Freddie Gray's Death Ruled a Homicide; 6 Officers Charged!

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: butcherguy

Maybe, but was it racial?

Doesn't seem to be the case now that the six bad cops mugshots have been shown..

The problem isn't the color of the people involved... it is that they are cops.
They have already been shown to be lying in this case.
They have a real problem with people that do not kowtow to them and will mess you up if you give them crap.

If you even began to understand what police have to go through. Your looking at things from a thugs point of view. yeah the cops are after me again never their fault of course. theyll say well the police do nothing but beat us down simple means he ran and got caught. alot of peoples attitudes towards police depends on the situation they create. If the police stop you had it happen to me even arrested twice i was stupid as a teenager. But i complied they didnt beat me i was booked released went to court and it was done. I didnt blame the officers i screwed up hanging out with the wrong crowd. People blame the police when they are unwilling to shoulder the responsibility. They say things like i was framed the cops lie etc. Police make mistakes alot of them but they learn and eventually rookies learn to be better policeman. there will always be bad ones but very few of them are truly bad. Look at this case a man was put in charge of the van been with the police force along time. he picks up a prisoner to transport to jail. He doesnt strap him in and obviously he was injured. Its his fault bottom line but do you think he intentionally meant to hurt him?

Do you really believe police go to work in the morning going man im going to beat up some people and arrest people because they piss me off? 99 percent of the police officers take the protect and serve very seriously do they become jaded seeing the same things every day most definitely. This is what killed this man do you think this is the first guy this officer arrested claiming he was injured and do you think everytime they go in the hood people arent screaming police brutality. If you have a problem with an officer fine he could be in that 1 percent but to label all police officers like so many like to do is just stupid. Police have a very tough job they have to do what politicians want they have to do what the people need. And they have to deal with literally people others wouldnt want to for fear or depravity.

Look at what the mayor did in Baltimore she gave them room to riot never mind the fact local business and buildings were looted and burned. That politician made a call saying it was ok let them do that could you imagine what the police officers were thinking that actually rode by the scenes and they did. They were hoping just their presence people would leave didnt work instead they got rocks thrown at their cars and and under orders to not stop it. It amazes me anyone even wants to become a police officer now. They get no respect they have to enforce laws often to just have the person get away on technicalities. For every bad guy they take off the streets in inner cities 2 pop up in their place. Caesar R. Goodson Jr the officer driving a van faces 30 yrs in jail for driving a man to jail. This officer has family and friends his entire life was ruined because he didnt strap a man into the vehicle leading to an injury and death. Yet oddly as a society we never accuse he victims its never their fault no why? We expect it from them we know theyll be caught do their time get out do it again. We blame the police because we expect more from them and to be honest we should. However we also need to understand the task we gave them and at least temper or criticisms to the reality of each situation and not try to say is some huge conspiracy were officers are just tryingto take over etc.

Sorry for the rant just find it funny that people dont realize the double standards and the depths of their beliefs. People hate cops because they were arrested or they feel they are the enforcers for the man. Its all bogus excuses for people with little insight or responsibility.

a reply to: dragonridr

If you even began to understand what police have to go through. Your looking at things from a thugs point of view. 

You could not be more wrong.
I have been very close to law enforcement since the age of 5 years.
I am not a thug. I have never been arrested.
I have watched cops break the law many times and have repeatedly listened to accounts by cops of how they violated the civil rights of all different kinds of citizens.

Do you really believe police go to work in the morning going man im going to beat up some people and arrest people because they piss me off? 

Better yet, I have personally known a couple that didn't need to be pissed off beforehand. I got to watch one of them work someone over once.

originally posted by: Neutrality
a reply to: Bedlam

not accurate enough for a trial by law

Then the law is an ass. It can be down to the cm.

a reply to: dragonridr

I like your rant.

You speak from experience.

a reply to: dragonridr

Yes, some cops wake up for that. They are people too. Do you not get that? That is people, especially people given power with impunity in the US. That is the problem. One of my best friends is a cop, and I call him a POS for serving that and not calling out and arresting the corruption. You know what he says? "I can't"


Until every cop is a good cop, there are no good cops. They condone the illegal behavior of their peers for a paycheck. Good on Baltimore for finally getting this # of the street. Seriously? HE WAS CHASED FOR MAKING EYE CONTACT AND RUNNING PER THE COPS STATEMENTS. NO CRIME JUST EYE CONTACT

I found this story today and thought it would be interesting to share from the point of view of the Baltimore police (through the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke)...regarding the State Prosecutor and her charges against the 6 officers.
It's long, but I post a good portion here for review and comment.

CLARKE: FREDDIE GRAY CHARGES ‘DUKE LACROSSE CASE ALL OVER AGAIN’

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke (D) declared the charges brought against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray “George Zimmerman and the Duke Lacrosse case all over again” and said “these cops are political prisoners,” offered up as human sacrifices, thrown like red meat to an angry mob” on Friday’s “Your World with Neil Cavuto” on the Fox News Channel.

Clarke said of the charges, “it’s a miscarriage of justice. This neophyte prosecutor stood up there and made a political statement, Neil, and I say that because she’s chanting or voicing some of the chants from this angry mob. Her job is to tune that out. She said, I hear the voices. She’s not supposed to hear anything as she reviews this case that is not consistent with the rule of law and our system of justice.

Look, I’m an experienced and a veteran homicide detective. I’ve had — I’ve participated in charging conferences. There is no way I have ever gotten a criminal charge within 24 hours after taking over all the reports and evidence to a prosecutor. A prosecutor who is thorough needs several days to sift through hundreds of pages of reports.

They usually want to interview some of the witnesses themselves, in person, and they have to sift through all of the evidence, piece by piece, and they have to wait for some of the forensics evidence to conclude, to come back and that’s why I say on a minimum, three to four days. She just got this case yesterday.

This is political activism. She’ll never prove this beyond a reasonable doubt, and I’m not going to silently stand by and watch my brother officers, offered up as human sacrifices, thrown like red meat to an angry mob, just to appease this angry mob.” And that “she rushed this thing through.”

After his interview was cut off to carry a Fraternal Order of Police press conference live, he continued, “she knows she’s not going to be able to prove these charges beyond a reasonable doubt. This is George Zimmerman and the Duke Lacrosse case all over again. A politically active district attorney or state’s attorney, you can tell the emotion in her voice, she almost did this with glee. And that’s why I believe, like they [the FOP] do…she needs to remove herself from the case.

I hope the state’s attorney general gets involved in this, and sees the error of her ways. The smart thing for her to do is recuse herself and name a special prosecutor.”

www.breitbart.com...

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: butcherguy

Maybe, but was it racial?

Doesn't seem to be the case now that the six bad cops mugshots have been shown..

The problem isn't the color of the people involved... it is that they are cops.
They have already been shown to be lying in this case.
They have a real problem with people that do not kowtow to them and will mess you up if you give them crap.

If you even began to understand what police have to go through. Your looking at things from a thugs point of view. yeah the cops are after me again never their fault of course. theyll say well the police do nothing but beat us down simple means he ran and got caught. alot of peoples attitudes towards police depends on the situation they create. If the police stop you had it happen to me even arrested twice i was stupid as a teenager. But i complied they didnt beat me i was booked released went to court and it was done. I didnt blame the officers i screwed up hanging out with the wrong crowd. People blame the police when they are unwilling to shoulder the responsibility. They say things like i was framed the cops lie etc. Police make mistakes alot of them but they learn and eventually rookies learn to be better policeman. there will always be bad ones but very few of them are truly bad. Look at this case a man was put in charge of the van been with the police force along time. he picks up a prisoner to transport to jail. He doesnt strap him in and obviously he was injured. Its his fault bottom line but do you think he intentionally meant to hurt him?


Sorry for the rant just find it funny that people dont realize the double standards and the depths of their beliefs. People hate cops because they were arrested or they feel they are the enforcers for the man. Its all bogus excuses for people with little insight or responsibility.

So I know you think you are right but you're not. Laughable really.

I was called out to an ally by two beat cops when I was having a beer with some friends in a buddies backyard. I guess they didn't think I was 21. Well 10min later im handcuffed and charged with open container even though I was on private property. The only time it left private property was when the cop took it and emptied it in the alley.

In court I explain myself. The cop acknowledged I was on private property and explained to the magistrate. "Your honor, you know where that bottle was going to end up, smashed in the alley."

.......guilty.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: dragonridr

If you even began to understand what police have to go through. Your looking at things from a thugs point of view. 

You could not be more wrong.
I have been very close to law enforcement since the age of 5 years.
I am not a thug. I have never been arrested.
I have watched cops break the law many times and have repeatedly listened to accounts by cops of how they violated the civil rights of all different kinds of citizens.

Do you really believe police go to work in the morning going man im going to beat up some people and arrest people because they piss me off? 

Better yet, I have personally known a couple that didn't need to be pissed off beforehand. I got to watch one of them work someone over once.

Then why don't you become an investigative journalist and write a book about this endemic problem with policemen.

In what capacity were you closely involved with police since you were five years-old? Would you rather see that there is no Executive or Judicial system in this country?

I believe in the rights of people to redress the government, but reform isn't one sided in this country, it needs to be on all sides. Yes, there are racist cops and yes, there are racist thugs.

Yes, there are violent police officers and yes, thugs are also violent, that's why they are called thugs. But to ask for reform on one side is never going to work, the only real reform comes when we start policing ourselves, our families and our neighborhoods.

End the drug trade by stopping people from using. Stop the violent gun crimes by taking the guns away from criminals. Stop the sex trafficking and prostitution of young children and young women by stopping the pimps and the johns. Stop child porn by stopping those buying the porn. Stop violence.

But here is another case to consider...Tracy Thurman. vs. the City of Torrington.

Tracy Thurman was married to Charles Thurman, he was abusive and she had a restraining order against him, which he violated and the police of Torrington didn't offer her protection, because at that time the prevailing attitude was that men didn't get arrested for rape or beating their wives. He stalked her and then one day he attacked her, beat her severely and then stabbed her 13 times, while those policemen stood and watched. They did not prevent him from doing this. Tracy Thurman almost died and was paralyzed. She sued the City of Torrington, which then led to the Tracy Thurman Law

The Thurman lawsuit brought about sweeping national reform of domestic violence laws, including the "Thurman Law" (aka the Family Violence Prevention and Response Act) instituted in Connecticut in 1986, making domestic violence an automatically arrestable offense, even if the victim does not wish to press charges

The police can't do their jobs effectively if we don't help them. Not all are bad, not all are racist. But in some areas, the uniform means enemy, regardless of the person wearing it.

Here is a video with a speech that I think holds much truth at 21:30, Barney gives his speech.

"You see this badge? It means I am sworn to uphold the law. Now I mean to do just that and you fellows better respect that."

If you don't respect the badge then you don't respect the law. That goes for both sides.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Maybe they should act like cops and not animals and they wouldn't be persecuted. I'm not religious, but john8:32 got it right "the truth shall set you free". You really think think these cops are with a free and clear conscious? I doubt it.

a reply to: Rosinitiate


You were called to an alley by the cops? So the cops didn't enter the private property?

Then the beer was dumped out in the alley by the cops?

Did the cops go on the private property or not? Did you carry the beer to the alley?

a reply to: WarminIndy

I would LOVE to do that myself to be honest. Lets be real though, outside youtube do you think I would get ANY play? Even if I did, do you not think I would be vilified by the MSM? Not to mention dealing with over-aggressive police that at anytime due to stature and position could ruin my reporting if they chose to do so? This is a bastion of freedom to call it like it is. Your one of them or one of us. Bush said it, but the boys in blue have lived it forever. Corruption breeds corruption, and until it's out COMPLETELY I will not trust the police, EVER. Even My best friend an AZ DPS. He can stick it where the sun don't shine for his lack of initiative and willingness to collect a check.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The bolt they are talking so much about, is not on the floor is on the very end of the side of the seat, no way in hell that somebody could fall and twist the head in a way to get that bolt.

It was shown yesterday on TV a police officer from GA in a transportation van and a reporter were explaining the many ways you can be move around in the back of van if not restraining, but what surprised me the most was the location of the bolt, no way, you can hit that thing unless is in an unnatural matter.

Now I can see this happening if you neck is already broken and your head is in an unnatural position for the bolt to leave a mark in the back of the head, but for that to happen your neck position have to be very twisted.

a reply to: Xcathdra

that maybe the case of the origin of the the word, but i'm sure that you do realize that many words have been adopted and used to describe groups of people, person,place or other things due to the similarity of the person, place, or thing. such as the word THUG.

plus as i was taught in school, the first definition is the most common and accepted use of a word.
also if you notice the definitions below they all call a thug a violent person or criminal. first and then refer to them being assassins second.

also i'm pretty sure that "community leaders" were not the ones who coined the term for violent street life, people, and gangs as thugs. gang bangers did. you see reference to them calling themselves that it as far back as the late 80's.
as a matter of fact, tupac shakur is quoted as saying he didn't choose thug life.

“I didn’t choose the thug life, the thug life chose me.” -Tupac Shakur

the free dictionary.

thug Also found in: Legal, Acronyms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia. thug (thŭg) n.
1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
2. also Thug One of a group of professional criminals, devotees of Kali, who robbed and murdered travelers in northern India until the mid-1800s.

Thug, a common criminal, who treats others violently and roughly, often for hire
Thug, proper noun, a member of the former Indian cult Thuggee
THe other Wiki, Thug

oxford dictionaries

Definition of thug in English: noun
1A violent person, especially a criminal. [ Mid 19th century: extension of sense 2] Example sentences Synonyms
2 (Thug) historical A member of a religious organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travelers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s.

webster's

thug noun ˈthəg : a violent criminal
Full Definition of THUG
: a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough
Origin of THUG
Hindi & Urdu ṭhag, literally, thief
First Known Use: 1810

ETA: i forgot to add that when tupac started using the word he did it as a acronym.
CODE OF THUG LIFE

as you can see he didn't do away with violence just limited it's use.

pay attention to #3, rats and snitches #5 in our neighborhoods, # 11 we run it not the not the boys in blue, # 22,23 no shooting at partys, or concerts.

a reply to: WarminIndy

I was responding to a post that tells me that I don't know what I am talking about... I assure you that I do.
Why should I become the investigative journalist... why not you?
I will send you a U2U message to explain my background.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

My husband and I researched on that very word when it became an issue in the media and I can not understand how in the heck it became a derogatory word. Is insane.

I guess as you posted it has developed into a modern word that has nothing to do with its original meaning.

Interesting.

a reply to: marg6043

He/She thinks there is bolts coming from the woodworks like rivets. And people just fly around in the back no question, and when something is said Dad says "want me to pull this car over!" Vasa also assumed that the kids would be able to give themselves spinal injuries as kids banging around, because thats what he/she equated it to.

Apparently we can just shrug it off because driving data (no realtime records for EDR/SDM exist.) They only activate during a crash, or in the SDM, in estimating a crash, which is very good due to sensors being all over the car but NOT recording when not needed. Those sensors only record (from EVERYTHING I've searched, please show me otherwise) pertinent accident and pre-accident data. It doesn't have the capacity or ability to record realtime drivetrain execution, which without that makes it non-sense as NOTHING can predict an accident. However These things are GOOD, as in sensing the accident is coming (20 years ago this was working for airbags)

The SDM is simply a module to increase EDR accuracy and reliability. It still doesn't record real-time data.

ETA - MONITORING data is NOT the same as recording it, SDM MONITORS, not records

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

For as long as I can remember, the word 'Thug' was always used in conjunction with the word 'Union' ; i.e. "They sent over a bunch of Union Thugs to lean on the management."
EXAMPLE (cartoon):
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a reply to: marg6043

see the edit i added.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Now it's a dog whistle for the N word.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So justice only applies to people who suffer an injustice.. Like having your business / place of employment burned down for no reason at all...

I was just making an observation my good member.
In no way do I suggest that I agree with or support
the observation. But it does seem to be a fact.