Wagenknecht: EU policy has destroyed Ukraine and damaged Europe

originally posted by: MensaIT3

originally posted by: defiythelie
I would say Russia's actions in Ukraine in are responsible.

Russia takes Crimea AFTER
US and EU finance coup in Kiev

I am still yet to see any real proof of this. People can spout it till they are blue in the face, only hard proof talks. They has been none at all.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

AND we sure have filled our banks with money and pillaged the countries....NOT

This Thread is not about Russia.

It is about a German politician, NATO, the US and the EU.

Waenknecht is right; war with Russia is not in Germany's best interests.

originally posted by: teapot
This Thread is not about Russia.

It is about a German politician, NATO, the US and the EU.

Waenknecht is right; war with Russia is not in Germany's best interests.

Any thread about Ukraine is a thread about Russia... or do you not read the news?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

They have wanted that port for DECADES and when they saw a weak President THAT'S all it took.
The Ukraine is just an attempt to get more assets and really to probe NATO's resolve without the US having their backs.

originally posted by: Megatronus

originally posted by: MensaIT3

originally posted by: defiythelie
I would say Russia's actions in Ukraine in are responsible.

Russia takes Crimea AFTER
US and EU finance coup in Kiev

I am still yet to see any real proof of this. People can spout it till they are blue in the face, only hard proof talks. They has been none at all.

[...]But the preferred method in more recent years has been the “color revolution,” which operates behind the façade of a “peaceful” popular uprising and international pressure on the targeted leader to show restraint until it’s too late to stop the coup. Despite the restraint, the leader is still accused of gross human rights violations, all the better to justify his removal.

Later, the ousted leader may get an image makeover; instead of a cruel bully, he is ridiculed for not showing sufficient resolve and letting his base of support melt away, as happened with Mohammad Mossadegh in Iran and Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala.

The Ukraine Reality

The reality of what happened in Ukraine was never hard to figure out. George Friedman, the founder of the global intelligence firm Stratfor, called the overthrow of Yanukovych “the most blatant coup in history.” It’s just that the major U.S. news organizations were either complicit in the events or incompetent in describing them to the American people.[...]

consortiumnews

Robert Perry's piece could help to complete the picture. Consortiumnews has done a lot of research on this matter, very interesting stuff.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

The article references the debunked stratfor article.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Xcathdra
This piece from Perry has not been referenced on the first page, but I will continue reading later.
Thanks for the link, but there is definitely more in this article than the Stratfor citation you suggested to be debunked.

Russia takes Crimea AFTER
US and EU finance coup in Kiev

The only flaw I see in this statement, is the implication Russia took the Krim.
The people there wanted to be russian.

Exclusive: In a rare moment of honesty, a Western news outlet, Forbes, admits that the people of Crimea expressed their legitimate will in last year’s referendum when they voted to abandon Ukraine and rejoin Russia, an inconvenient truth for the U.S. State Department and press corps, writes Robert Parry.

consortiumnews.com...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

When a nation sends armed troops into a region and occupies it before any votes, the vote is worthless.

If 5k members of the US military all took a vacation to Russia with their equipment do you really think Russia would accept "they aren't US troops, just vacationers on holiday"?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PublicOpinion

When a nation sends armed troops into a region and occupies it before any votes, the vote is worthless.

So the people in crimea have no part in this, you decide what's best for them? I don't think so, now please read the article.
The people seem to be happy in Russia, don't they?

Let's see what we have here:

A period of relative calm in the anti-government demonstrations in Kiev ended abruptly on 18 February 2014, when protesters and police clashed. At least 82 people were killed over the following few days, including 13 policemen; more than 1,100 people were injured.[41]

en.wikipedia.org...

Massive violence in Kiev on Feb. 18 and then:

On 27 February masked Russian troops without insignias[5] took over the Supreme Council of Crimea,[34][35] which led to the installation of the pro-Russian Aksyonov government in Crimea, the declaration of Crimea's independence and the holding of a disputed, unconstitutional referendum.

en.wikipedia.org...

Little green men in Crimea on Feb. 27.
So yeah, we saw a coup in Kiev bevor any green men stormed Crimea.

a reply to: Xcathdra

When a nation sends armed troops into a region and occupies it before any votes, the vote is worthless.

Does that make the elections in Iraq worthless then?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

You saw a coup in Kyiv. The rest old the world saw a protest movement.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Head of Stratfor, ‘Private CIA’, Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was ‘The Most Blatant Coup in History’

Actually what was said was this...

Russia calls the events of the beginning of the year organized by the US coup. And it really was the most blatant coup in history.

www.kommersant.ru...

You probably should have actually went to the original interview, as your source is telling a blatant lie.

But why does that not surprise me...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

The people there wanted to be russian.

As if they had a choice, as the vote they had didn't give them the choice of staying with Ukraine.

(Reuters) - Sunday's vote in Ukraine's Crimea is being officially billed as a chance for the peninsula's peoples to decide fairly and freely their future - but in fact there is no room on the ballot paper for voting "Nyet" to control by Russia.

The option of asking people if they wish to stick with the status quo - in which Crimea enjoys autonomy but remains part of Ukraine - is not on offer.

www.reuters.com...

consortiumnews.com...

Well according to this many aren't happy and are leaving...

But economic strain caused by Western sanctions, growing pressure on dissent and the departure of skilled professionals suggest not everybody is happy with the past year's events in the peninsula. The UN estimates some 20,000 have chosen to leave.

"The flow has dropped, but people are still leaving because of the deteriorating economic situation, potential conscription into the Russian army and persecution of activists," says Alim Aliev, a co-founder of the CrimeaSOS campaign.

www.bbc.com...

And let's not forget the Tartars that are in Crimea, because they definitely aren't happy being part of the country that deported them from their homeland.

For many, joining Russia brought back memories of Soviet repression, which culminated in their deportation from Crimea amid accusations of collaboration with the Nazis in 1944.
Tens of thousands died while being shipped en masse to Central Asia. Crimean Tatars were only allowed to return home in the 1980s.

www.bbc.com...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Consortiumnews has done a lot of research on this matter, very interesting stuff.

And yet it's one sided, as they have shown many times before concerning anything with Ukraine or the West.

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a reply to: cavtrooper7

Haha, Ukraine STILL doesn't have any of their gold! Where's the gold? (hypothetical question). Which could have helped considering the government is bankrupt and now must live hand to mouth with bailouts from the IMF. Hell, Ukraine can't even pay for it's gas and Russia was letting them slide for awhile.

The Ukraine issue was created by the interference of the American Government aka, outside parties. The corrupt but elected Ukrainian president decided that Russia cut a better deal than the EU and the 'Murica got pissy and toppled the government. The problem is that people don't want to get over it and foolishly believe that 'Murica spreds truth justice and the American way.

Go back to sleep everyone, your elected betters (that constantly lie to our faces) know better than we do. So keep playing with your smart phones and nintendo while we manufacturer the next boogey man.

If people want to see how the government treats it's allies, take a look look at Yemen. Or Pakistan. Or maybe some of the those South American countries that coined the term "Banana Republic".

a reply to: cenpuppie

I think you are a media MK ULTRA victim there.
THIS one is an EU game,THEY want this we are just tagging along.
AS most EVERYTHING OBAMA does is patterned after Veitnam this will be a clone.
Another war F##KED up from the whitehouse JUST like LBJ did it.
AND this time the great RODINA is at fault legally for invading

Maybe you don't know it but money makes the world go around ,not popular politics.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

“Russia calls the events that took place at the beginning of this year a coup d’etat organized by the United States. And it truly was the most blatant coup in history.”

russia-insider.com...

Russia blablas, and it truly was a coup.
Anybody with 2 braincells left knows how to comprehend an "and" in between two half-sentences. Yes you can!

Pretty boring interview anyway, just in case you missed that one as well:
George Friedman, "Europe: Destined for Conflict?"


So... the people had no option and are leaving the Crimea en masse? Well... not really:

The U.S and European Union may want to save Crimeans from themselves. But the Crimeans are happy right where they are.

www.forbes.com...

This poll could be interesting as well:

www.bbg.gov...

Both links are available via the second consortiumnews articel you decided to ignore. Now please catch up with some basic grammar-skills to comprehend given citations correctly and without any bs-assumptions on your behalf.

But why does that not surprise me

Actually... no, it doesn't. But I liked this one the most:

memories of Soviet repression

Now I've had a good laugh. Pretty onesided "information" indeed, very impressive!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

What language was the interview conducted in? Do you have a link to that original version? Or are you relying on a text that has been translated, then back translated?