can't believe you disagree with me you complete moron! Open your eyes!" -- no information, no reasoning behind why I'd be calling you an idiot, just a few insults and a demand that you agree with me. That's not debate, that's an attack.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by junglejake
I'm just being superficial and don't really believe or practice what I preach. I know I wouldn't respect myself, and would hope y'all wouldn't respect me much if I was just a luke warm follower.


Really!? You don't ever get drunk, do you smoke? Ever look at good looking woman and think..."hmmm" Do you flirted while in a committed relationship, ever look at pornography? Lie about anything...maybe a sick day from work, ever been divorced? As to the preaching......no one want to hear it....it's pointless of you. If one is going to change to their religion, it will not be because someone is preaching at them on an internet BB!



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 09:04 AM
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Basically i am referring to the ones on this board... It seems that the majority of the people on this board tend to want to soley focus in on Christianity to try and destroy it.


1. We don't hate "Christians", we dislike (not hate) the religion itself, and what it espouses.

2. Any religion that focuses on "converting" others to it's beliefs is suspect. Christianity happens to simply be a prime offender in this category, even to the point of only providing aid to the needy after sitting through a sermon/brainwashing session!


3. Any religion that preaches that only IT's followers will be "saved", again has problems. If such a religion is correct, then surely, over half of the world's population would be doomed. What kind of God would allow such a thing? Would such a deity be worthy of worship?

4. Christianity has increasingly tried to encroach on the lives of those who want no part of it. For example, adding "under God" in the pledge, the fact that it says "In God We Trust" on the money in my pocket, etc. If you want to believe in such a thing, fine, go ahead, but don't ram it down my throat...keep it to yourself.

5. Ignorance is often frustrating. Despite overwhelming evidence that the Earth is billions of years old, many Christians still insist that the story of Creation holds true...even to the point of attempted fossil hoaxes to try and show dinos with man, or that giant humans once walked, etc.

6. Christianity has even embarked upon wars against non-believers, despite their mandate (thou shalt not kill), and have tortured and killed those accused of heresy throughout the ages. Of course, they are not alone in this, but again, still guilty of it.

Perhaps the above are just some of the reasons some of us feel this way towards the religion? (not towards it's followers...whom we mostly consider simply duped, many since they were children and indoctrinated with the faith since birth)


The christans have sence given statments and doctrins of appeal and letters and statemtnst saying they were sorry and we have sense quit. THe catholics have not gone on a relgious purgeing conquest in a long time. Different time different people.


I'm assuming then, that you haven't been watching the news lately, as we have been actively engaging upon new Crusades, led by none other than Paladin George, who claims to speak to God and is doing his work...


[edit on 30-12-2004 by Gazrok]



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by junglejake
I'm just being superficial and don't really believe or practice what I preach. I know I wouldn't respect myself, and would hope y'all wouldn't respect me much if I was just a luke warm follower.


Really!? You don't ever get drunk, do you smoke? Ever look at good looking woman and think..."hmmm" Do you flirted while in a committed relationship, ever look at pornography? Lie about anything...maybe a sick day from work, ever been divorced? As to the preaching......no one want to hear it....it's pointless of you. If one is going to change to their religion, it will not be because someone is preaching at them on an internet BB!


I do get drunk. I have smoked. I've looked at women and thought, "hmm", and then some. Looked at porn. I've lied. I make no claims of being faultless. If I were, I wouldn't need Christ. As to the preaching, I don't talk to people about being perfect. I don't talk to people about getting into heaven by their good deeds. I talk to them, if they're interested, about committing your life to Jesus Christ. I have some MAJOR faults. If you're looking for perfection, do not look my way.

No one wants to hear the preaching? I'm impressed you're able to get into the minds of every human who comes to this website and know what they're thinking (See, I'm also very sarcastic, which isn't exactly a good and nice thing). If no one wants to hear it, why does it keep coming up? You must know by now that when something is said against Christianity you will get a contradiction. It's like saying, "listen to my side of the debate, but don't contradict me or argue with me because no one wants to hear your side." Sorry, I'll keep stating my side, and I'll keep answering questions and comments despite the apparent fact the people who are asking the questions don't want to know the answer to the question they're asking.



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
...your fine in my book!


Thank you! ^_^


Originally posted by LadyV
......Like stated above...I just usually seem to meet up with the ones that are judgmental and holier than thou......heck....I have a few of them in my own family!


Doh!



posted on Dec, 30 2004 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by junglejakeI do get drunk. I have smoked. I've looked at women and thought, "hmm", and then some. Looked at porn. I've lied. I make no claims of being faultless.
Your the one that said you followed the religion and you were not one of those lukewarm Christians......

No one wants to hear the preaching? I'm impressed you're able to get into the minds of every human who comes to this website
No..but every non Christian at one point or another that "I" have seen, has complained about being preached at by Christians. We're all willing to debate...there are many many good threads here where we debate....debate stops when someone starts stating that "Christianity is the only true religion, only though Christ will you survive, blaa, blaa, blaa....



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