HIDDEN CAMERA: Gay Wedding Cake At Muslim Bakeries

a reply to: intrepid

Oh, ok...I got it now. So much irony and sarcasm going around I guess I got confused. My bad.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
bakeries been run out of business by receiving thousands of death and arson threats from the LGBT community for following their religious beliefs?
If so, then I'd contribute.

Muslims are not the ones who tried to pass a Religious Freedom bill, which no one is fooled by.

originally posted by: mOjOm
When should we expect to see all the Christian supporters coming to the rescue of these Muslim Baker for upholding their Religious Values???

Here all this time you thought you guys had nothing in common with each other but low and behold you have the same issues with gay weddings as they do. What a happy happy day isn't it. I can't wait to see Muslims and Christians walking hand and hand together after this...

I have been consistently supporting the right of the Muslims throughout this thread, you just "didn't see" (didn't want to see it).

I have no issue with Gay marriage or homosexuals, live and let live.

But I also think it is important to let people with religious values
have the right not to be forced to do something against their values.

I just think the LGBT community is just picking the easiest targets and
condoning through inaction and through not speaking out
the real evil of beheading gays, throwing gays off buildings, lashing gays.
The LGBT through their silence is condoning this type of behavior
while whining about cakes and
pretending cakes are more of an issue
than the killing of gays for just being gay.

Why are libs ignoring the real evil of killing people for being gay
while acting like not baking a cake is worse than killing someone.

There has to be another agenda, because if the libs really cared about
gays and the LGBT community truly cared about the rights of gays,
they would be protesting and trying to wipe out the true
evil of killing people for being gay.

Until the LGBT community, liberals, Democrats,
can stand up for the real evil,
and put as much time and energy to saving gays from real bigotry
crying about little insults makes them look like they
really only care about themselves here in the US -
and let the gays in other countries die, because
they don't affect our lifestyle.
The LGBT community, libs, Dems are saying to all gays in the world,
let us eat our cake, while you die in horrific ways, we don't care
because we are getting our cake.

Hypocrites!

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originally posted by: IAMTAT

Have the Muslim bakeries been run out of business by receiving thousands of death and arson threats from the LGBT community for following their religious beliefs?
If so, then I'd contribute.

Any source for the claims they received thousands of death and arson threats? I've heard rumours of a few but nowhere near that scale. Not saying you're lying just extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I've watched the vid a couple of times now and while it may well be the case, I've yet to hear an owner say they wont make the cake because they're muslim and the person is gay,...they just kind of trail off and mumble without any real reasoning.

One of the guys was willing to do it without a picture so it may be his shop didn't specialise in cakes with pictures on and the customer kept changing demands which makes them a nightmare/unreliable, however I doubt this was the case. Also some Muslims see images of people as idoltary so may refuse on those grounds not just on the sexual orientation.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

I have been consistently supporting the right of the Muslims throughout this thread, you just "didn't see" (didn't want to see it).

Well, good for you for standing by your values then. Even if I disagree with your position personally.

I just think the LGBT community is just picking the easiest targets and
condoning through inaction and through not speaking out
the real evil of beheading gays, throwing gays off buildings, lashing gays.
The LGBT through their silence is condoning this type of behavior
while whining about cakes and
pretending cakes are more of an issue
than the killing of gays for just being gay.

I see what you're saying. Maybe it's because that's not happening here in the US though. Here we don't have people killing gays for being gay, just denying them cakes so that's what they are complaining about. As for the ones not complaining elsewhere, it's probably because they'll get their heads chopped off if they do.

Why are libs ignoring the real evil of killing people for being gay
while acting like not baking a cake is worse than killing someone.

There has to be another agenda, because if the libs really cared about
gays and the LGBT community truly cared about the rights of gays,
they would be protesting and trying to wipe out the true
evil of killing people for being gay.

Until the LGBT community, liberals, Democrats, can stand up for the real evil,
crying about little insults makes them look like they
really only care about themselves here in the US -
and let the gays in other countries die, because
they don't affect our lifestyle.
The LGBT community, libs, Dems are saying to all gays in the world,
let us eat our cake, while you die in horrific ways, we don't care
because we are getting our cake.

Hypocrites!

Well I can't speak for the LGBT community but I don't condone cutting anyone's head off for anything. Not for being Gay or being Christian or whatever. As for how everyone else you'll have to ask them I guess. But if anyone wants to invite me to the news broadcast I'd be happy to tell everyone that I don't support any of it at all. Nobody has asked me yet though.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

But I also think it is important to let people with religious values
have the right not to be forced to do something against their values.

Complete devils advocate here but what if Madrasas and ISIS training camps were able to train freely and plot attacks in the US because they think it's their religious purpose to wage Jihad. There has to be a limit to the law at some point as sadly some people are mentals who take it too far.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Have the Muslim bakeries been run out of business by receiving thousands of death and arson threats from the LGBT community for following their religious beliefs?
If so, then I'd contribute.

Any source for the claims they received thousands of death and arson threats? I've heard rumours of a few but nowhere near that scale. Not saying you're lying just extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I've watched the vid a couple of times now and while it may well be the case, I've yet to hear an owner say they wont make the cake because they're muslim and the person is gay,...they just kind of trail off and mumble without any real reasoning.

One of the guys was willing to do it without a picture so it may be his shop didn't specialise in cakes with pictures on and the customer kept changing demands which makes them a nightmare/unreliable, however I doubt this was the case. Also some Muslims see images of people as idoltary so may refuse on those grounds not just on the sexual orientation.

Here's a recent article:

On Tuesday, the Walkerton, Indiana, restaurant Memories Pizza became an Internet sensation when owners announced they would not cater gay weddings. Restaurant owners said they would serve everyone, including gays, but that did not shield the company from outraged liberals. After receiving a torrent of hate, including death threats and a threat of arson, the company closed, The Hill reported Wednesday.

Business owner Kevin O’Connor said the hatred was so intense that he decided to close until further notice, The Hill added.

www.examiner.com...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Annee

We've NEVER had a situation on this planet where everyone did the right thing because it was the right thing to do. Nice thought, but completely unrealistic.

Of course not. The Idealism that we can all live independently and let everyone do their own thing is insane.

As I've pointed out to Navy Doc - - - that doesn't even work in a family of 5. Different ages, different needs, different wants, different beliefs, different personalities, etc.

Its constant adjusting, re-adjusting, to accommodate everyone and make it fair/equal.

And as I've pointed out back, the state should not be the parent and when the desires and rights of two citizens come into conflict, then they both should be free to go their separate ways without the state forcing one or the other.

Now I understand that many people want a nanny state and want the state to force people to do what they want but that's a bit short sighted because that empowers the state to be able to force you to do what you don't want.

a reply to: grandmakdw

What makes you think LGBT groups aren't saying anything about ISIS?

www.msnbc.com...

But they can't exactly boycott ISIS or protest in front of ISIS headquarters.

originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: IAMTAT

Any business has the right to refuse service to whomever they want. But by singleling out one specific group of people they will lose business both from that group and others who think that they are unempathetic bigots. Especially with so many internet review websites, they will lose reputation. Eventually that business will suffer self imposed consequences, likely regreting that short sided decision.

And that's fine. It's a free market, non-statist solution.

a reply to: mOjOm

i did three times in this thread, including suggesting they get a gofundme too, and even stating that i didn't think picking on them about it, was going to be productive.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Annee

We've NEVER had a situation on this planet where everyone did the right thing because it was the right thing to do. Nice thought, but completely unrealistic.

Of course not. The Idealism that we can all live independently and let everyone do their own thing is insane.

As I've pointed out to Navy Doc - - - that doesn't even work in a family of 5. Different ages, different needs, different wants, different beliefs, different personalities, etc.

Its constant adjusting, re-adjusting, to accommodate everyone and make it fair/equal.

And as I've pointed out back, the state should not be the parent and when the desires and rights of two citizens come into conflict, then they both should be free to go their separate ways without the state forcing one or the other.

Now I understand that many people want a nanny state and want the state to force people to do what they want but that's a bit short sighted because that empowers the state to be able to force you to do what you don't want.

I am not going to continue this with you.

Your idealism is unrealistic - - - except maybe on a small island.

Feel free to rule your own island without rule.

a reply to: Annee

And your statism is unhealthy for a free society. Enjoy the ability to force your will on someone else before someone decidesbto force his will on you.


I was out of this thread until you called me out by name, so drop the "I won't get into it with you" crap.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: Annee

And your statism is unhealthy for a free society.

I'm not Annee but I have a question.... free for who?

Perhaps this is also part of the problem. Maybe this should also be addressed too.

It’s Not Just Uganda: Behind the Christian Right’s Onslaught in Africa

For years now, evangelical activists from the United States have been injecting themselves into African politics, speaking out against homosexuality and cheering on antigay legislation on the continent. The influence of these groups has been well documented in Uganda. The now-defunct Exodus International, for example, sent Don Schmierer, a board member, to Uganda in 2009 to speak at a conference alongside Scott Lively, a pastor who was later sued by a Ugandan gay rights group for his role in promoting human rights violations against LGBTQ people. The two participated in a disturbing antigay conference, where speakers blamed homosexuals for the rise of Nazism and the Rwandan genocide, among other abhorrent acts. Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, a hard-right Christian group that is active in US politics as well, similarly supported antigay laws in Uganda. At the peak of the controversy over the “kill the gays” bill, Perkins praised the Ugandan president for “leading his nation to repentance.”

For all the Good Christians out there this message is for you. Members and Leaders are out doing horrible things in your name. This is part of your image problem here and abroad. Stop these other members of your Faith from tainting the image of who you are.

For all the Not so good Christians out there this message is for you. Maybe you shouldn't be calling on everyone to attack the Evil Muslims or the Evil Gays until you clean up your own act. You look like Hippocrates.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: Annee

And your statism is unhealthy for a free society.

I'm not Annee but I have a question.... free for who?

Free for everyone--not just protected classes, but everyone.

George Orwell was quite prescient when he predicted the "Newspeak" of the socialist utopia--war is peace, etc.

Only in leftist newspeak is the state not forcing someone else to accommodate you "persecution." Only in leftist doublespeak does removing the freedom of choice from somone else make you "equal."

We live in Orwellian times indeed.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: mOjOm

i did three times in this thread, including suggesting they get a gofundme too, and even stating that i didn't think picking on them about it, was going to be productive.

Ok, good for you too then.

Again, for standing by your principles, even if I disagree with them.

I wasn't trying to blame anyone here personally or anything. So everyone doesn't exactly have to report back to me on what they've personally done FYI. But you can if you choose to. I'm just sayin...

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: Annee

And your statism is unhealthy for a free society.

I'm not Annee but I have a question.... free for who?

Free for everyone--not just protected classes, but everyone.

"Everyone" isn't covered by some. That would be "regressives". They don't want freedom. They want freedom their way. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. As you said freedom for EVERYONE.

George Orwell was quite prescient when he predicted the "Newspeak" of the socialist utopia--war is peace, etc.

Only in leftist newspeak is the state not forcing someone else to accommodate you "persecution." Only in leftist doublespeak does removing the freedom of choice from somone else make you "equal."

We live in Orwellian times indeed.

"Regressive" thinking. IDK why but it takes damn near a serious surgical procedure to get these people into the now. Seriously, the 50's have been done since the 70's.

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