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Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by Thinker
I suspect the anti- christ will use these secularists, to hunt down future christians in the coming war's. Kepp the propandga up,...christians bad, they burned a few witches and want to reduce your freedom. destroy them teh anti-christ states.
Just a few witches? You're trivialising genocide. So people being persecuted for being pagen isn't that serious to you? Even the pope apologised for the trials.. even if you think the info I provided isn't credible.. surely you can take his word for it.
17,000+ killed in Scotland from 1563 to 1603
70,000 killed in England after 1573
40,000 executed between 1600-1680 in Great Britain
22,000 executed in Bamberg, Germany 1610-1840
30,000 burned by the Inquisition
300+ killed in South Africa between 1986 and 1996
100+ killed in Indonesia, 1998
It is very moral book, the most moral book i've ever read.
Last I read it the old testimant had not changed.. it promotes 'evil'.. but then again everyone has different ideas on what moral means.
I THINK WHAT SECULARS HATE IS THAT CHRISTIANS TRUST IN JESUS. SONE HOW SUB-CONIUSLY THEY ARE ALLIED WITH EVIL.
I'm an athiest/buddhist.. are you saying that I'm subconciously evil?! I thought Jesus said judge not etc?
MAKE UP ALL BASELESS CLAIMS ON HOW CHRISTANITY CAUSES SO MANY WARS. MAKE UP ALL BASELESS CLAIMS ON HOW CHRISTANITY CAUSES SO MANY WARS.
What.. is the term 'holy war' propaganda too?
Whilst on your quest for truth.. I suggest you view the sites with an objective mind.
Originally posted by babloyi
I am sorry, thinker, but you got it wrong. The Arabs were spreading their religion back then, and it caught up in Spain. The rulers accepted it as the religion. There was no violence. Besides, there were not such strict divisions back then. They killed no citizens or women at all. The killing came when the Archbishop sent armies to completely WIPE OUT the muslim villages. I am sure the few muslims who could, put up a fight and "killed many spanish soldiers". About the raping. Well, you got it backwards. Any muslim woman who did not convert was raped.
About setting up "library of koran", like I said, it wasn't only korans. Hundreds of texts on science, math, philosophy were burnt. Society might have been hundreds of years ahead if it hadn't been for those books being burnt.
Let me give you an example of how brutal the spanish church (backed by the queen) was. They first made a treaty allowing the muslims to live in spain. Then they broke their own treaty and killed them off. You know Hernan Cortes? The spaniard who is famous for killing off hundreds of Native Americans? His first missions were in Spain itself, against the muslims.
So, I have basically disproved everything you said. Why don't you learn something, instead of condemning a religion you know nothing about? Where does "the koran teach society to become #ng terrorists"?
Like I said, I am not against Christianity. I am against ignorance. You were showing some very "unchristian behaviour" by displaying your hatred of a group you know nothing about.
[edit on 4/1/05 by babloyi]
Originally posted by JAK
Thinker and babloyi From what I can see there are no Mods online at the moment. If there were however I am sure they would not be grateful for the not so subtle circumnavigation of the censors.
It is interesting to read both of your points, but language such as mentioned only detracts from your posts. Judging from what I read neither of you have any need to do so, you both appear eloquent enough to offer your position without resorting to such measures.
[edit on 4/1/05 by JAK]
Originally posted by Thinker
Well The american government, secularists which you follow,
killed 1.5 million vietnamese in 20 years. Christians not so bad anymore. Secularism bad.
Oh and 1 Million babies are killed every year in abortions, thats mabe up to 26 million now in 26 years.
Oh americanism, secularism, and freedom is so good!!!!. compared to like 100,000 dead witches..
This what i mean about america, when it hates some it attacks it. But it turns a blind to what it has done. 27 Million people killed in 20 years of population control. Then go get 100,000 dead witches. Which were not dumped at the back of the abortion clinics.
remind me of "I know you are but what am I?" playground stuff.
Mabe it's your ignorance not mine.
Originally posted by Azeari of the Radiant Eye
I'd like to declare a moratorium on whiny christian posts. It's getting very tiresome, although like really bad TV I still find myself watching to see if anything interesting develops.
Some people don't agree with you.
Get over it.
We don't to destroy your religion, we just want you to go away.
Originally posted by junglejake
You're perfectly free to go about your business.
Originally posted by junglejake
But you're not disagreeing. You're saying you don't want to destroy the religion, you just want those who practice it to go away. That's not disagreement, that's condescending.
So I wouldn't have any problems if, as a pilot, I wished everyone a merry Christmas when we landed at our airport? I wouldn't have a problem explaining my faith to someone who asks about it in the work place? I wouldn't have a problem expressing my faith if I were a public official or associated with the government at all?
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
I think what you are trying to get across is,
Freedom of Religion is also Freedom from Religion
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Āú You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Āú Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Āú Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Āú Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Āú Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Āú Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Āú Any city that doesnĀft ĀgreceiveĀh the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11