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The Real Next Level BS of the Vaccine Controversy.

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posted on Mar, 7 2015 @ 03:45 AM
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The allegations to which Mr. Deer alludes appear in a biosolids industry white paper distributed by an EPA employee in 2001. The company later converted its white paper into a petition to investigate scientific misconduct and submitted it to the University of Georgia (UGA) where Dr. Lewis was temporarily assigned as a visiting
scientist. The following timeline summarizes the subsequent course of events at EPA and UGA.

.March 4, 2003 Assistant General Counsel David P. Guerrero of the EPA Offce of General Counsel informed the U.S. Department of Labor, Office of Administrative Law Judges in writing that none of the company's allegations had
any basis in any facts, and did not represent EPA
's views. (Copy attched.) Based on the results of an investigation by EPA's Inspector General, the EPA employee who distributed the company's false allegations was officially reprimanded. He subsequently apologized to the Court, explaining that he did not read the white paper before forwarding it to others.

.April 8, 2003 UGA forwarded the company's misconduct petition to Dr. Lewis's local EPA laboratory for processing consistent with EPA misconduct policies governing its employees.

.April 22, 2003 Frank Stancil, Chief of the Ecosystems Assessment Branch where Dr. Lewis was assigned, reported the results of an internal investigation concerning the company's allegations and concluded "there is no basis to warrant investigation of Dr. Lewis for research misconduct." (Copy attached.)

.December 10, 2004 The company formally withdrew its misconduct petition from UGA.

On May 28, 2003, EPA Headquarters processed Dr. Lewis's retirement before he could fulfill the terms of an Intergovernmental Personnel Act (lPA) appointment he had at UGA, which required that he work an amount of
time at EPA equivalent to his time spent at UGA, This action, which was based on EPA
's interpretation of a settlement agreement in one of Dr. Lewis's whistleblower cases, was taken by EPA Headquarters officials as part of its ongoing retaliation for two articles Dr. Lewis published in Nature, which were critical of some of EPA's science policies. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the scientific misconduct petition filed by the biosolids company, which was rejected by EPA and subsequently withdrawn by the company from UGA.

Mr. Deer's claims that EPA fired Dr. Lewis over unresolved allegations of research misconduct are fabricated, defamatory and malicious. They have no basis on any facts, are completely without merit, and stand to cause irreparable harm to Dr. Lewis' reputation.
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www.rescuepost.com...

That was not the end of Brian Deer defamation against other scientists which were untrue, and even the BMJ was complicit in many false allegations, and misrepresentations of what co-authors of Wakefield actually have said. Some of Wakefield's co-author responded to the BMJ about the misrepresentation and false claims made by Brian Deer and BMJ.



Feature Secrets of the MMR scare
How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed
BMJ 2011; 342 doi: dx.doi.org... (Published 06 January 2011) Cite this as: BMJ 2011;342:c5347


Re: How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed

Fiona Godlee fails to cite relevant letters to the BMJ from Andrew Wakefield's co-authors, Susan E Davies [1] and Amar P Dhillon [2], the latter notably in response to recent allegations made by herself, by Brian Deer, and Profs Geboes [3] and Bjarnason [4]. Geboes and Bjarnason have also never responded to Dhillon's letter, which took respectful issue with their claims.

Further confusion relates to remarks made Godlee, Deer and Bjarnason in a Nature report, following David Lewis's accusations in November [5].

'But he[ [Bjarnason] says that the forms don't clearly support charges that Wakefield deliberately misinterpreted the records. "The data are subjective. It's different to say it's deliberate falsification," he says...Deer notes that he never accused Wakefield of fraud over his interpretation of pathology records...Fiona Godlee, the editor of the BMJ, says that the journal's conclusion of fraud was not based on the pathology but on a number of discrepancies between the children's records and the claims in the Lancet paper...'

But above all it is impossible to see how Wakefield could be singly guilty of fraud when his co-authors apparently stand by the published findings.

www.bmj.com...

www.bmj.com...
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www.bmj.com...

In fact, here is one of the responses from one of Wakefield's co-authors to the BMJ claims and those of Brian Deer.



Feature Autism Research
Wakefield’s “autistic enterocolitis” under the microscope
BMJ 2010; 340 doi: dx.doi.org... (Published 15 April 2010) Cite this as: BMJ 2010;340:c1127

Caution in assessing histopathological opinions.

As one of the pathologists in question, I wish to respond to some of the issues raised in the recent article by Brian Deer(1), and accompanying editorial by Nick Wright(2), on the histopathological aspects of autistic enterocolitis. There is some misrepresentation of my involvement and lack of understanding of the process in studies involving histopathology.

Firstly, at the time in question I was working solely for the NHS and acted as the key pathologist for the clinical gastroenterology paediatric team. I was not the lead pathologist for this, or any other Wakefield project.
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As to the severity of any pathology, there was a gradual awareness by those attending the regular clinicopathological conferences that we were identifying subtle changes in some of the mucosal biopsies from autistic children.Subtle does not always indicate insignificant: the focal features of cow’s milk protein enteropathy may be misinterpreted as normal; the hidden pathogen in immunodeficient syndromes is identified only by close scrutiny; the presence of Helicobacter pylori in gastric biopsies was previously not recorded, as they were considered insignificant.
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Without going into extensive detailed histopathological description, there does appear to be some confusion within the discussion of these cases. It should be appreciated that the term colitis covers a range of changes from minimal, self-limiting and non-specific, to extensive, severe and characteristic; as such it is difficult to select a point from within a spectrum for a single definition. Reference was made to focal active colitis(4), although later it is stated that minor changes are not to be called colitis. In personal practice, as evidenced at the GMC hearing, I had a different threshold from the other co-authors who performed the review and translated those findings into words.
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www.bmj.com...




posted on Mar, 7 2015 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

They're technicalities which weren't the crux of the case and just added to his overall sanctions.


I find it very convenient when you want to continuously ignore and dismiss the conflict of interests of the GMC hearing council because they were tied with vaccine manufacturing companies which had provided the vaccines used in these children among others. Not to mention that many of those involved did not declare this conflict of interest.

We know as a matter of fact that Dr. Horton was LYING because he is not an idiot. If he and the admins of the Free Royal saw the check, which they would have seen it, it would have shown that Dawbarns and litigators were paying the bill.

Then we have the fact that even Brian Deer did not disclose as to who was paying him. During the 160 day hearings the Sunday Times were not paying him to attend the hearings. So someone else must have been paying him. Not to mention the many LIES he was caught in.

The investigation into Wakefield had been one of the most intensive in over 50 years on any doctor.

Even in the book, MMR Science and Fiction: Exploring the Vaccine Crisis, which Dr. Horton authored he explained how health authorities had no idea where to begin, or how to resolve the "confusion".



Lots of supposition and conspiracy, no hard FACTS.

I find it very convenient that you consistently ignore the main issue.
That issue is the FACT of Wakefield's abuse of the disabled children in his pursuit of his fabled Transfer Factor.
That and that alone was more than enough to get him struck off.



posted on Mar, 7 2015 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

They're technicalities which weren't the crux of the case and just added to his overall sanctions.


I find it very convenient when you want to continuously ignore and dismiss the conflict of interests of the GMC hearing council because they were tied with vaccine manufacturing companies which had provided the vaccines used in these children among others. Not to mention that many of those involved did not declare this conflict of interest.

We know as a matter of fact that Dr. Horton was LYING because he is not an idiot. If he and the admins of the Free Royal saw the check, which they would have seen it, it would have shown that Dawbarns and litigators were paying the bill.

Then we have the fact that even Brian Deer did not disclose as to who was paying him. During the 160 day hearings the Sunday Times were not paying him to attend the hearings. So someone else must have been paying him. Not to mention the many LIES he was caught in.

The investigation into Wakefield had been one of the most intensive in over 50 years on any doctor.

Even in the book, MMR Science and Fiction: Exploring the Vaccine Crisis, which Dr. Horton authored he explained how health authorities had no idea where to begin, or how to resolve the "confusion".



‘…Indeed, the GMC seemed non-plussed by Reid's intervention. The best their spokeswoman could say was: 'We are concerned by these allegations and will be looking at what action, if any, may be necessary.' In truth, they had not a clue where to begin. At a dinner I attended on 23 February, one medical regulator and I discussed the Wakefield case. He seemed unsure of how the Council could play a useful part in resolving the confusion. As we talked over coffee while the other dinner guests were departing, he scribbled down some possible lines of investigation, and passed me his card, suggesting that I contact him directly if anything sprang to mind. He seemed keen to pursue Wakefield, especially given ministerial interest. Here was professionally led regulation of doctors in action - notes exchanged over liqueurs in a beautifully wood-panelled room of one of medicine's most venerable institutions…’ (Horton p.7-8) (1)
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www.whale.to...

A very interesting fact is that Dr. Horton was editor-in-chief of the Lancet. The same newspaper which had many links to MMR vaccine manufacturers, including Sir Crispin Davis, who was appointed a non-executive director of drugs multinational Glaxo Smith Kline in 2003, and who was an editor of the Lancet, and the line editor of Brian Deer, the independent journalist who also made many false claims about himself and lied.

Heck, there were other facts that surfaced relating to one editor of the Lancet, and his brother, a judge who had rejected an appeal by MMR vaccine litigants.


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Sir Nigel Davis was the judge who, three years ago, rejected an appeal by MMR vaccine litigants against the decision not to award funding for their legal campaign.

But he failed to mention his interests in the subject.

Now, complaints against him are being filed to the Office for Judicial Complaints, which investigates allegations of any questionable conduct by judges, coroners and magistrates.

Davis's brother, Sir Crispin Davis, was appointed a non-executive director of drugs multinational Glaxo Smith Kline in 2003, a year before the appeal came to court. Asked why Sir Nigel did not declare this, his spokesman said: "The possibility of any conflict of interest arising from his brother's position did not occur to him."

But Sir Crispin's potential links with MMR vaccines goes back longer than that, as since 1999 he had been CEO of Reed Elsevier, the publishing company which owns The Lancet magazine.
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www.tmcnet.com...



originally posted by: Pardon?
The main points were that Wakefield HIMSELF did not declare any monies paid to him in respect of the legal case on submission of the study.

That is proven.


Already proved that is false. There is no way that Horton, and the admin at Royal Free didn't know when the check that was at the trustee fund at the Free Royal was signed by the Dawbarn lawyers. Not to mention that for a long time Barr, one of the Dawbarn lawyers, had been exchanging emails with Dr. Horton, and Barr had mentioned that Wakefield was going to work with them.

Here you go.





www.whale.to...

But Dr. Horton claimed he didn't know.


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Richard Horton
False Testimony Before the GMC Richard Horton has been Editor of the UK Lancet since 1995. As editor, he has overall responsibility for everything that is published in the Lancet. He was well aware of Wakefield’s involvement in the MMR litigation a year before publication of the Lancet Case Series. Although Horton insisted that several measures be taken during editorial review to guard against misinterpretation of the findings reported in the limited case series, he found it unnecessary to require disclosure of Wakefield’s participation in the MMR litigation, which was widely known by the public and to vaccine regulators, at the end of the Lancet Case Series as a possible conflict of interest.

He was reminded again of the Wakefield-MMR litigation connection in a letter titled “litigation bias” (Rouse letter) sent just two working days after publication of the Case Series. Ex. 15. Dr. Horton published the Rouse letter and Dr. Wakefield’s reply but deleted Rouse’s reference to “litigation bias” and Rouse’s “black box” rendition of Wakefield’s participation in the MMR litigation. The deletion of the critical details of Wakefield’s involvement in the MMR litigation before publishing the Rouse letter in the Lancet enabled Horton to conceal his and the Lancet’s prior knowledge of these facts. Ex.

When Brian Deer made his allegations against Dr. Wakefield in 2004, Horton feigned ignorance, claiming that he first learned of Wakefield’s “prospective” involvement in the MMR litigation from Dr. Wakefield’s response to the Rouse letter published in the Lancet on May 2, 1998 (Ex. 16). Added to this clear evidence of abuse of his position both as an editor and a registered medical practitioner, Dr. Horton has publicly taken credit for engineering the GMC proceedings against Dr. Wakefield, Professor Murch, and Professor Walker-Smith.
He gave false testimony to GMC investigators and at the FTP hearing concerning his prior knowledge of Wakefield’s participation in the MMR litigation.

Dr. Horton’s Knowledge of Wakefield’s Participation in the MMR Litigation Prior to Publication of the Lancet Case Series.


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www.rescuepost.com...


I posted the direct link to the patent archives and you post some spurious jpegs with no exif data.
Hmmm.



posted on Mar, 7 2015 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

It's conjecture as none of the subjects had aseptic meningitis and they were already in a legal case against the makers of the MMR vaccine.
The Urabe issue has been added to lend credence to Wakefield a long time after the case was decided..

And they went against Wakefield so relentlessly because he was a fraud.
A fraud who abused disabled children.



It's not conjecture. The UK government gave the green light to use the cheaper version of the MMR vaccine containing the Urabe strain from 1988-1992, at the time that at least half of the children from the Lancet study were of age to receive this vaccine. The 1998 study did not find signs of aseptic meningitis because with time these children had been seeing regular doctors over the years, and they could have been very well treated with antivirals, or antibiotics (which will not cure it but will help treat the bacterial meningitis), or antifungals. Remember that many of these children had intestine problems as well, and they had been treated for years by other doctors which could have believed the children symptoms were caused by a virus.

Mumps and Measles are among the viruses that can cause aseptic meningitis, alongside influenza viruses, herpes viruses, arboviruses, or LCM (Lymphocytic choriomeningitis).

In case you didn't know aseptic meningitis can even be cured on it's own with time as well, but there are cases in which it leaves after effects that can be permanent.



Aseptic Meningitis

Written by Marissa Selner | Published on August 7, 2012
Medically Reviewed by Brenda B. Spriggs, MD, MPH, FACP on August 7, 2012
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Treatment options depend on the specific cause of your meningitis. Many cases of viral meningitis are cured on their own within one to two weeks. You will be instructed to rest, stay hydrated, and use over-the-counter medications. Analgesics and/or anti-inflammatory medications may be recommended for pain and fever control.
...
Recovery and Long-Term Outlook

Less than 1 percent of patients with aseptic meningitis end up with a lasting illness. The majority of cases resolve within one to two weeks after the onset of symptoms.

In very rare cases, aseptic meningitis can lead to brain infections. Complications are more likely to occur if you do not seek treatment for your condition, or if you have an underlying condition that weakens your immune system.
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www.healthline.com...

Other after effects that people can have even after aseptic meningitis has been cured.


After effects

Most people who get meningitis and septicaemia survive, often without any after effects, but sometimes these diseases cause a range of disabilities and problems that can alter people's lives.

After effects may be temporary or permanent, physical or emotional.

Relatives and friends may also feel the need for information, because the person who is recovering often needs a great deal of support.

Getting over meningitis or septicaemia can make major demands on people. Fortunately, many problems improve and disappear over time.

After effects of meningitis

Memory loss / difficulty retaining information / lack of concentration
Clumsiness / co-ordination problems
Residual headaches
Deafness / hearing problems / tinnitus / dizziness, loss of balance
Learning difficulties (ranging from temporary learning deficiencies to long term mental impairment)
Epilepsy / seizures (fits)
Weakness, paralysis or spasms of part of body (if permanent, sometimes called cerebral palsy)
Speech problems
Loss of sight/changes in sight

www.meningitis.org...

Is it out of the question that at least some of the children had aseptic meningitis? How can you say it is out of the question, when it is a known fact that the Urab strain of the MMR vaccine used in the UK from 1988-1992 were very probably used in some of the children from the Lancet 12 study, and these children had symptoms similar to the after effects of aseptic meningitis?

Aseptic meningitis can cause inflammation of the lining of the brain, and the underlying symptoms that can cause the inflammation of the brain can also cause intestinal illness.



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Most viral meningitis is due to enteroviruses, which are viruses that also can cause intestinal illness.

Many other types of viruses can cause meningitis.

Viral meningitis can be caused by herpes viruses, the same virus that can cause cold sores and genital herpes . However, people with cold sores or genital herpes are not at a greater risk of developing herpes meningitis.
Viruses that cause mumps and HIV can cause aseptic meningitis.
Recently, West Nile virus, spread by mosquito bites, has become a cause of viral meningitis in most of the United States.
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www.nlm.nih.gov...

The children could very well have been cured of the meningitis, but still have permanent effects that impaired them.


The study below was performed in 1993, several years prior to Wakefield's fraudulent one.
The issue was well known and as I said, has been thrown into the mix by the Wakefield apologists.
Why haven't the authors of this all been "pursued by thugs" and struck off?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 03:59 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Dear me.
The study you originally cited showed that there was MMR virus present.
It did not say it was the cause of anything did it?
The subsequent study showed no causation.
That's why it supersedes it, not because it was done later.

Even though you've quoted the article twice, you've posted nothing backing it up and the writer, a quite prolific writer, has never backed nor followed the piece up.
I keep on seeing this "several further independent studies have confirmed the association of the syndrome of regressive autism with chronic bowel disorder that was originally described by Andrew Wakefield." trop but I never see the studies.
Why is this?
Is it because they don't exist or that they don't actually say what you think they do?
Possibly both.


Wow... I find it convenient how you claim there is no evidence for that link yet you do not excerpt the other studies i posted which show this direct link...

It's kind of ironic how on the other thread dealing with this same topic, you, and some other members accused me of posting too much information... You actually said "you keep posting walls, and walls of research papers but that doesn't prove anything"... Now you dismiss the samples of research papers I post corroborating my point... Then of course, you make up another false claim that "why Wakefield didn't post any subsequent research showing this link"?...

In fact there are so many research papers which refutes your claims, and shows a direct correlation between autism and bowel illnesses that it would take several pages in a thread to post them all...

It is more and more obvious that all you are doing is derailing the topic, and ignoring and dismissing anything, and everything that proves you Brian Deer, I mean Pardon? wrong...

Here is one of the studies in which Wakefield, among other doctors, investigated the gut-brain link.


J Clin Immunol. 2003 Nov;23(6):504-17.
Intestinal lymphocyte populations in children with regressive autism: evidence for extensive mucosal immunopathology.
Ashwood P1, Anthony A, Pellicer AA, Torrente F, Walker-Smith JA, Wakefield AJ.
Author information

1The Inflammatory Bowel Disease Study Group, and Centre for Paediatric Gastroenterology, Royal Free and University College, Medical School, London, United Kingdom. pashwood@ucdavis.edu

Abstract

Inflammatory intestinal pathology has been reported in children with regressive autism (affected children). Detailed analysis of intestinal biopsies in these children indicates a novel lymphocytic enterocolitis with autoimmune features; however, links with cognitive function remain unclear. To characterize further, the nature and extent of this disease we examined the mucosal infiltrate using flow cytometry. Duodenal, ileal, and colonic biopsies were obtained from 52 affected children, 25 histologically normal, and 54 histologically inflamed, developmentally normal controls. Epithelial and lamina propria lymphocyte populations were isolated and examined by multicolor flow cytometry. Adjacent biopsies were assessed by semiquantitative histopathology. At all sites, CD3(+) and CD3(+)CD8(+) IEL as well as CD3(+) LPL were significantly increased in affected children compared with developmentally normal noninflamed control groups reaching levels similar to inflamed controls. In addition, two populations--CD3(+)CD4(+) IEL and LP CD19(+) B cells--were significantly increased in affected children compared with both noninflamed and inflamed control groups including IBD, at all sites examined. Histologically there was a prominent mucosal eosinophil infiltrate in affected children that was significantly lower in those on a gluten- and casein-free diet, although lymphocyte populations were not influenced by diet. The data provide further evidence of a pan-enteric mucosal immunopathology in children with regressive autism that is apparently distinct from other inflammatory bowel diseases.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

There are many other research into this link, and the link to vaccines that Wakefield and other doctors did before, and after the 1998 Lancet...


Identification of Unique Gene Expression Profile in Children with Regressive Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and Ileocolitis

Stephen J. Walker, John Fortunato, Lenny G. Gonzalez, Arthur Krigsman

PLOS
Published: March 8, 2013
DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0058058

Abstract

Gastrointestinal symptoms are common in children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and are often associated with mucosal inflammatory infiltrates of the small and large intestine. Although distinct histologic and immunohistochemical properties of this inflammatory infiltrate have been previously described in this ASDGI group, molecular characterization of these lesions has not been reported. In this study we utilize transcriptome profiling of gastrointestinal mucosal biopsy tissue from ASDGI children and three non-ASD control groups (Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, and histologically normal) in an effort to determine if there is a gene expression profile unique to the ASDGI group. Comparison of differentially expressed transcripts between the groups demonstrated that non-pathologic (normal) tissue segregated almost completely from inflamed tissue in all cases. Gene expression profiles in intestinal biopsy tissue from patients with Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, and ASDGI, while having significant overlap with each other, also showed distinctive features for each group. Taken together, these results demonstrate that ASDGI children have a gastrointestinal mucosal molecular profile that overlaps significantly with known inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), yet has distinctive features that further supports the presence of an ASD-associated IBD variant, or, alternatively, a prodromal phase of typical inflammatory bowel disease. Although we report qPCR confirmation of representative differentially expressed transcripts determined initially by microarray, these findings may be considered preliminary to the extent that they require further confirmation in a validation cohort.

journals.plos.org.../journal.pone.0058058



edit on 8-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

Dear me.
The study you originally cited showed that there was MMR virus present.
It did not say it was the cause of anything did it?
The subsequent study showed no causation.
That's why it supersedes it, not because it was done later.

Even though you've quoted the article twice, you've posted nothing backing it up and the writer, a quite prolific writer, has never backed nor followed the piece up.
I keep on seeing this "several further independent studies have confirmed the association of the syndrome of regressive autism with chronic bowel disorder that was originally described by Andrew Wakefield." trop but I never see the studies.
Why is this?
Is it because they don't exist or that they don't actually say what you think they do?
Possibly both.


Wow... I find it convenient how you claim there is no evidence for that link yet you do not excerpt the other studies i posted which show this direct link...

It's kind of ironic how on the other thread dealing with this same topic, you, and some other members accused me of posting too much information... You actually said "you keep posting walls, and walls of research papers but that doesn't prove anything"... Now you dismiss the samples of research papers I post corroborating my point... Then of course, you make up another false claim that "why Wakefield didn't post any subsequent research showing this link"?...

In fact there are so many research papers which refutes your claims, and shows a direct correlation between autism and bowel illnesses that it would take several pages in a thread to post them all...

It is more and more obvious that all you are doing is derailing the topic, and ignoring and dismissing anything, and everything that proves you Brian Deer, I mean Pardon? wrong...

Here is one of the studies in which Wakefield, among other doctors, investigated the gut-brain link.


J Clin Immunol. 2003 Nov;23(6):504-17.
Intestinal lymphocyte populations in children with regressive autism: evidence for extensive mucosal immunopathology.
Ashwood P1, Anthony A, Pellicer AA, Torrente F, Walker-Smith JA, Wakefield AJ.
Author information

1The Inflammatory Bowel Disease Study Group, and Centre for Paediatric Gastroenterology, Royal Free and University College, Medical School, London, United Kingdom. pashwood@ucdavis.edu

Abstract

Inflammatory intestinal pathology has been reported in children with regressive autism (affected children). Detailed analysis of intestinal biopsies in these children indicates a novel lymphocytic enterocolitis with autoimmune features; however, links with cognitive function remain unclear. To characterize further, the nature and extent of this disease we examined the mucosal infiltrate using flow cytometry. Duodenal, ileal, and colonic biopsies were obtained from 52 affected children, 25 histologically normal, and 54 histologically inflamed, developmentally normal controls. Epithelial and lamina propria lymphocyte populations were isolated and examined by multicolor flow cytometry. Adjacent biopsies were assessed by semiquantitative histopathology. At all sites, CD3(+) and CD3(+)CD8(+) IEL as well as CD3(+) LPL were significantly increased in affected children compared with developmentally normal noninflamed control groups reaching levels similar to inflamed controls. In addition, two populations--CD3(+)CD4(+) IEL and LP CD19(+) B cells--were significantly increased in affected children compared with both noninflamed and inflamed control groups including IBD, at all sites examined. Histologically there was a prominent mucosal eosinophil infiltrate in affected children that was significantly lower in those on a gluten- and casein-free diet, although lymphocyte populations were not influenced by diet. The data provide further evidence of a pan-enteric mucosal immunopathology in children with regressive autism that is apparently distinct from other inflammatory bowel diseases.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

There are many other research into this link, and the link to vaccines that Wakefield and other doctors did before, and after the 1998 Lancet...


Identification of Unique Gene Expression Profile in Children with Regressive Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and Ileocolitis

Stephen J. Walker, John Fortunato, Lenny G. Gonzalez, Arthur Krigsman

PLOS
Published: March 8, 2013
DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0058058

Abstract

Gastrointestinal symptoms are common in children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and are often associated with mucosal inflammatory infiltrates of the small and large intestine. Although distinct histologic and immunohistochemical properties of this inflammatory infiltrate have been previously described in this ASDGI group, molecular characterization of these lesions has not been reported. In this study we utilize transcriptome profiling of gastrointestinal mucosal biopsy tissue from ASDGI children and three non-ASD control groups (Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, and histologically normal) in an effort to determine if there is a gene expression profile unique to the ASDGI group. Comparison of differentially expressed transcripts between the groups demonstrated that non-pathologic (normal) tissue segregated almost completely from inflamed tissue in all cases. Gene expression profiles in intestinal biopsy tissue from patients with Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, and ASDGI, while having significant overlap with each other, also showed distinctive features for each group. Taken together, these results demonstrate that ASDGI children have a gastrointestinal mucosal molecular profile that overlaps significantly with known inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), yet has distinctive features that further supports the presence of an ASD-associated IBD variant, or, alternatively, a prodromal phase of typical inflammatory bowel disease. Although we report qPCR confirmation of representative differentially expressed transcripts determined initially by microarray, these findings may be considered preliminary to the extent that they require further confirmation in a validation cohort.

journals.plos.org.../journal.pone.0058058


Apologies for the reply above, there are indeed studies showing IBD with autism.
And no, as much as you would like to tell your "friends" that you've been in a thread with Brian Deer, I'm not him.
Sorry.

However getting back onto the real topic here.
Wakefield blamed the MMR for the IBD/autism yes?
So, show me a study which shows that the attenuated virus causes either/or autism and/or IBD or stop posting rather than just hinting at a non-existent correlation.
So far you've not been able to do that.
If you can't then I would suggest you stop posting as your gish-gallop approach isn't doing you any favours.
Nor is your refusal to explain Wakefield abusing disabled children.
In fact one has to conclude that your refusal to do so means that you fully support this abuse.

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posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 04:28 AM
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Another link between vaccine and rotavirus gaestroenteritis.

Case Report

Sibling Transmission of Vaccine-Derived Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Associated With Rotavirus Gastroenteritis

Daniel C. Payne, PhD, MSPHa, Kathryn M. Edwards, MDb, Michael D. Bowen, PhDc, Erin Keckley, RNb, Jody Peters, MSb, Mathew D. Esona, PhDc, Elizabeth N. Teel, BSc, Diane Kent, RNb, Umesh D. Parashar, MBBS, MPHa, Jon R. Gentsch, PhDc

- Author Affiliations

aEpidemiology Branch and
cGastroenteritis and Respiratory Viruses Laboratory Branch, Division of Viral Diseases, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia; and
bDepartment of Pediatrics, Division of Infectious Diseases, Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville, Tennessee


Abstract

Although rotavirus vaccines are known to be shed in stools, transmission of vaccine-derived virus to unvaccinated contacts resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis has not been reported to our knowledge. We document here the occurrence of vaccine-derived rotavirus (RotaTeq (Merck and Co, Whitehouse Station, NJ) transmission from a vaccinated infant to an older, unvaccinated sibling, resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis that required emergency department care. Results of our investigation suggest that reassortment between vaccine component strains of genotypes P7[5]G1 and P1A[8]G6 occurred during replication either in the vaccinated infant or in the older sibling, raising the possibility that this reassortment may have increased the virulence of the vaccine-derived virus. Both children remain healthy 11 months after this event and are without underlying medical conditions.


Accepted November 20, 2009.

Copyright © 2010 by the American Academy of Pediatrics

pediatrics.aappublications.org...


2011
Doctors See More Children with Inflammatory Bowel Disease
MEDIA CONTACT: Ekaterina Pesheva
EMAIL: epeshev1@jhmi.edu
PHONE: (410) 502-9433

March 28, 2011

-Delays in Diagnosis Common

Once a medical rarity in children, inflammatory bowel disease today is increasingly common in kids, but many of them may not be diagnosed in a timely manner, according to experts from the Pediatric Inflammatory Bowel Disease Center at Johns Hopkins Children’s.
...
Scientists believe that IBD is triggered by an overactive immune system that mistakenly attacks the colon and small intestine. The reasons driving the rise of childhood IBD remain unclear, but genetic and environmental factors are clearly at play, experts say. Because genetic makeup does not change drastically in populations over short periods of time, it is more likely that changing environmental factors are triggering new cases in genetically predisposed children, the researchers say.

www.hopkinschildrens.org...

The reason why Wakefield, and other doctors said that single measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccines were safer is because the immune system of the child is less likely to be overburdened/overactive because the body doesn't think it's being attacked by 3 different viruses at the same time.



edit on 8-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 04:42 AM
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Curr Gastroenterol Rep. 2002 Jun;4(3):251-8.
Autism and gastrointestinal symptoms.
Horvath K1, Perman JA.
Author information

1Department of Pediatrics, University of Maryland School of Medicine, 22 South Greene Street, N5W70, Box 140, Baltimore, MD 21201-1595, USA. E-mail: khorvath@umaryland.edu

Abstract

Autism is a collection of behavioral symptoms characterized by dysfunction in social interaction and communication in affected children. It is typically associated with restrictive, repetitive, and stereotypic behavior and manifests within the first 3 years of life. The cause of this disorder is not known. Over the past decade, a significant upswing in research has occurred to examine the biologic basis of autism. Recent clinical studies have revealed a high prevalence of gastrointestinal symptoms, inflammation, and dysfunction in children with autism. Mild to moderate degrees of inflammation were found in both the upper and lower intestinal tract. In addition, decreased sulfation capacity of the liver, pathologic intestinal permeability, increased secretory response to intravenous secretin injection, and decreased digestive enzyme activities were reported in many children with autism. Treatment of digestive problems appears to have positive effects on autistic behavior. These new observations represent only a piece of the unsolved autism "puzzle" and should stimulate more research into the brain-gut connection.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



UM Doctors Find First Clear Link Between Autism and Gastrointestinal Disorder

For immediate release: December 12, 1999

Source: Autism-Gastro Link | University of Maryland Medical Center umm.edu...
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Children with autism have a much higher rate of gastrointestinal disorders than other children, according to a study conducted by doctors at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore. The study, led by Karoly Horvath, M.D., Ph.D, further suggests that gastrointestinal disorders may contribute to some of the behavioral problems associated with autistic children and may be caused by low levels of the hormone secretin in the body.

The discovery of a link between autism and gastrointestinal disorders is published in the November issue of the Journal of Pediatrics. An accompanying editorial said that the study provided further support for a physiological cause of autism.

Researchers examined 36 children with severe cases of autism who suffered from gastrointestinal symptoms such as abdominal pain, chronic diarrhea, bloating, nighttime awakening, and unexplained irritability. Each child was given an extensive gastrointestinal examination, including an upper gastrointestinal endoscopy. All routine causes for the problems, such as infections and other diseases were ruled out. The findings were compared with those of non-autistic children in a control group.

The most frequently detected abnormalities among the autistic children were a high prevalence of esophageal reflux, which affected nearly 70 percent, and chronic inflammation of the stomach and duodenum. Only two percent of children without autism suffered from reflux. Fifty-eight percent of the examined children with autism suffered from chronic diarrhea caused by malabsorption of carbohydrates.

"Many of the autistic children cannot express themselves, so they often suffer without treatment from these chronic gastrointestinal problems," says Karoly Horvath, M.D., Ph.D., lead author of the study and associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Maryland School of Medicine. "Of the autistic children with reflux esophagitis, 88 percent could not sleep through the night. The interrupted sleep pattern and discomfort caused by these underlying gastrointestinal problems may contribute to the sudden unexplained irritability, mood changes and aggressive behaviors often attributed to brain dysfunction," explains Horvath.

Source: Autism-Gastro Link | University of Maryland Medical Center umm.edu...
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umm.edu...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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New study confirms increased prevalence of GI symptoms among children with autism

Woodruff Health Sciences Center | April 28, 2014

A new study conducted by researchers at Marcus Autism Center, Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta and Emory University School of Medicine indicates that children with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) are more than four times as likely to experience general gastrointestinal (GI) complaints compared with peers, are more than three times as prone to experience constipation and diarrhea than peers, and complain twice as much about abdominal pain compared to peers.

The results are reported in the April 28, 2014, online early edition of the journal Pediatrics.

While parents frequently express concern regarding GI symptoms among children with ASD in pediatric settings, this study is the first meta-analysis of all published, peer-reviewed research relating to this topic.

"Our findings corroborate a history of anecdotal reports and case studies suggesting increased risk of GI concerns in autism," says co-author William Sharp, PhD, director of the Pediatric Feeding Disorders Program at Marcus Autism Center and assistant professor of pediatrics at Emory University School of Medicine. "This analysis reinforces the need for greater clinical and research scrutiny in this area to guide best standards of care and to address important questions regarding the detection and treatment of GI symptoms among children with autism."
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news.emory.edu...


But hey...there is no such link right?...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 05:13 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
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Why haven't the authors of this all been "pursued by thugs" and struck off?
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


The answer to that is simple, and you yourself have done it... Using what happened to Wakefield to dismiss ALL other research that show that same link...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 05:38 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Apologies for the reply above, there are indeed studies showing IBD with autism.


This is not the first time that you ignore, and even dismiss evidence that has been put right in front of you.

For how many pages did you claim no one else has proven the link spoken of in the 1998 Lancet paper?... Quite a few... You keep making excuses, after excuses. You keep ignoring evidence, and even dismiss evidence... You even dismiss the specialists/experts and regular doctors who refute your claims and instead imply "they are not experts" or that "their expertise is irrelevant"... In fact, all you keep doing is trying, and trying to derail the topic...

Before that post, i showed 2 case studies showing how vaccines caused the virus that the vaccine was supposed to cure and you completely ignored them, and even took out the links and excerpts in your response and then demanded proof of that link...


originally posted by: Pardon?
And no, as much as you would like to tell your "friends" that you've been in a thread with Brian Deer, I'm not him.
Sorry.


Noting how you use some of the very same tactics used by Brian Deer, sometimes i think you are him. Sorry



originally posted by: Pardon?
However getting back onto the real topic here.
Wakefield blamed the MMR for the IBD/autism yes?


No, Wakefield said the MMR vaccine MAY cause autism and IBD...



originally posted by: Pardon?
So, show me a study which shows that the attenuated virus causes either/or autism and/or IBD or stop posting rather than just hinting at a non-existent correlation.
So far you've not been able to do that.
If you can't then I would suggest you stop posting as your gish-gallop approach isn't doing you any favours.


Humm... I have tried to take you step by step to show you the correlation...

I even showed you this...


2011
Doctors See More Children with Inflammatory Bowel Disease
MEDIA CONTACT: Ekaterina Pesheva
EMAIL: epeshev1@jhmi.edu
PHONE: (410) 502-9433

March 28, 2011

-Delays in Diagnosis Common

Once a medical rarity in children, inflammatory bowel disease today is increasingly common in kids, but many of them may not be diagnosed in a timely manner, according to experts from the Pediatric Inflammatory Bowel Disease Center at Johns Hopkins Children’s.
...
Scientists believe that IBD is triggered by an overactive immune system that mistakenly attacks the colon and small intestine. The reasons driving the rise of childhood IBD remain unclear, but genetic and environmental factors are clearly at play, experts say. Because genetic makeup does not change drastically in populations over short periods of time, it is more likely that changing environmental factors are triggering new cases in genetically predisposed children, the researchers say.

www.hopkinschildrens.org...

I have even showed you how several research papers have found the same link that Wakefield found between Autism and IBD... yet you continue claiming "that's not so"...

The MMR vaccine has 3 vaccines in one... Depending on the vaccine used, the body either thinks it is being attacked by 3 different viruses at the same time, or in some cases the vaccine causes the virus that it is supposed to immunize you against...

NEVER have I said, nor did Wakefield, nor any doctor have ever said that in 100% of cases the MMR vaccine causes the virus. But it does increase the risk, more so in genetically predisposed individuals/children....

i have even showed how the adjuvants like AI(aluminum) and compounds like ethylmercury in the other vaccines which are administered to individuals and children MAY cause a mitochondrial disorder, which again increases the risk of that individual/child regressing and developing inflammatory bowel disease...

Hence the sum of so many vaccines is A RISK... Hence the call for SAFER VACCINES, and telling people that they have options...


originally posted by: Pardon?

Nor is your refusal to explain Wakefield abusing disabled children.


If the parents say Wakefield did not abuse their children, and NONE of them accused Wakefield... Who am I more likely to believe?... a completely random person that continuously denies the evidence put right in front of him/her? The results from a hearing which got most of their evidence from a fraud, Brian Deer, who lied about his job, lied about what he asked the parents of the children. Lied to the parents telling them he was there to help them and the children?
The results from a hearing in which many of the members in the council in such hearing had OBVIOUS conflicts of interests as they were tied to some of the very same vaccine manufacturers who provided the vaccines for the children in the Lancet study?...

Should I dare let you take a guess whom I would believe was truly abusing the children?...


originally posted by: Pardon?
In fact one has to conclude that your refusal to do so means that you fully support this abuse.


Riiight... now I am an abuser of the children as well...

Ironic how your concern for the children ends when evidence is shown that certain vaccines can, and have caused harm to children...


edit on 8-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment and correct statement.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 05:48 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?


Oh and BTW... TO PLAY DEVILS ADVOCATE...


Journal of Theoretics Vol.1-4

Oct/Nov 1999 Editorial

Smoking Does Not

Cause Lung Cancer

(According to WHO/CDC Data)*

By: James P. Siepmann, MD

Yes, it is true, smoking does not cause lung cancer. It is only one of many risk factors for lung cancer. I initially was going to write an article on how the professional literature and publications misuse the language by saying "smoking causes lung cancer"1,2, but the more that I looked into how biased the literature, professional organizations, and the media are, I modified this article to one on trying to put the relationship between smoking and cancer into perspective. (No, I did not get paid off by the tobacco companies, or anything else like that.)
...

www.journaloftheoretics.com...

Heck, you have even claimed that the use of the words "may" "suggest" and "possible" in research papers "is definitive proof there is no link"... Or so you claim... You keep claiming this even after showing you that those words are very commonly used in research papers, and in no way does the use of these words say "there is no link", or that the use of those words invalidates the results of the research...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Excellent thread ElectricUniverse! Thank goodness my child is past vaccine age, I always worried when he received them, I tried to spread them out a little more than recommended, and made sure he was healthy and well rested when going in for one. If I had known then what I know now, I would have asked for the vaccines without all the preservatives.

Just a little reminder, tactics of disinfo agents often include those that would engage you emotionally or attempt to engage your ego.


edit on 8-3-2015 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Thank you, and yes, you are right. Unfortunately it has been shown that disinfo agents can, and have used such tactics. But I also think that there are a lot of people who just simply want to ignore the evidence, and they don't want to hear any differing opinions, and even deny any, and every research that refutes their claims. But sometimes i do wonder too...


edit on 8-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 06:38 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Another link between vaccine and rotavirus gaestroenteritis.

Case Report

Sibling Transmission of Vaccine-Derived Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Associated With Rotavirus Gastroenteritis

Daniel C. Payne, PhD, MSPHa, Kathryn M. Edwards, MDb, Michael D. Bowen, PhDc, Erin Keckley, RNb, Jody Peters, MSb, Mathew D. Esona, PhDc, Elizabeth N. Teel, BSc, Diane Kent, RNb, Umesh D. Parashar, MBBS, MPHa, Jon R. Gentsch, PhDc

- Author Affiliations

aEpidemiology Branch and
cGastroenteritis and Respiratory Viruses Laboratory Branch, Division of Viral Diseases, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia; and
bDepartment of Pediatrics, Division of Infectious Diseases, Vanderbilt University Medical Center, Nashville, Tennessee


Abstract

Although rotavirus vaccines are known to be shed in stools, transmission of vaccine-derived virus to unvaccinated contacts resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis has not been reported to our knowledge. We document here the occurrence of vaccine-derived rotavirus (RotaTeq (Merck and Co, Whitehouse Station, NJ) transmission from a vaccinated infant to an older, unvaccinated sibling, resulting in symptomatic rotavirus gastroenteritis that required emergency department care. Results of our investigation suggest that reassortment between vaccine component strains of genotypes P7[5]G1 and P1A[8]G6 occurred during replication either in the vaccinated infant or in the older sibling, raising the possibility that this reassortment may have increased the virulence of the vaccine-derived virus. Both children remain healthy 11 months after this event and are without underlying medical conditions.


Accepted November 20, 2009.

Copyright © 2010 by the American Academy of Pediatrics

pediatrics.aappublications.org...


2011
Doctors See More Children with Inflammatory Bowel Disease
MEDIA CONTACT: Ekaterina Pesheva
EMAIL: epeshev1@jhmi.edu
PHONE: (410) 502-9433

March 28, 2011

-Delays in Diagnosis Common

Once a medical rarity in children, inflammatory bowel disease today is increasingly common in kids, but many of them may not be diagnosed in a timely manner, according to experts from the Pediatric Inflammatory Bowel Disease Center at Johns Hopkins Children’s.
...
Scientists believe that IBD is triggered by an overactive immune system that mistakenly attacks the colon and small intestine. The reasons driving the rise of childhood IBD remain unclear, but genetic and environmental factors are clearly at play, experts say. Because genetic makeup does not change drastically in populations over short periods of time, it is more likely that changing environmental factors are triggering new cases in genetically predisposed children, the researchers say.

www.hopkinschildrens.org...

The reason why Wakefield, and other doctors said that single measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccines were safer is because the immune system of the child is less likely to be overburdened/overactive because the body doesn't think it's being attacked by 3 different viruses at the same time.




You're doing it again aren't you?
Throwing in a single case report as evidence.
I'm guessing you got this via the recent "CNBNC" report?
Which wasn't actually a report but a news wire release from an anti-vaxxer organisation?
No matter.
It's a single case report.
As the other was.

As for the over-burden of the inflammatory system by giving 3 viruses at once trope.
How many viruses are being destroyed by your immune system at this very moment?
How many pathogens are neonates exposed to in the months prior to receiving the first MMR?

But it definitely has to be the vaccines doesn't it?
Err, when you look at it like that, no, no it doesn't.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Wait, your son was vaccinated and he doesn't have autism?

If the person you're praising is right, he should.

How does that work?

Why is autism on the rise in countries with poor or no vaccinations?



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse what medical credentials do you have , seeing as your such the medical expert. How long have you studied medicine? How long have you been practicing. I find these questions important when receiving medical wisdom of anyone, but maybe I'm just a little strange like that



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

Apologies for the reply above, there are indeed studies showing IBD with autism.


This is not the first time that you ignore, and even dismiss evidence that has been put right in front of you.

For how many pages did you claim no one else has proven the link spoken of in the 1998 Lancet paper?... Quite a few... You keep making excuses, after excuses. You keep ignoring evidence, and even dismiss evidence... You even dismiss the specialists/experts and regular doctors who refute your claims and instead imply "they are not experts" or that "their expertise is irrelevant"... In fact, all you keep doing is trying, and trying to derail the topic...

Before that post, i showed 2 case studies showing how vaccines caused the virus that the vaccine was supposed to cure and you completely ignored them, and even took out the links and excerpts in your response and then demanded proof of that link...


originally posted by: Pardon?
And no, as much as you would like to tell your "friends" that you've been in a thread with Brian Deer, I'm not him.
Sorry.


Noting how you use some of the very same tactics used by Brian Deer, sometimes i think you are him. Sorry



originally posted by: Pardon?
However getting back onto the real topic here.
Wakefield blamed the MMR for the IBD/autism yes?


No, Wakefield said the MMR vaccine MAY cause autism and IBD...



originally posted by: Pardon?
So, show me a study which shows that the attenuated virus causes either/or autism and/or IBD or stop posting rather than just hinting at a non-existent correlation.
So far you've not been able to do that.
If you can't then I would suggest you stop posting as your gish-gallop approach isn't doing you any favours.


Humm... I have tried to take you step by step to show you the correlation...

I even showed you this...


2011
Doctors See More Children with Inflammatory Bowel Disease
MEDIA CONTACT: Ekaterina Pesheva
EMAIL: epeshev1@jhmi.edu
PHONE: (410) 502-9433

March 28, 2011

-Delays in Diagnosis Common

Once a medical rarity in children, inflammatory bowel disease today is increasingly common in kids, but many of them may not be diagnosed in a timely manner, according to experts from the Pediatric Inflammatory Bowel Disease Center at Johns Hopkins Children’s.
...
Scientists believe that IBD is triggered by an overactive immune system that mistakenly attacks the colon and small intestine. The reasons driving the rise of childhood IBD remain unclear, but genetic and environmental factors are clearly at play, experts say. Because genetic makeup does not change drastically in populations over short periods of time, it is more likely that changing environmental factors are triggering new cases in genetically predisposed children, the researchers say.

www.hopkinschildrens.org...

I have even showed you how several research papers have found the same link that Wakefield found between Autism and IBD... yet you continue claiming "that's not so"...

The MMR vaccine has 3 vaccines in one... Depending on the vaccine used, the body either thinks it is being attacked by 3 different viruses at the same time, or in some cases the vaccine causes the virus that it is supposed to immunize you against...

NEVER have I said, nor did Wakefield, nor any doctor have ever said that in 100% of cases the MMR vaccine causes the virus. But it does increase the risk, more so in genetically predisposed individuals/children....

i have even showed how the adjuvants like AI(aluminum) and compounds like ethylmercury in the other vaccines which are administered to individuals and children MAY cause a mitochondrial disorder, which again increases the risk of that individual/child regressing and developing inflammatory bowel disease...

Hence the sum of so many vaccines is A RISK... Hence the call for SAFER VACCINES, and telling people that they have options...


originally posted by: Pardon?

Nor is your refusal to explain Wakefield abusing disabled children.


If the parents say Wakefield did not abuse their children, and NONE of them accused Wakefield... Who am I more likely to believe?... a completely random person that continuously denies the evidence put right in front of him/her? The results from a hearing which got most of their evidence from a fraud, Brian Deer, who lied about his job, lied about what he asked the parents of the children. Lied to the parents telling them he was there to help them and the children?
The results from a hearing in which many of the members in the council in such hearing had OBVIOUS conflicts of interests as they were tied to some of the very same vaccine manufacturers who provided the vaccines for the children in the Lancet study?...

Should I dare let you take a guess whom I would believe was truly abusing the children?...


originally posted by: Pardon?
In fact one has to conclude that your refusal to do so means that you fully support this abuse.


Riiight... now I am an abuser of the children as well...

Ironic how your concern for the children ends when evidence is shown that certain vaccines can, and have caused harm to children...



Going by what Wakefield said in his press release video he suggested strongly that there was a cause.
Even when the paper didn't say that.
And suggested strongly that the MMR should be suspended in favour of the single vaccine (see his Transfer Factor).
Even when the paper didn't say that.
Here's the transcript of the press release (the video's out there as well should you care to search for it).
briandeer.com...

In the paper itself, the rationale for it was as follows (www.thelancet.com...)
"Findings: Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children, with measles infection in one child, and otitis media in another."
That forms the whole basis of the rest of the paper.
This correlation has never been proven in fact, it has been proven that there is NO association.

So irrespective of the links you post showing IBD and autism (which comes first btw, IBD or autism? Does IBD cause autism or is IDB part of the nyriad of issues with autism?)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So why was Wakefield so adamant in suggesting there was a link?
Oh yes, his Transfer Factor (and his legal cases).
Feel free to post more conspiracies involving who was paying who for what but at this juncture, the case against him wasn't happening was it?

I've been through why the parents of the children thought they weren't being abused and that's because the "good" doctor Wakefield told them the tests were necessary for his potential "treatment".
They weren't. They weren't going to be treated.
The tests were for research only and had no medical reason for being performed.
That's abuse.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Thank you, and yes, you are right. Unfortunately it has been shown that disinfo agents can, and have used such tactics. But I also think that there are a lot of people who just simply want to ignore the evidence, and they don't want to hear any differing opinions, and even deny any, and every research that refutes their claims. But sometimes i do wonder too...



Funny you should say "disinfo agent".

I'm still waiting for you to show a study which shows that MMR causes IBD which in turn causes autism instead of just showing correlation (none of which even has the MMR vaccine in).
And after the causation between MMR and IBD has been proven not to exist you still bang on about it

The last line of your paragraph is a strange trait of your ilk whereby they state exactly what they always do.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:16 AM
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I can't believe people are still clinging to the Wakefield stuff.
He should have been jailed tbh.







 
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