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The Real Next Level BS of the Vaccine Controversy.

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posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

Even sadder is the actual harm it does Wmhen kids get sick....needlessly.




posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
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Their conclusion was pre-decided. That's not how research works.


In case you didn't know doctors and specialists give their opinion to the best of the available information they can access, and according to the research they have done, or have read... Again, if vaccines were completely safe, like you claim, then there wouldn't be a plethora of research that refutes your claims. You can try to dissect the research that refutes your claim by making more false claims like you keep doing.

All you are doing is giving YOUR biased opinion meanwhile dismissing anything and everything that shows you are wrong.

You have given evidence from an economics perspective, you did give in that other thread dealing with this subject a paper by economists who claimed vaccines are safe, but somehow your research is more valid than this one which is not alone...

The beliefs of a person on other subjects does not invalidate what they have to say about this particular subject... Again, it is a fallacy on your part to claim so. All you keep doing is making false claims to invalidate any data that refutes your claims.

You have gone so far as insulting me, even trying to persuade members by claiming I am an abuser of children (which is completely false) claiming i don't know how to do research when i have proven that you knowingly continue to lie, you make false claims, and fallacious arguments which in the end are only trying to derail this thread.

You have gone so far as claiming that the body can readily and easily get rid of any toxins from vaccines, which is completely false. Not to mention the claim that no vaccine has ethylmercury anymore, alongside other claims which i have proven to be false. But even after proving this you continue denying everything...

BTW, Vijendra Kumar Singh is a known neuroimmunologist who has testified before Congress on this topic and is the author of over 100 scientific publications. Not to mention the fact that he is not the only expert who has found that the majority of autistic children suffer from an autoimmune disease, or that they have an abnormal and elevated measles-mumps-rubella antibodies...


J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64.
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
Singh VK1, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.
Author information

1Department of Biology and Biotechnology Center, Utah State University, Logan, Utah 84322, USA. singhvk@cc.usu.edu

Abstract

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.

Copyright 2002 National Science Council, ROC and S. Karger AG, Basel

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Here is a list of a selection of research abstracts that show Immune and/or Mitochindrial Dysfunction, Sulfation and/or Detoxification Deficits in Autism.




Selection of Abstracts Regarding

Immune and/or Mitochindrial Dysfunction,

Sulfation and/or Detoxification Deficits in Autism



Updated August, 2011



Jyonouchi H, Geng L, Streck DL, Toruner GA. Children with autism spectrum disorders (ASD) who exhibit chronic gastrointestinal (GI) symptoms and marked fluctuation of behavioral symptoms exhibit distinct innate immune abnormalities and transcriptional profiles of peripheral blood (PB) monocytes. J Neuroimmunol. 2011 Jul 29.


Division of Allergy/Immunology and Infection Diseases, Department of Pediatrics, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey (UMDNJ)-New Jersey Medical School (NJMS), 185 South Orange Ave, Newark, NJ, United States.


Abstract

Innate/adaptive immune responses and transcript profiles of peripheral blood monocytes were studied in ASD children who exhibit fluctuating behavioral symptoms following infection and other immune insults (ASD/Inf, N=30). The ASD/Inf children with persistent gastrointestinal symptoms (ASD/Inf+GI, N=19), revealed less production of proinflammatory and counter-regulatory cytokines with stimuli of innate immunity and marked changes in transcript profiles of monocytes as compared to ASD/no-Inf (N=28) and normal (N=26) controls. This included a 4-5 fold up-regulation of chemokines (CCL2 and CCL7), consistent with the production of more CCL2 by ASD/Inf+GI cells. These results indicate dysregulated innate immune defense in the ASD/Inf+GI children, rendering them more vulnerable to common microbial infection/dysbiosis and possibly subsequent behavioral changes.


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Ratajczak HV. Theoretical aspects of autism: causes--a review. J Immunotoxicol. 2011 Jan-Mar;8(1):68-79.

hratajcz@comcast.net


Abstract


Autism, a member of the pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs), has been increasing dramatically since its description by Leo Kanner in 1943. First estimated to occur in 4 to 5 per 10,000 children, the incidence of autism is now 1 per 110 in the United States, and 1 per 64 in the United Kingdom, with similar incidences throughout the world. Searching information from 1943 to the present in PubMed and Ovid Medline databases, this review summarizes results that correlate the timing of changes in incidence with environmental changes. Autism could result from more than one cause, with different manifestations in different individuals that share common symptoms. Documented causes of autism include genetic mutations and/or deletions, viral infections, and encephalitis following vaccination. Therefore, autism is the result of genetic defects and/or inflammation of the brain. The inflammation could be caused by a defective placenta, immature blood-brain barrier, the immune response of the mother to infection while pregnant, a premature birth, encephalitis in the child after birth, or a toxic environment.



Giulivi C, Zhang YF, Omanska-Klusek A, Ross-Inta C, Wong S, Hertz-Picciotto I, Tassone F, Pessah IN. Mitochondrial dysfunction in autism. JAMA. 2010 Dec 1;304(21):2389-96.
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www.autismbiomed.com...

There are many other research abstracts in the above link that corroborates my statements, and the research posted in this thread.



edit on 10-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 10:35 PM
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Now, to understand why i posted the link and abstracts about immune and/or Mitochindrial Dysfunction, sulfation and/or Detoxification Deficits in Autism, you have to take in context the other research I have posted throughout this thread which shows how certain vaccines, or the adjuvants in vaccines like AI(aluminum) or compounds like ethylmercury can cause these autoimmune dysfunctions and neurological disorders.


edit on 10-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 11:33 PM
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Autoimmune connection of autism in Central Saudi Arabia
Laila Y. Al-Ayadhi, MBChB, PhD.

ABSTRACT

Objective:
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder with unknown etiology. The etiology of autism is complex, and the underlying pathologic mechanisms are unknown. This study tests the autoimmune mechanisms in the pathogenesis for autism in autistic children in the Riyadh area.
...
Results:
The level of MBP antibodies was significantly higher in autistic children as compared to controls ( p < 0.01 ). Furthermore, the level of antibodies to measles but not mumps or rubella was significantly higher in
autistics compared to the control group
( p < 0.05 ).
Moreover, 82% of autistic sera positive for measles IgG was also positive for MBP.

Conclusion:
The current study supports the hypothesis that autoimmunity plays a role in the pathogenesis of autism. However, results from the current study are not enough to support that immunization by MMR is playing a role in the autoimmune process in autistism.
...

www.neurosciencesjournal.org...


AL-Ayadhi and Mostafa Journal of Neuroinflammation
2014, 11:69
www.jneuroinflammation.com...

Serum antinucleosome-specific antibody as a marker of autoimmunity in children with autism
Laila Yousef AL-Ayadhi 1 and Gehan Ahmed Mostafa 1,2*

Abstract
Background:
Increasing evidence of autoimmune phenomena in some individuals with autism could represent the
presence of altered or inappropriate immune responses in this disorder. The role of the nucleosome in the induction of antibody response in some autoimmune-mediated tissue damage may provide novel targets for treatment. Due to the paucity of studies investigating the frequency of systemic auto-antibodies in autism, we are the first to investigate the frequency of antinucleosome-specific antibodies in a group of autistic children.

Methods:
Serum antinucleosome-specific antibodies were measured by ELISA in 60 autistic children, between the ages
of 3 and 12 years, in comparison to 60 healthy children. Autistic severity was assessed using the Childhood Autism
Rating Scale (CARS).
Results:
Autistic children had significantly higher serum antinucleosome-specific antibodies than healthy children
( P < 0.001 ). The seropositivity of antinucleosome-specific antibodies was found in 46.7% of autistic children. Autistic
children with a family history of autoimmunity (40%) had a significantly higher frequency of serum
antinucleosome-specific antibodies (83.3%) than patients without such a history
(22.2%, P < 0.001 ).

Conclusions:
Serum levels of antinucleosome-specific antibodies were increased in some autistic children. However,
these data should be treated with caution until further investigations are performed with a larger subject population to determine whether these antibodies have a role in the induction of autoimmunity in a subgroup of autistic children.
The role of immunotherapy in children with autism should be also studied.
Keywords: Antinucleosome-specific antibodies, Autism, Autoimmunity, Family history of autoimmunity

www.biomedcentral.com...


J Neuroimmunol. 2004 Jul;152(1-2):176-82.
Autoantibody repertoires to brain tissue in autism nuclear families.
Silva SC1, Correia C, Fesel C, Barreto M, Coutinho AM, Marques C, Miguel TS, Ataide A, Bento C, Borges L, Oliveira G, Vicente AM.
Author information

1Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Rua da Quinta Grande 6, 2781-196 Oeiras, Portugal.

Abstract

The hypothesis of an immune dysfunction in autism spectrum disorders has previously been put forward without, however, compelling evidence of a direct relation to its etiology or pathogenesis. To further understand if autoimmunity could play a significant role in autism, we analyzed autoantibody repertoires to brain tissue extract in the plasma of 171 autism children, their parents, and 54 controls, by quantitative immunoblotting. Multiparametric analysis revealed significant differences between patients and controls, and showed that one single reactivity in Section 32 of the blot had the most power to discriminate between these samples. Family correlation coefficients and heritability estimates did not provide any evidence that this reactivity was genetically determined. While the molecular weight of the target protein suggested that it might be an isoform of Myelin Basic Protein (MBP), inhibition assays with human MBP argued against this hypothesis. The study evidences the widespread occurrence of autoreactivities to brain tissue in autism patients, which may represent the immune system's neuroprotective response to a previous brain injury occurred during neurodevelopment. The molecular identification of the target protein in Section 32 will contribute to the understanding of the role of immune responses against brain antigens in autistic patients.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

BTW, inflammation in the brain (encephalitis) is a brain injury. Vaccines like MMR can cause inflammation in the brain (and other organs), and this in turn can affect the neurodevelopment of babies, children and young adults.

Then there is the fact that the measles virus derived from VACCINE STRAINS have been found in a number of autistic children, and clinical studies have shown that this increases the chances of children regressing and becoming autistic. That's without taking in context the fact that children receive other vaccines that have adjuvants like AI (aluminum) and compounds like ethylmercury which have also been found in research studies to increase the chances of children developing neurological disorders, or in adult cases can cause other forms of neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's.


edit on 10-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct errors and add comment.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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I had a very bad reaction to a grouped shot I received in the Air Force in 1972. I felt fine right after getting the shot, but 15 minutes latter I passed out and when came to, I felt disoriented and then shortly after had a super high fever it took a few days before I felt normal.
When my daughter had her first baby boy I had told her to wait on giving my grandson any shots until he was at least 2 yrs old.
When she spoke to her Doctor he argued with her but she held her ground. So my grandson who was walking at 9 months and talking at 2 and was a totally normal boy. After he turned 2 she brought him back to the Doctor to get his shots and asked if he could get them one at a time. The Doctor told her it wasn't necessary and they gave him his group shot within 2 hrs. he became sick, that evening he became very sick. It took a 2 days for the fever to pass. Then at night my daughter told me he would hum and bang his head on his pillow he was diagnosed with mild autism.
The Doctor was very embarrassed and wished he had listen. He had just received his medical license and was young and was doing what he had been taught. I now have 10 grand kids and they are all healthy and happy and 9 of them never got their shots.
My daughter is glad she had waited until her son had turned 2 before he got his group shot. But she wishes he had never got the shot. He was definitely a handful to raise up into what he is today. So I believe the parents should have the say in the child's vaccinations. a reply to: ElectricUniverse




posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 02:48 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?
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Their conclusion was pre-decided. That's not how research works.


In case you didn't know doctors and specialists give their opinion to the best of the available information they can access, and according to the research they have done, or have read... Again, if vaccines were completely safe, like you claim, then there wouldn't be a plethora of research that refutes your claims. You can try to dissect the research that refutes your claim by making more false claims like you keep doing.



Why do you keep on saying that I claim vaccines are completely safe?
Can you point out ANYWHERE in this thread where I've made that claim?

It should be quite easy to link to it.



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 02:50 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Autoimmune connection of autism in Central Saudi Arabia
Laila Y. Al-Ayadhi, MBChB, PhD.

ABSTRACT

Objective:
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder with unknown etiology. The etiology of autism is complex, and the underlying pathologic mechanisms are unknown. This study tests the autoimmune mechanisms in the pathogenesis for autism in autistic children in the Riyadh area.
...
Results:
The level of MBP antibodies was significantly higher in autistic children as compared to controls ( p < 0.01 ). Furthermore, the level of antibodies to measles but not mumps or rubella was significantly higher in
autistics compared to the control group
( p < 0.05 ).
Moreover, 82% of autistic sera positive for measles IgG was also positive for MBP.

Conclusion:
The current study supports the hypothesis that autoimmunity plays a role in the pathogenesis of autism. However, results from the current study are not enough to support that immunization by MMR is playing a role in the autoimmune process in autistism.
...

www.neurosciencesjournal.org...


AL-Ayadhi and Mostafa Journal of Neuroinflammation
2014, 11:69
www.jneuroinflammation.com...

Serum antinucleosome-specific antibody as a marker of autoimmunity in children with autism
Laila Yousef AL-Ayadhi 1 and Gehan Ahmed Mostafa 1,2*

Abstract
Background:
Increasing evidence of autoimmune phenomena in some individuals with autism could represent the
presence of altered or inappropriate immune responses in this disorder. The role of the nucleosome in the induction of antibody response in some autoimmune-mediated tissue damage may provide novel targets for treatment. Due to the paucity of studies investigating the frequency of systemic auto-antibodies in autism, we are the first to investigate the frequency of antinucleosome-specific antibodies in a group of autistic children.

Methods:
Serum antinucleosome-specific antibodies were measured by ELISA in 60 autistic children, between the ages
of 3 and 12 years, in comparison to 60 healthy children. Autistic severity was assessed using the Childhood Autism
Rating Scale (CARS).
Results:
Autistic children had significantly higher serum antinucleosome-specific antibodies than healthy children
( P < 0.001 ). The seropositivity of antinucleosome-specific antibodies was found in 46.7% of autistic children. Autistic
children with a family history of autoimmunity (40%) had a significantly higher frequency of serum
antinucleosome-specific antibodies (83.3%) than patients without such a history
(22.2%, P < 0.001 ).

Conclusions:
Serum levels of antinucleosome-specific antibodies were increased in some autistic children. However,
these data should be treated with caution until further investigations are performed with a larger subject population to determine whether these antibodies have a role in the induction of autoimmunity in a subgroup of autistic children.
The role of immunotherapy in children with autism should be also studied.
Keywords: Antinucleosome-specific antibodies, Autism, Autoimmunity, Family history of autoimmunity

www.biomedcentral.com...


J Neuroimmunol. 2004 Jul;152(1-2):176-82.
Autoantibody repertoires to brain tissue in autism nuclear families.
Silva SC1, Correia C, Fesel C, Barreto M, Coutinho AM, Marques C, Miguel TS, Ataide A, Bento C, Borges L, Oliveira G, Vicente AM.
Author information

1Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Rua da Quinta Grande 6, 2781-196 Oeiras, Portugal.

Abstract

The hypothesis of an immune dysfunction in autism spectrum disorders has previously been put forward without, however, compelling evidence of a direct relation to its etiology or pathogenesis. To further understand if autoimmunity could play a significant role in autism, we analyzed autoantibody repertoires to brain tissue extract in the plasma of 171 autism children, their parents, and 54 controls, by quantitative immunoblotting. Multiparametric analysis revealed significant differences between patients and controls, and showed that one single reactivity in Section 32 of the blot had the most power to discriminate between these samples. Family correlation coefficients and heritability estimates did not provide any evidence that this reactivity was genetically determined. While the molecular weight of the target protein suggested that it might be an isoform of Myelin Basic Protein (MBP), inhibition assays with human MBP argued against this hypothesis. The study evidences the widespread occurrence of autoreactivities to brain tissue in autism patients, which may represent the immune system's neuroprotective response to a previous brain injury occurred during neurodevelopment. The molecular identification of the target protein in Section 32 will contribute to the understanding of the role of immune responses against brain antigens in autistic patients.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

BTW, inflammation in the brain (encephalitis) is a brain injury. Vaccines like MMR can cause inflammation in the brain (and other organs), and this in turn can affect the neurodevelopment of babies, children and young adults.

Then there is the fact that the measles virus derived from VACCINE STRAINS have been found in a number of autistic children, and clinical studies have shown that this increases the chances of children regressing and becoming autistic. That's without taking in context the fact that children receive other vaccines that have adjuvants like AI (aluminum) and compounds like ethylmercury which have also been found in research studies to increase the chances of children developing neurological disorders, or in adult cases can cause other forms of neurological disorders such as Alzheimer's.



What a surprise.
No mention of vaccines at all in any of the studies you cite.
Keep digging.



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 02:52 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Now, to understand why i posted the link and abstracts about immune and/or Mitochindrial Dysfunction, sulfation and/or Detoxification Deficits in Autism, you have to take in context the other research I have posted throughout this thread which shows how certain vaccines, or the adjuvants in vaccines like AI(aluminum) or compounds like ethylmercury can cause these autoimmune dysfunctions and neurological disorders.



Now post the links which show a causation from vaccines.
Or show me a study which links vaccines and mito dys to autism please.

If there is a link it should be easy to demonstrate.
If there isn't however...



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 03:00 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?
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Their conclusion was pre-decided. That's not how research works.


In case you didn't know doctors and specialists give their opinion to the best of the available information they can access, and according to the research they have done, or have read... Again, if vaccines were completely safe, like you claim, then there wouldn't be a plethora of research that refutes your claims. You can try to dissect the research that refutes your claim by making more false claims like you keep doing.

All you are doing is giving YOUR biased opinion meanwhile dismissing anything and everything that shows you are wrong.

You have given evidence from an economics perspective, you did give in that other thread dealing with this subject a paper by economists who claimed vaccines are safe, but somehow your research is more valid than this one which is not alone...

The beliefs of a person on other subjects does not invalidate what they have to say about this particular subject... Again, it is a fallacy on your part to claim so. All you keep doing is making false claims to invalidate any data that refutes your claims.

You have gone so far as insulting me, even trying to persuade members by claiming I am an abuser of children (which is completely false) claiming i don't know how to do research when i have proven that you knowingly continue to lie, you make false claims, and fallacious arguments which in the end are only trying to derail this thread.

You have gone so far as claiming that the body can readily and easily get rid of any toxins from vaccines, which is completely false. Not to mention the claim that no vaccine has ethylmercury anymore, alongside other claims which i have proven to be false. But even after proving this you continue denying everything...

BTW, Vijendra Kumar Singh is a known neuroimmunologist who has testified before Congress on this topic and is the author of over 100 scientific publications. Not to mention the fact that he is not the only expert who has found that the majority of autistic children suffer from an autoimmune disease, or that they have an abnormal and elevated measles-mumps-rubella antibodies...


J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64.
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
Singh VK1, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.
Author information

1Department of Biology and Biotechnology Center, Utah State University, Logan, Utah 84322, USA. singhvk@cc.usu.edu

Abstract

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.

Copyright 2002 National Science Council, ROC and S. Karger AG, Basel

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


I really don't understand why you're posting that study again.
I've shown you why it's wrong.
What's wrong with you?

Do you only believe bad science or something?
Why don't you believe the science that says the opposite of what you believe?

That's right, it's because it's a belief system that you adhere to.
I will no more convince you that you're wrong than convert a muslim to buddhism.

And I didn't say you were a child abuser.
I said that by your refusal to denounce the abuse Wakefield di then you must by definition, support that abuse.



posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Now post the links which show a causation from vaccines.
Or show me a study which links vaccines and mito dys to autism please.

If there is a link it should be easy to demonstrate.
If there isn't however...


Are you for real ?... Have to wonder since I have already posted those links SEVERAL TIMES, and all you do is "deny, deny, deny, deny" such link...


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. Controls were all negative. The sequences obtained from the patients with Crohn's disease shared the characteristics with wild-strain virus. The sequences obtained from the patients with ulcerative colitis and children with autism were consistent with being vaccine strains. The results were concordant with the exposure history of the patients. Persistence of measles virus was confirmed in PBMC in some patients with chronic intestinal inflammation.
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But, if you want more recent findings which corroborate my statements, and corroborate other research including those from Japan, here you go.


Eurosurveillance, Volume 18, Issue 49, 05 December 2013
Rapid communications
Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013
M Murti ()1, M Krajden2, M Petric2, J Hiebert3, F Hemming1, B Hefford4, M Bigham1, P Van Buynder1

Fraser Health Authority, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
Public Health Microbiology and Reference Laboratory British Columbia Centre for Disease Control, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
National Microbiology Laboratory, Public Health Agency of Canada, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1-1400 George St., White Rock, British Columbia, Canada

Citation style for this article: Murti M, Krajden M, Petric M, Hiebert J, Hemming F, Hefford B, Bigham M, Van Buynder P. Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013. Euro Surveill. 2013;18(49):pii=20649. Available online: www.eurosurveillance.org...
Date of submission: 15 November 2013

We describe a case of vaccine-associated measles in a two-year-old patient from British Columbia, Canada, in October 2013, who received her first dose of measles-containing vaccine 37 days prior to onset of prodromal symptoms. Identification of this delayed vaccine-associated case occurred in the context of an outbreak investigation of a measles cluster.

In this report we describe a case of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine-associated measles illness that was positive by both PCR and IgM, five weeks after administration of the MMR vaccine. Based on our literature review, we believe this is the first such case report which has implications for both public health follow-up of measles cases and vaccine safety surveillance.
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Laboratory investigations
Laboratory testing for measles was performed on specimens collected on the day of rash onset. Measles RNA was detected in the nasopharyngeal swab by the RT-PCR assay [3]. Acute and convalescent measles specific IgM and IgG antibodies were detected in the blood by ELISA (Enzygnost Anti-Measles Virus IgM and IgG (Dade Behring, Marburg, Germany): IgM detectable (0.213), IgG 1294 mIU/mL, and IgM detectable (0.246), IgG 2,413 mIU/mL, respectively. Virus genotype was determined by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, Canada as vaccine strain, genotype A, MVs/British Columbia/39.13 [A] (VAC) [4]. Other virology testing found no detectable Parvovirus B19 specific IgG or IgM antibody, and detectable human herpesvirus (HHV)-6 specific IgG antibody but no detectable HHV-6 DNA.

www.eurosurveillance.org...


Paediatr Child Health. 2012 Apr; 17(4): e32–e33.
PMCID: PMC3381670


Differentiating the wild from the attenuated during a measles outbreak
Lindsay Nestibo, BN RN,1 Bonita E Lee, MD FRCPC MSC (Epi),2 Kevin Fonseca, PhD D(ABMM),3 Jennifer Beirnes,4 Marcia M Johnson, MD MHSc FRCPC,5 and Christopher A Sikora, MD MSc MPH CCFP FRCPC6
1Communicable Disease Control, Alberta Health Services;
2Paediatric Infectious Disease, University of Alberta;
3Provincial Laboratory for Public Health;
4National Microbiology Laboratory, Public Health Agency of Canada;
5Population and Public Health Division, Alberta Health Services;
6School of Public Health, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta
Correspondence: Dr Christopher A Sikora, University of Alberta, Suite 104 West Tower, Coronation Plaza, 14310–111 Avenue, Edmonton, Alberta T5M 3Z7. Telephone 780-342-0252, e-mail

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CASE PRESENTATION

In the spring of 2010, there was heightened awareness of measles infection in the physician community as a result of a public health notification related to several imported measles cases in Alberta. During this period, a 15-month-old child presented to his paediatrician’s office with irritability, a fever (38.8°C), a cough and conjunctivitis. The child had a five-day history of illness that began with an elevated temperature and a raised, sandpaper-like rash that originated at the occiput, and eventually spread to and covered the torso. There was mild cervical lymphadenopathy, and no rhinitis or Koplik spots. The child was not immunocompromised and had no significant medical history. Just 12 days before presentation to his paediatrician, the child was immunized with the M-M-R II vaccine (Merck Canada Inc). A thorough investigation by the Division of Population and Public Health, Alberta Health Services, revealed no significant travel history and no contact with any known measles patients in the preceding four weeks. All other members of the household were healthy and previously immunized with an MMR vaccine.
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Two weeks after the resolution of symptoms, the National Microbiology Laboratory reported the measles virus in both samples as being genotype A – 100% identical to Genbank entry #FJ2111583 (the Edmonston-Enders vaccine strain).
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It is known that measles can cause encephalitis...even the CDC admits this much...


Complications of Measles
...
Severe Complications

Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.

As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.
...

www.cdc.gov...

But you go ahead and keep claiming there is no such link...




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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 03:45 AM
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What, the above and all the other research are not enough and you need more proof?...


Measles Inclusion-Body Encephalitis Caused by the Vaccine Strain of Measles Virus

Ari Bitnun, Patrick Shannon,* Andrew Durward,*
Paul A. Rota, William J. Bellini, Caroline Graham,
Elaine Wang, Elizabeth L. Ford-Jones, Peter Cox,
Laurence Becker, Margaret Fearon, Martin Petric,
and Raymond Tellier

From the Divisions of Infectious Diseases, Pathology, Immunology, and
Microbiology, Department of Critical Care Medicine, The Hospital for
Sick Children, Toronto, Ontario, Canada; Measles Section, Division of
Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases,
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia; and Viral, Parasitic and
Immunodiagnostic Laboratory, Ministry of Health of Ontario, Toronto,
Ontario, Canada

We report a case of measles inclusion-body encephalitis (MIBE) occurring in an apparently
healthy 21-month-old boy 8.5 months after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. He had no prior
evidence of immune deficiency and no history of measles exposure or clinical disease.
During
hospitalization, a primary immunodeficiency characterized by a profoundly depressed CD8 cell
count and dysgammaglobulinemia was demonstrated. A brain biopsy revealed histopathologic
features consistent with MIBE, and measles antigens were detected by immunohistochemical
staining. Electron microscopy revealed inclusions characteristic of paramyxovirus nucleocapsids
within neurons, oligodendroglia, and astrocytes. The presence of measles virus in the brain tissue was
confirmed by reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction. The nucleotide sequence in the
nucleoprotein and fusion gene regions was identical to that of the Moraten and Schwarz vaccine
strains
; the fusion gene differed from known genotype A wild-type viruses.

...

cid.oxfordjournals.org...

The above is just one, of the many other examples i could post that this has been happening since at least 1967.



Pediatrics. 2004 Nov;114(5):e657-60.
A new complication of stem cell transplantation: measles inclusion body encephalitis.
Freeman AF1, Jacobsohn DA, Shulman ST, Bellini WJ, Jaggi P, de Leon G, Keating GF, Kim F, Pachman LM, Kletzel M, Duerst RE.
Author information

1Division of Infectious Disease, Department of Pediatrics, Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and Children's Memorial Hospital, 2300 Children's Plaza, Chicago, IL 60614, USA. freeman_alexandra@hotmail.com

Abstract

Measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) is a disease of the immunocompromised host and typically occurs within 1 year of acute measles infection or vaccination. We report a 13-year-old boy who had chronic granulomatous disease and presented 38 days after stem cell transplantation with afebrile focal seizures that progressed despite multiple anticonvulsants. After an extensive diagnostic evaluation, brain biopsy was performed, revealing numerous intranuclear inclusion bodies consistent with paramyxovirus nucleocapsids. Measles studies including reverse transcriptase-polymerase chain reaction and viral growth confirmed measles virus, genotype D3. Immunohistochemistry was positive for measles nucleoprotein. Despite intravenous ribavirin therapy, the patient died. MIBE has not been described in stem cell recipients but is a disease of immunocompromised hosts and typically occurs within 1 year of measles infection, exposure, or vaccination. Our case is unusual as neither the patient nor the stem cell donor had apparent recent measles exposure or vaccination, and neither had recent travel to measles-endemic regions. The patient had an erythematous rash several weeks before the neurologic symptoms; however, skin biopsy was consistent with graft-versus-host disease, and immunohistochemistry studies for measles nucleoprotein were negative. As measles genotype D3 has not been seen in areas where the child lived since his early childhood, the possibility of an unusually long latency period between initial measles infection and MIBE is raised. In addition, this case demonstrates the utility of brain biopsy in the diagnosis of encephalitis of unknown cause in the immunocompromised host.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 04:07 AM
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What is the cause of a rash after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination?
Med. J. Aust.
Med J Aust 1999 Aug;171(4):194-5
G A Jenkin, D Chibo, H A Kelly, P A Lynch, M G Catton

Surveillance and laboratory confirmation of measles will increase in importance as Australia implements enhanced measles control. We describe a 17-month-old child with fever and rash after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. Detection of vaccine-strain measles virus in his urine by polymerase chain reaction confirmed the diagnosis of a vaccine reaction rather than wild-type measles. We propose that measles virus should be sought and identified as vaccine or wild-type virus when the relationship between vaccination and measles-like illness is uncertain.
Affiliation
Victorian Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory, North West Health Care Network, Melbourne, VIC.

www.pubfacts.com...


CASE REPORT Open Access
Local public health response to vaccine-associated
measles: case report
Monica Hau 1,2*, Kevin L Schwartz 3,4, Crystal Frenette 1, Isabelle Mogck 1, Jonathan B Gubbay 3,4,5, Alberto Severini 6,7, Joanne Hiebert 6, Shelley L Deeks 2,5 and Shaun K Morris 3,4

Abstract
Background:
The most appropriate public health approach to vaccine-associated measles in immunocompromised
patients is unknown, mainly because these cases are rare and transmission of vaccine-associated measles has not
been previously documented. In this case report, we describe Peel Public Health

s response to a vaccine-associated
measles case in an immunocompromised child in Ontario, Canada.
Case presentation:

A five-year-old Canadian-born boy with a history of a hematopoetic stem cell transplant three
years previously received live attenuated measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. Over the subsequent 7 to
14 days, he developed an illness clinically consistent with measles. There was no travel history or other measles
exposure. Serology and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing confirmed acute measles infection. Following
discussion with pediatric infectious diseases specialists, but prior to the availability of virus sequencing, it was felt
that this case was most likely due to vaccine strain. Although no microbiologically confirmed secondary cases of
vaccine-associated measles have been previously described, we sent notification letters to advise all contacts of
measles symptoms since the likelihood of transmission from an immunocompromised patient was low, but
theoretically possible. We decided to stratify contacts into immune competent and compromised and to deal with
the latter group conservatively by excluding them as if they were exposed to wild-type measles because the risk of
transmission of disease in this population, while presumably very low, is unknown. However, no contacts
self-identified as immunocompromised and there were no secondary cases. Subsequent genotyping confirmed
that this case was caused by vaccine strain measles virus.


Conclusion:
The public health approach to contact tracing and exclusions for vaccine-associated measles in
immunocompromised patients is unclear. The rarity of secondary cases provides further evidence that the risk to
the general public is likely extremely low. Although the risk appears negligible, exclusion and administration of
immune globulin may be considered for susceptible, immunocompromised contacts of cases of vaccine-associated
measles in immunocompromised patients.
...

www.biomedcentral.com...

But you claim no such link... You have got to wonder what's wrong with whom...

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posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

Now post the links which show a causation from vaccines.
Or show me a study which links vaccines and mito dys to autism please.

If there is a link it should be easy to demonstrate.
If there isn't however...


Are you for real ?... Have to wonder since I have already posted those links SEVERAL TIMES, and all you do is "deny, deny, deny, deny" such link...


...
. Controls were all negative. The sequences obtained from the patients with Crohn's disease shared the characteristics with wild-strain virus. The sequences obtained from the patients with ulcerative colitis and children with autism were consistent with being vaccine strains. The results were concordant with the exposure history of the patients. Persistence of measles virus was confirmed in PBMC in some patients with chronic intestinal inflammation.
...





It's not even in all of the patients is it?
No, no it's not.
Does that show that the measles virus CAUSED the colitis or autism?
No, no it doesn't does it?

It's not even correlative.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

Now post the links which show a causation from vaccines.
Or show me a study which links vaccines and mito dys to autism please.

If there is a link it should be easy to demonstrate.
If there isn't however...


Are you for real ?... Have to wonder since I have already posted those links SEVERAL TIMES, and all you do is "deny, deny, deny, deny" such link...

But, if you want more recent findings which corroborate my statements, and corroborate other research including those from Japan, here you go.


Eurosurveillance, Volume 18, Issue 49, 05 December 2013
Rapid communications
Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013
M Murti ()1, M Krajden2, M Petric2, J Hiebert3, F Hemming1, B Hefford4, M Bigham1, P Van Buynder1

Fraser Health Authority, Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
Public Health Microbiology and Reference Laboratory British Columbia Centre for Disease Control, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
National Microbiology Laboratory, Public Health Agency of Canada, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1-1400 George St., White Rock, British Columbia, Canada

Citation style for this article: Murti M, Krajden M, Petric M, Hiebert J, Hemming F, Hefford B, Bigham M, Van Buynder P. Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, October 2013. Euro Surveill. 2013;18(49):pii=20649. Available online: www.eurosurveillance.org...
Date of submission: 15 November 2013

We describe a case of vaccine-associated measles in a two-year-old patient from British Columbia, Canada, in October 2013, who received her first dose of measles-containing vaccine 37 days prior to onset of prodromal symptoms. Identification of this delayed vaccine-associated case occurred in the context of an outbreak investigation of a measles cluster.

In this report we describe a case of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine-associated measles illness that was positive by both PCR and IgM, five weeks after administration of the MMR vaccine. Based on our literature review, we believe this is the first such case report which has implications for both public health follow-up of measles cases and vaccine safety surveillance.
...
Laboratory investigations
Laboratory testing for measles was performed on specimens collected on the day of rash onset. Measles RNA was detected in the nasopharyngeal swab by the RT-PCR assay [3]. Acute and convalescent measles specific IgM and IgG antibodies were detected in the blood by ELISA (Enzygnost Anti-Measles Virus IgM and IgG (Dade Behring, Marburg, Germany): IgM detectable (0.213), IgG 1294 mIU/mL, and IgM detectable (0.246), IgG 2,413 mIU/mL, respectively. Virus genotype was determined by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, Canada as vaccine strain, genotype A, MVs/British Columbia/39.13 [A] (VAC) [4]. Other virology testing found no detectable Parvovirus B19 specific IgG or IgM antibody, and detectable human herpesvirus (HHV)-6 specific IgG antibody but no detectable HHV-6 DNA.

www.eurosurveillance.org...


Paediatr Child Health. 2012 Apr; 17(4): e32–e33.
PMCID: PMC3381670


Differentiating the wild from the attenuated during a measles outbreak
Lindsay Nestibo, BN RN,1 Bonita E Lee, MD FRCPC MSC (Epi),2 Kevin Fonseca, PhD D(ABMM),3 Jennifer Beirnes,4 Marcia M Johnson, MD MHSc FRCPC,5 and Christopher A Sikora, MD MSc MPH CCFP FRCPC6
1Communicable Disease Control, Alberta Health Services;
2Paediatric Infectious Disease, University of Alberta;
3Provincial Laboratory for Public Health;
4National Microbiology Laboratory, Public Health Agency of Canada;
5Population and Public Health Division, Alberta Health Services;
6School of Public Health, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta
Correspondence: Dr Christopher A Sikora, University of Alberta, Suite 104 West Tower, Coronation Plaza, 14310–111 Avenue, Edmonton, Alberta T5M 3Z7. Telephone 780-342-0252, e-mail

...
CASE PRESENTATION

In the spring of 2010, there was heightened awareness of measles infection in the physician community as a result of a public health notification related to several imported measles cases in Alberta. During this period, a 15-month-old child presented to his paediatrician’s office with irritability, a fever (38.8°C), a cough and conjunctivitis. The child had a five-day history of illness that began with an elevated temperature and a raised, sandpaper-like rash that originated at the occiput, and eventually spread to and covered the torso. There was mild cervical lymphadenopathy, and no rhinitis or Koplik spots. The child was not immunocompromised and had no significant medical history. Just 12 days before presentation to his paediatrician, the child was immunized with the M-M-R II vaccine (Merck Canada Inc). A thorough investigation by the Division of Population and Public Health, Alberta Health Services, revealed no significant travel history and no contact with any known measles patients in the preceding four weeks. All other members of the household were healthy and previously immunized with an MMR vaccine.
...
Two weeks after the resolution of symptoms, the National Microbiology Laboratory reported the measles virus in both samples as being genotype A – 100% identical to Genbank entry #FJ2111583 (the Edmonston-Enders vaccine strain).
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

It is known that measles can cause encephalitis...even the CDC admits this much...


Complications of Measles
...
Severe Complications

Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.

As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.
For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.
...

www.cdc.gov...

But you go ahead and keep claiming there is no such link...


Whilst all you do is close your eyes and keep on re-posting the same links.
Gish-gallop.

Let's look in to your theory that since the vaccine can cause encephalitis and that you think that encephalitis causes autism (which it doesn't, autism ISN'T a brain injury) by your logic that would mean that measles causes autism.
Think about it.
There's a less than 1 in 1,000,000 chance that a child will get encephalitis from the vaccine.
There's a 1 in 1000 chance that they will get it from the measles (you posted that number).

Therefore, by your logic, if you get vaccinated you are a thousand times less likely to develop autism.
VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN.







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posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Whilst all you do is close your eyes and keep on re-posting the same links.
Gish-gallop.


I am not the one closing my eyes. You claimed among many things...


originally posted by: Pardon?
What a surprise.
No mention of vaccines at all in any of the studies you cite.
Keep digging.


Not to mention that you didn't even see that the only 2 links that i re-posted were the first two, to show that you are lying about me not posting evidence showing the link. The rest i added to show you and other members that despite you claiming there is no evidence, yes there is more evidence that does say the mmr vaccine can cause measles, and measles in turn CAN cause encephalitis, and this can regress children and make them autistic...

You claimed I have not posted any evidence that shows this link despite having done so numerous times. You just keep ignoring it because you don't like to be shown wrong.

I find it quite ironic that you keep changing your goal post... First making false claims, then claiming there is no evidence, even after providing evidence you keep denying that there is evidence...



originally posted by: Pardon?
...
Therefore, by your logic, if you get vaccinated you are a thousand times less likely to develop autism.
VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN.



Again, you keep ignoring that MMR is not the only vaccine that can cause these health problems...

Let's look at the facts and figures since you like to play around with figures. Let's look at the rise in autism...

In the 1970s and 1980s about 1 in 2000 children had autism.

Today 1 in 68 children has been identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

In the U.S. 1 in every 6 children has a developmental disability.
www.cdc.gov...

Obviously something is causing the rise. Are certain vaccines and their adjuvants the only cause?... No... But genetics only count for a percentage, and that percentage is not the majority as you have claimed.

It is ironic how you try to dismiss the fact that it isn't just the MMR vaccine that can cause autism... If you were to actually get your head out of the sand and read at least some of the information posted you would have seen that children get a myriad of vaccines, many of which have adjuvants such as AI, and compounds like ethylmercury...

When all these vaccines are combined the prevelance proportion of vaccines possibly causing neurological disorders or other healths problems increases dramatically. A lot higher than your figure of 1 in 1,000,000 chance of getting measles from mmr, and possibly causing encephalitis...

You keep changing goal posts. First, from claiming, or implying "vaccines are safe" or "no vaccine contains ethylmercury anymore" which you claimed on another thread dealing with this topic. (kind of ironic of you to ask me to link you saying that here when you said that in another thread dealing with this topic not that long ago)


originally posted by: Pardon?
I've just been having a look through the links you've provided (which seems to be more than you have with the ones I linked to...)
...
You keep on posting links about mercury being a factor in neurological disorders even though there's effectively no mercury in childhood vaccines and hasn't been since 1999 (even though that mercury was bound as a salt and was ethylmercury etc etc etc).
...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When the CDC itself states that the multi-dose flu shot, among OTHERS, still contain thimerosal...


...
Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations of the seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 2014–2015 Season.) Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.

The single-dose units are made without thimerosal as a preservative because they are intended to be opened and used only once. Additionally, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine (the nasal spray vaccine), is produced in single-dose units and does not contain thimerosal.

Is thimerosal being used in other vaccines?

Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children younger than 6 years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts of thimerosal, except for some formulations of influenza vaccine. The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the argument that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful. CDC and FDA continually evaluate new scientific information about the safety of vaccines.
...

www.cdc.gov...

Hence why i have stated that people have CHOICES... I keep wondering why you are so against people knowing that they have choices, or knowing that certain vaccines CAN cause neurological disorders and other health problems... Or why do you have so much of a problem with people asking for SAFER VACCINES... Of course, you lump everyone who dares say vaccines are not as safe and they should be as "anti-vaxxers". Which are only attemps to derail the thread.

You have also made other claims such as...


originally posted by: Pardon?
OH NOEZ! INGRDIEMENTZ & CHERMICURLS!!!

Anyway,

Just ignore what I've written like a good little anti-vaxxer.

Your body no more more exratcts mercury and aluminium from vaccines the same way as you body doesn't separate sodium and chloride (which incidentally are far more toxic in their elemental forms than anything you've posted) from natural salt.
I'm trying to keep the comparisons as simple as I think you mind can keep up with.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You have even claimed that ethylmercury, and AI, among other toxins doesn't accumulate in the human body, which is false. You have gone so far as claiming that the body can easily get rid of all toxins, but if that was true there would never be ANY toxicology reports of people with excess toxins, INCLUDING ethylmercury and AI...

Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines Containing Thimerosal

This despite the fact that several research studies do find ethylmercury, and AI, in brain tissue of animals and humans, as well as finding it on the hair and other tissue samples in children...

When your insults don't work, you try to derail the thread in other ways...

In the end you keep trying to change your goal post, and one has to wonder why you keep making so many false claims, and lies and trying to derail threads dealing with this topic in specific. And don't tell me "you are doing it for the children" because you have shown that your concern for the children ends when it is shown that certain vaccines can harm them as well.








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posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

It's not even in all of the patients is it?
No, no it's not.
Does that show that the measles virus CAUSED the colitis or autism?
No, no it doesn't does it?

It's not even correlative.


What the heck... Again?...

Do all smokers get cancer?... According to your logic since many smokers don't get cancer then smoking must be good for you and doesn't cause cancer at all...

AGAIN, the fact that certain vaccines CAN cause neurological disorders doesn't mean that EVERYONE will get them... But THERE IS A HIGHER RISK OF NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS FROM CERTAIN VACCINES....

As for those particular studies you were responding to... They show THE VACCINES infected those children with measles. We don't know for certain how many others have gotten infected with measles from vaccines.

This also shows another fallacy in your arguments claiming that all people who were not vaccinated must have gotten measles in the outbreaks and caused them, when there is the real possibility that at least some of the outbreaks were caused by the vaccines themselves...

Then we would have to also comment on the fact that not that long ago 2 more Merck virologists became whistleblowers and have accused and shown evidence that the pharmaceutical company Merck has been lying for decades about their vaccines. in particular the efficacy of their mumps vaccine which is the virus that is tested to see the efficacy of these vaccines.


June 27, 2012

27 Jun (PHILADELPHIA) – Merck has known for a decade that its mumps vaccine is “far less effective” than it tells the government, and it falsified test results and sold millions of doses of “questionable efficacy,” flooding and monopolizing the market, a primary caregiver claims in a federal antitrust class action.

Alabama-based Chatom Primary Care sued Merck on Monday, the week after the unsealing of a False Claims Act complaint two relators filed in 2010.

Those relators, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, were Merck virologists who claim in their unsealed complaint that they “witnessed firsthand the improper testing and data falsification in which Merck engaged to artificially inflate the vaccines efficacy findings.

Krahling and Wlochowski claimed Merck’s scheme caused the United States to pay “hundreds of millions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate immunization.”
...

www.omsj.org...

Then there are the other scandals including the scientist who was working with the CDC on vaccine safety and escaped with 2 million USD which he was supposed to have used in his research of the vaccine autism link...

Even though this has been known for a long while the CDC still uses the 36 research studies this man was a part of which exonerated vaccines.


A central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraud involving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.

Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote several key studies supporting CDC's claims that the MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children. Thorsen's 2003 Danish study reported a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after that country banned mercury based preservatives in its vaccines. His study concluded that mercury could therefore not be the culprit behind the autism epidemic.
...

www.huffingtonpost.com...

You kind of have to wonder don't you?...



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posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
...
Let's look in to your theory that since the vaccine can cause encephalitis and that you think that encephalitis causes autism (which it doesn't, autism ISN'T a brain injury) by your logic that would mean that measles causes autism.
Think about it.
...


As for that particular claim of yours...Even though i have ALREADY shown you are wrong, here...


Autism Spectrum Disorder Secondary to Enterovirus Encephalitis

Filipa Marques, MD1⇑
Maria João Brito, MD1
Marta Conde, MD1
Mónica Pinto, MD2
Ana Moreira, MD3

1Infectious Diseases Unit, Hospital Dona Estefânia, Centro Hospitalar Lisboa Central–EPE, Lisbon, Portugal
2Child Development Centre, Hospital Dona Estefânia, Centro Hospitalar Lisboa Central–EPE, Lisbon, Portugal
3Paediatric Neurology Unit, Hospital Dona Estefânia, Centro Hospitalar Lisboa Central–EPE, Lisbon, Portugal

Filipa Marques, MD, Infectious Diseases Unit. Hospital Dona Estefânia, Centro Hospitalar de Lisboa Central – EPE, Rua Jacinto Marto, 1169-045 Lisboa, Portugal. Email: filipa3marques@gmail.com

Abstract

Millions of children are infected by enteroviruses each year, usually exhibiting only mild symptoms. Nevertheless, these viruses are also associated with severe and life-threatening infections, such as meningitis and encephalitis. We describe a 32-month-old patient with enteroviral encephalitis confirmed by polymerase chain reaction in cerebrospinal fluid, with unfavorable clinical course with marked developmental regression, autistic features, persistent stereotypes and aphasia. She experienced slow clinical improvement, with mild residual neurologic and developmental deficits at follow-up. Viral central nervous system infections in early childhood have been associated with autism spectrum disorders but the underlying mechanisms are still poorly understood. This case report is significant in presenting a case of developmental regression with autistic features and loss of language improving on follow-up. To our knowledge, this is the first published report of enterovirus encephalitis leading to an autism spectrum disorder.

jcn.sagepub.com...

BTW, that is not the only case, I have already presented my argument and the evidence in this thread. You need to stop making up false claims.

Here, to show another older study that links encephalitis possibly leading to autism.


Dev Med Child Neurol. 2006 Feb;48(2):85-9.
Autism following a history of newborn encephalopathy: more than a coincidence?
Badawi N1, Dixon G, Felix JF, Keogh JM, Petterson B, Stanley FJ, Kurinczuk JJ.
Author information

1Department of Neonatology, The Children's Hospital at Westmead, University of Sydney, Australia.

Abstract

Between June 1993 and December 1996, 276 term newborn infants with encephalopathy and 564 randomly selected term controls were enrolled in a population-based study of moderate and severe term newborn encephalopathy (NE) in Western Australia. During comprehensive neurobehavioural and cognitive follow-up of all patients and controls at 3 years and again at 5 years of age we found an unexpected but strong association between NE and autism spectrum disorders (ASDs). A diagnosis of ASD by age 5 years was reached using criteria according of the Diagnostic Statistical Manual, 4th edition. Linking records to the Western Australian Disability Services Commission Register ensured that no child in the study with ASD was missed. By age 5 years, 37 (13.4%) infants with NE and one (0.2%) control had died. Among the 239 survivors of NE, 12 (5%) were diagnosed with an ASD. Of these, 10 (4.2%) met the full criteria for autism, one had pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified, and one had Asperger syndrome. Among the 563 surviving controls, five (0.8%) were diagnosed with an ASD: three with autism, one with autism/possible Asperger syndrome, and one with Asperger syndrome. Compared with the controls, the children who had experienced NE were 5.9 times (95% confidence interval 2.0-16.9) more likely to have been diagnosed with an ASD.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Also, you really need to learn the meaning of phrases like CAN CAUSE, among others... Can cause doesn't mean it will cause it 100% of the time...

One more thing... show where I wrote autism is a brain injury... I wrote encephalitis is a brain injury and can cause regressive autism... Which is different to what you are claiming I wrote...



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posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Great work. Sorry I missed it.

F&S&



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 04:36 AM
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Thanks, you also did a great job in your thread.

The more this info is shown the better. It might eventually be picked up by more and more people that we need REAL safe vaccines, instead we are being lied to even by agencies like the CDC, not to mention pharmaceutical companies like Merck, and don't get me started about all those doctors that like Thompson know vaccines are not as safe as people are being told and they are complicit in this...

This is a real crime against humanity.

I have to wonder how many parents with autistic children actually believe health authorities and don't think their children's autism was triggered by vaccines, when it is possible that it was. I am not saying all autism cases were caused by vaccines, but since so many doctors follow the example of the CDC, and other health agencies, there are parents, and other people who believe what these officials are telling them despite there being a plethora of evidence that refutes their claims.

If more parents did more research into those studies which link certain vaccines, like MMR, and compounds like ethylmercury, or adjuvants like AI (aluminum) to neurological disorders, and other health problems, we might get a big enough amount of parents demanding for the truth, and for truly safer vaccines.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thanks. And beyond vaccines - I don't believe "healthcare" based on commercialization, corruption and the profit-motive can ever be reliable. There's too much money on the table.


[I suspect you don't agree. But that's what I think.]







 
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