Serious Question: Why are so Many People Afraid/Unaccepting of Transgender People?

a reply to: honested3
I think you will find the many answers in this thread. Its only at page 2 but, its pretty accurate. Besides its our lot in life to think that our problems and issues are as important as the next guy or gal. But really none of them equate to anything but on a personal individual level to the one in question.

However saying all that. Transgender people do like the whole attention thing, and that is only from a few I meet or seen in real life and they do really put it out there. Now I know not all are like that, but experience and all this hupla does make it so in most peoples eyes. I think it was some months ago I went to a friends birthday party at a bar, and there was transgender person there he or she was always rubbing against other dudes and doing there thing, and most of the other people I was with were laughing it off and did not really care. But me I was like OK dude, not because of the dudes gender or anything else, but because I had other # on my mind and would have acted the same no matter who it was.

In all, I I suppose its just a matter of who is receiving it, as there responses would be as varied on any given day as seashells on a beach. Basically there would be many many responses in many situations. And that to is likely a reason why so many like you said transgender people may find themselves in hot water even fatal dead ends. Its likely to lead to some tempered situations in some situations if you know what I mean.

But for the most part, most people just are to busy with there own issues to deal with other peoples issues. And the more pressure is applied to anything the faster that whole thing fractures. You wold likely get better response if you did not try to push the whole thing in there faces or intrude into there lifes and spaces. And yes, it seems people take the whole schooling thing or indoctrination as its known now a days of there kids pretty serious.

I mean I would not know, because I don't have kids and likely wont, but some people take that serious. And that to can be broken down into its many variants of whys? And why nots? But it matters not.... See there it goes again that whole self perspective on things again. I am quite sure it may matter, but off course it does not matter because it does not effect me.

And so. The apple can never understand the orange. But both are forever compared to eachother because that is the only thing it has ever experienced and known. Everything else is just there so we don't go full retard monkey and start throwing poop on at each other because the other guy dresses funny or is this or that different from us.

And lets not forget that whole fear thing, you tend to fear the thing you don't understand. I would link that whole speech from batman begins movie when Bruce Wayne before he becomes batman gets a real awakening that his issues may not be the only issues in the world. But that would be redundant, and I think if people wanted they could go watch that on YouTube themselves.

But I have great faith in people only looking up the things they want to look up or understand. And so its not likely. Which is a shame, because it was a great scene.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: honested3

Don't you use the family restrooms that a lot of places have these days?

There are seldom places like that where I live, I live in a very conservative state so I will just hold it in as I would rather pee myself than have some neanderthal attack me for "god and country."

originally posted by: honested3

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: honested3
a reply to: infolurker

Sure there are some transgender people who are sexual perverts and sex offender, but no more than there are in the church. I mean you are taking the easy way out which is ignorance and making it out like all we want is to prey on others in the bathroom.

OK, stop right there. I said there are perverts who will "impersonate" being transgender for access. You are trying to insinuate that I am saying something entirely different to promote your victim crap.

If we are being honest though, its not us you have to worry about, its people like you that we have to worry about, the supposedly loving and accepting Christians. In fact I would love to have a "transgender" bathroom only to avoid people like yourself.

What does Christianity have to do with a damn thing in my post?

And BTW they tried the Unisex bathroom idea and were sued.

Ok well why even bring it up then? Should I assume anytime a church is being built "Careful now, a Christian could impersonate a pastor so as to be around children." You are asserting a negative connotation to something that would otherwise be unnecessary. And well you are a Christian aren't you? your Hebrew signature says Jesus Elohim something (going off of google translate) and look at your avatar pic. And I mean most people that deny other humans their basic rights are generally Christian so..

Bicycle..... Car ..... done.

The only topic I am addressing is the Women's bathroom / shower room scenario. That is it. I simply do not agree on that and provided reasons why. That is it. Please re-read my post.

Not taking your "Christian Bait" as that has nothing to do with the topic of "biological males using women's bathrooms / showers" and the crazy lawsuits going on over it. You are the one throwing out insults, not I.

Op there trolling you, dont fall for it, its the same annoying poster who force feed us there daily fake outrage about everything, oh and also stop with the name calling op, it wont help your cause.

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Afraid or unaccepting? well, I am sure plenty are. I am not, however I am not comfortable with a person being transgendered either.
Its because its exceptionally unusual, and so limited exposure leads to just unfamiliarity.

I have been around a couple transgendered people before though and my reaction to them was polite, humorous, and respectful..because regardless of their personal choices and desires, they are people in the end, regardless of color, gender, orientation, etc. As people, I accept pretty much everyone...as a transgendered, I dont understand their outlook, views, and desires...but I dont have to either..just respect their rights to do so and be who they want to be with legal equality.

That's pretty much all most of us want. There's nothing wrong with being uncomfortable in unfamiliar situations until they're, well, familiar.

Keep in mind that most transgender folks don't fully understand your outlooks, either. The thought of feeling right in your own body, with the hormones and plumbing you've been dealt, is just as foreign a thought that you get when trying to relate to a dysphoric person. So I get a little bummed when transgender people don't have patience for people who don't "get it". I mean, it's an unusual condition and so little is represented properly through media.

Short of outright support, your sentiments are as good as should realistically be expected. In time, the media portrayal will change and the "bearded lady in a dress" or "Mrs. Doubtfire" won't be the first image people think of when hearing the word "trans".

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Good reply I totally understand what you are saying. I can only speak for myself when I say I absolutely do not like the spotlight, not even a little bit, even in here it stresses me out but you have to see I feel forced to do. I feel forced to stand up for myself and just show people that I am human. Truth is I could never be this vocal in real life no way, yet I would just love to just be myself and exist and not feel like I have to make stands like this so please dont see it as me forcing it down your throat.

People wont gradually learn something outside of their own comfort zone like my parents don't care whatsoever to read the educational pages I have sent them about transgenderism and they dont care. But I am not saying my problems stump others because they dont, I have a very blessed life and my struggle is simply a right to exist as an equal, and if im given the opportunity to enlighten even one mind even online, then I feel I am giving back. I dont know if that makes sense but believe me when I see I rather not be doing all of this but if you were given the strength to carry a burden that others were not positioned to, if even for a insignificant moment, wouldn't you do the same?

a reply to: PeachesNCream

Yes there's been progress, if that's what you mean.

But there's also a backlash against that very progress. The hate is obvious, we see it all the time. The persecution? That's a bit more subtle, most of the time. But not always. Check you local newspapers and all too often you'll see reports of Gays and transgender people being attacked.

...and all too often it's young people doing the attacking.

a reply to: infolurker

What?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I find the argument that homosexual/bisexual/transgender people "push" their sexual orientation down people's throats amusing.

Ever listen to the radio? Watch TV?

We're constantly inundated with heterosexual themes, innuendos and stereotypes. Unless you don't consume any kind of media, you are being exposed to heterosexual lifestyles constantly. The way I see it, sexuality in general is being pushed down everyone's throat -- not just homosexuality/transgender/bisexuality.

I don't care what other people do in their private lives as much as the next guy -- but for some reason it's OK to know about heterosexual people's sex lives but not others?

So a [url]=http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/census-lgbt-demographics-studies/how-many-people-are-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender/]700k[/ url] transgendered persons in the US should cause "inundated with (edit) themes, innuendos and stereotypes."??


The population of the US is 318 mill. buddy. Hell Im bored( and still awake)... Ill do the percents for you. Thats .22 percent of the population is transgendered.


3.5 million americans have autism.
18.5 million KIDS in the US go to bed hungry
13,776,251 people in the US have cancer....
Hell to be honest I care more about the 30k people in the US with cystic fibrosis.


This cause (transgenders united!) is just a frigging low burner cause for me...

You say we are inundated with heterosexual crap... yes.. you are right... because that makes up a full majority of all consumers, and people are out to make money. This reply of yours is so ignorant and so fully wanting star acceptance its laughable.....


so society should be inundated by the preference of .22 percent of the population? really? Hell lets have nothing but transgendered shows and a mandatory transgendered bingo game in the town square each week.


Seriously... I cannot be bothered by the rubbish of what parts a person has and who and how they screw.


If (and I suspect) my neighbor was a transgendered sheep shagger with 8 tits,2 pennies, and 2 horns... I could care less. Because they keep it in their home like I do my crap in mine.

I.Just.Dont.Care


well crap... not able to figure out how to make links.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Im all for behing loud and proud, it makes the close minded awkward.

Why should you care? I lived near San Fran for 12 years and I remember one day I was at a mall and there was a gay pride event. This event consist of a large number of gay people walking around the mall hand in hand to the point of cornering people. Once they did they they went all "loud and proud" and started to make out in front of those they cornered.

I really feel at times there is this "we will make you accept us" kind of attitude and that is wrong, and just will not work. If one of my gay friends did that to me I would feel it would be disrespectful and tell them that, but they would never do that...

I'm 6'5" 280 pounds and in pretty good shape... I'm not going to wear spandex anytime soon and I'm not going to suck my wife's tongue in public any time soon either. I can have good friends that are gay, my next door neighbors are a 40 year gay couple and they are great, but then what they are means little...well unless they feel the need to go all "loud and proud" on me...

Hell I'm a 28 year vet that flies drones.. a lot of people hate me... I do not care...

a reply to: aethertek

always use the phrase "shoved in our face, shoved down our throat".

This tells you something.

a reply to: Legman

My point is, I don't want to be told about ANYONE'S sex life -- straight, gay, or transgender.

I don't know why people can't just shrug and look the other way. I have to do that with heterosexual over-sexualization in the media. I'm straight, but I find it offensive. Do I complain about it? Nope, I just don't let it bother me.

People really need to get their priorities straight. If being offended because someone else has sex differently than they do is a big deal, then they obviously don't have much else in their life to worry about.

Gay Pride Parade? Who cares, shrug your shoulders and go about your business. Being a transgender isn't a communicable disease that people can spread or catch, it's been a part of humanity since pre-history. The Greeks were fairly prolific bisexuals themselves.

There are so many things more important than who someone is attracted to and who they love in the world. People really need to get over their delicate sensitivities and focus on more important things.

a reply to: honested3

I know which thread you are upset about and it isn't about transgender people and it is certainly not about you personally.

It is about schools and government agenda.

ATS Thread

None of us are confused about what a transgender person is, which seems to be what you think, as demonstrated by your post on that thread, and the fact you felt the need to create a thread yourself to explain how unaccepting everyone is. I can't speak for every person out there but I am most definitely not accepting of the current socialist-progressive trend going on - which is what the thread was about.

a reply to: Legman

"The population of the US is 318 mill. buddy. Hell Im bored( and still awake)... Ill do the percents for you. Thats .22 percent of the population is transgendered."

First off "transgendered" is a slur, it is akin to saying "Bob is gayed, or June is lesbianed, or Mary is straghted." But great work on your percentages but you are missing a factor. That is a known consensus and what you fail to understand is that most transgender people when given the oppourtunity will not identify as transgender due to people like yourself. These trans people are called "deep stealth" these are the "passable" trans people. That is another story though.

What I am saying is that there is a far far greater percentage of trans people or at least genderqueer non-binary people that either haven't come out or dont have the educational access to understand who they are due to gender-binary education. It is to say there would be a higher consensus for gay people today than there were a few decades ago simply because it has become more accepted.

Lastly comparing the transgender struggle to the other ones listed is not the same, and at the same time many of the transgender people you so lack compassion for fall in thos categories, its not like all those people starving are heterosexual cisgender people. The transgender struggle isn't quantified as simply as saying "we are hungry, please feed us" and upon feeding it is resolve, it is more like "we want to be considered equal humans and it is free." It is a change of worldview not a tug on your charity purse of which I am sure is so generous.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

We agree in a lot of ways... I never worry about this crap till its in my face.

I should not have lost money on a sale because of a .22 percent of the population gay pride parade.

I think the VAST majority of people in the US are like me... WE DONT CARE WE ARE JUST SICK OF IT.


Go be transgendered... gay.... whatever.

And I think this attitude pisses off the transgendered/gay proud the most. They WANT to be in our faces and special... Like this thread....

,22 percent.

Where is the huge Cancer thread or the Huge Autism thread here? No... their difference must take center stage for them to be "accepted". But the reality, whether right or wrong, is that such a low percent of a population will be an out side outlier no matter. Its sad but true.

originally posted by: seagull
Check you local newspapers and all too often you'll see reports of Gays and transgender people being attacked.

...and all too often it's young people doing the attacking.

I disagree... and BTW welcome to the human race...I do not think they are unique in getting attacked.

The issue is with us older people, young people really do not care...

On my son's football team they have a black guy on the team that wears pink socks. I asked my son about it and he just said, oh he is gay...he said it like who cares... the black guy's nick name is black magic, because he happens to be black and is extremely fast, my sons nick name is Asian, because he is 1/2 Asian. It is nothing to them, but us older people cover our ears and eyes in horror and say nanananana because it is us with the issues...

Well I don't know the answer to your question.

What I'm sick of is this vendetta against Christians and saying all Christians hate you and want you gone from this world. They don't! Maybe there are some extreme Christian people who behave this way but don't lump them all in one basket. It's always LGBT versus Christians. Always. Time and time again I see it written on this site and others. You hate us because you are Christian. Nobody hates you ok?

There are plenty of non Christians who are not ok with it or as you describe the not ok with it people to be. There are Christians who are kind about it as well. Basically there are all kinds of opinions from all walks of life. That's the way it is.

For me I don't care what you do as an individual. The problem is none of you really want to be individuals, you appear to want the label of LGBT. ranting and raving about it all over the place. Look at us, look at me, I am gay I am this I am that. I am never just me.

I can't explain it properly but I know others get the point I'm making here.

We just don't want it crammed down our throats. We want you to just carry on with your life and stfu about it.

By the way I have a gay child. I'm ok with that so don't call me a Christian hater. I love her just as much as my other children if not more and guess what she pays her taxes and has a job just like you.

originally posted by: Ameilia
a reply to: honested3

I know which thread you are upset about and it isn't about transgender people and it is certainly not about you personally.

It is about schools and government agenda.

ATS Thread

None of us are confused about what a transgender person is, which seems to be what you think, as demonstrated by your post on that thread, and the fact you felt the need to create a thread yourself to explain how unaccepting everyone is. I can't speak for every person out there but I am most definitely not accepting of the current socialist-progressive trend going on - which is what the thread was about.

Well gee Amelia I guess you got me all figured out. If you read my posts on that thread I really didn't comment much on education other than my support is for people to be taught tolerance in school for the gender non-binary. I mean the rest of that is arguing over other things. Again I don't have an agenda I just want basic human rights and to be treated equally. Also is it really so wrong to find alot of problematic statements and replies in a thread and rather than replying to each one individually I choose to make a new thread addressing some things?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
People really need to get over their delicate sensitivities and focus on more important things.

The funny part is I find the group with the "delicate sensitivities" typically more common in the gay community with their attitude towards wanting the straight community to agree with all aspects of their lifestyles, and I do not think ANY group has that luxury, but it seems they are the ones who demand it the most.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Are they really, or is that what some in the media would have you/us believe?

I've never sat down and actually studied the issue so I've no idea whether you're right or not...