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The Real Next Level BS of the Vaccine Controversy.

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posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

You're doing it again aren't you?
Throwing in a single case report as evidence.
I'm guessing you got this via the recent "CNBNC" report?
Which wasn't actually a report but a news wire release from an anti-vaxxer organisation?
No matter.
It's a single case report.
As the other was.

As for the over-burden of the inflammatory system by giving 3 viruses at once trope.
How many viruses are being destroyed by your immune system at this very moment?
How many pathogens are neonates exposed to in the months prior to receiving the first MMR?

But it definitely has to be the vaccines doesn't it?
Err, when you look at it like that, no, no it doesn't.


Single case report?... i am sorry, which one of your multiple personalities am I responding to now? Because it seems that when I respond to you, suddenly you forget all the other correlations shown in dozens and dozens of research some other members and I have shown in this, and other threads relating to this topic...

BTW, again, MMR is not the only vaccine children and individuals get...


49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?

From birth to 18 months about 10 vaccines with half of them being 3-4 doses

As for more evidence?...


Wednesday, June 27, 2012Last Update: 10:32 AM PT

Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine
By REUBEN KRAMER

PHILADELPHIA (CN) - Merck has known for a decade that its mumps vaccine is "far less effective" than it tells the government, and it falsified test results and sold millions of doses of "questionable efficacy," flooding and monopolizing the market, a primary caregiver claims in a federal antitrust class action.
Alabama-based Chatom Primary Care sued Merck on Monday, the week after the unsealing of a False Claims Act complaint two relators filed in 2010.
Those relators, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, were Merck virologists who claim in their unsealed complaint that they "witnessed firsthand the improper testing and data falsification in which Merck engaged to artificially inflate the vaccine's efficacy findings."
Krahling and Wlochowski claimed Merck's scheme caused the United States to pay "hundreds of millions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate immunization."
"As the largest single purchaser of childhood vaccines (accounting for more than 50 percent of all vaccine purchases), the United States is by far the largest financial victim of Merck's fraud," according to the 2010 False Claims Act complaint. "But the ultimate victims here are the millions of children who every year are being injected with a mumps vaccine that is not providing them with an adequate level of protection. And while this is a disease that, according to the Centers for Disease Control ('CDC'), was supposed to be eradicated by now, the failure in Merck's vaccine has allowed this disease to linger, with significant outbreaks continuing to occur."
The United States told a federal judge in April that it did not want to intervene in the False Claims case, but reserved the right to do so later.
Chatom says in its antitrust complaint that Merck falsely claims its mumps vaccine is 95 percent effective.
That claim "deterred and excluded competing manufacturers," who would enter the risky and expensive vaccine market only if they believed they could craft a better product, Chatom says in its complaint.
Merck is the only manufacturer licensed by the FDA to sell the mumps vaccine in United States, and if it could not show that the vaccine was 95 percent effective, it risked losing its lucrative monopoly, according to the complaint.
That's why Merck found it critically important to keep claiming such a high efficacy rate, the complaint states.
And, Chatom claims, that's why Merck went to great lengths, including "manipulating its test procedures and falsifying the test results," to prop up the bogus figure, though it knew that the attenuated virus from which it created the vaccine had been altered over the years during the manufacturing process, and that the quality of the vaccine had degraded as a result.
Starting in the late 1990s, Merck set out on its sham testing program with the objective of "report[ing] efficacy of 95 percent or higher regardless of the vaccine's true efficacy," the complaint states.
Chatom says Merck initially called its testing program Protocol 007.
Under Protocol 007, Merck did not test the vaccine's ability to protect children against a "wild-type" mumps virus, which is "the type of real-life virus against which vaccines are generally tested," the complaint states.
Instead, Chatom says, Merck tested children's blood using its own attenuated strain of the virus.
"This was the same mumps strain with which the children were vaccinated," the complaint states.
That "subverted" the purpose of the testing regime, "which was to measure the vaccine's ability to provide protection against a disease-causing mumps virus that a child would actually face in real life. The end result of this deviation ... was that Merck's test overstated the vaccine's effectiveness," Chatom claims.
Merck also added animal antibodies to blood samples to achieve more favorable test results, though it knew that the human immune system would never produce such antibodies, and that the antibodies created a laboratory testing scenario that "did not in any way correspond to, correlate with, or represent real life ... virus neutralization in vaccinated people," according to the complaint.
Chatom claims that the falsification of test results occurred "with the knowledge, authority and approval of Merck's senior management."
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www.courthousenews.com...




posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

You're doing it again aren't you?
Throwing in a single case report as evidence.
I'm guessing you got this via the recent "CNBNC" report?
Which wasn't actually a report but a news wire release from an anti-vaxxer organisation?
No matter.
It's a single case report.
As the other was.

As for the over-burden of the inflammatory system by giving 3 viruses at once trope.
How many viruses are being destroyed by your immune system at this very moment?
How many pathogens are neonates exposed to in the months prior to receiving the first MMR?

But it definitely has to be the vaccines doesn't it?
Err, when you look at it like that, no, no it doesn't.


Single case report?... i am sorry, which one of your multiple personalities am I responding to now? Because it seems that when I respond to you, suddenly you forget all the other correlations shown in dozens and dozens of research some other members and I have shown in this, and other threads relating to this topic...

BTW, again, MMR is not the only vaccine children and individuals get...


49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?

From birth to 18 months about 10 vaccines with half of them being 3-4 doses

As for more evidence?...


Wednesday, June 27, 2012Last Update: 10:32 AM PT

Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine
By REUBEN KRAMER

PHILADELPHIA (CN) - Merck has known for a decade that its mumps vaccine is "far less effective" than it tells the government, and it falsified test results and sold millions of doses of "questionable efficacy," flooding and monopolizing the market, a primary caregiver claims in a federal antitrust class action.
Alabama-based Chatom Primary Care sued Merck on Monday, the week after the unsealing of a False Claims Act complaint two relators filed in 2010.
Those relators, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, were Merck virologists who claim in their unsealed complaint that they "witnessed firsthand the improper testing and data falsification in which Merck engaged to artificially inflate the vaccine's efficacy findings."
Krahling and Wlochowski claimed Merck's scheme caused the United States to pay "hundreds of millions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate immunization."
"As the largest single purchaser of childhood vaccines (accounting for more than 50 percent of all vaccine purchases), the United States is by far the largest financial victim of Merck's fraud," according to the 2010 False Claims Act complaint. "But the ultimate victims here are the millions of children who every year are being injected with a mumps vaccine that is not providing them with an adequate level of protection. And while this is a disease that, according to the Centers for Disease Control ('CDC'), was supposed to be eradicated by now, the failure in Merck's vaccine has allowed this disease to linger, with significant outbreaks continuing to occur."
The United States told a federal judge in April that it did not want to intervene in the False Claims case, but reserved the right to do so later.
Chatom says in its antitrust complaint that Merck falsely claims its mumps vaccine is 95 percent effective.
That claim "deterred and excluded competing manufacturers," who would enter the risky and expensive vaccine market only if they believed they could craft a better product, Chatom says in its complaint.
Merck is the only manufacturer licensed by the FDA to sell the mumps vaccine in United States, and if it could not show that the vaccine was 95 percent effective, it risked losing its lucrative monopoly, according to the complaint.
That's why Merck found it critically important to keep claiming such a high efficacy rate, the complaint states.
And, Chatom claims, that's why Merck went to great lengths, including "manipulating its test procedures and falsifying the test results," to prop up the bogus figure, though it knew that the attenuated virus from which it created the vaccine had been altered over the years during the manufacturing process, and that the quality of the vaccine had degraded as a result.
Starting in the late 1990s, Merck set out on its sham testing program with the objective of "report[ing] efficacy of 95 percent or higher regardless of the vaccine's true efficacy," the complaint states.
Chatom says Merck initially called its testing program Protocol 007.
Under Protocol 007, Merck did not test the vaccine's ability to protect children against a "wild-type" mumps virus, which is "the type of real-life virus against which vaccines are generally tested," the complaint states.
Instead, Chatom says, Merck tested children's blood using its own attenuated strain of the virus.
"This was the same mumps strain with which the children were vaccinated," the complaint states.
That "subverted" the purpose of the testing regime, "which was to measure the vaccine's ability to provide protection against a disease-causing mumps virus that a child would actually face in real life. The end result of this deviation ... was that Merck's test overstated the vaccine's effectiveness," Chatom claims.
Merck also added animal antibodies to blood samples to achieve more favorable test results, though it knew that the human immune system would never produce such antibodies, and that the antibodies created a laboratory testing scenario that "did not in any way correspond to, correlate with, or represent real life ... virus neutralization in vaccinated people," according to the complaint.
Chatom claims that the falsification of test results occurred "with the knowledge, authority and approval of Merck's senior management."
...

www.courthousenews.com...


You posted a single case report as evidence.
That what I responded to.
I've responded to pretty much all of the others too telling you they're not the evidence you think they are.

As for all of the real evidence I have shown you, have you even looked at it?
As not once have you been able nor even tried to refute it. You just go off on your gish-gallop again.
But just in case you still don't understand the MMR autism thing here's a study done in Japan after the MMR was discontinued.
www.medicine.ox.ac.uk...

And the whole vaccines/autism thing.
www.sciencedirect.com...
(Your refutation of this was that it didn't contain VAERS reports...please? Is that it?)


As for the "evidence" in your second link...as far as I know that's a private action court case that hasn't even been heard yet, it's just going through the preliminary stages and no judgement has been made.
I am correct aren't I?
So why are you using it as evidence of anything?

What was it you said about "disinfo agent" again?



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

You posted a single case report as evidence.
That what I responded to.
I've responded to pretty much all of the others too telling you they're not the evidence you think they are.


Riiight...just because you say so, it must be it...

Now, I am going to ask you to stop posting, because it is obvious you are only derailing the topic. And that's your job in these forums, to simply derail all topics having to do with a link between vaccines and possible harm they may cause...


Vaccines and Autism
Bernard Rimland, PhD, Woody McGinnis, MD
Autism Research Institute, San Diego, CA

Vaccinations may be one of the triggers for autism. Substantial data demonstrate immune abnormality in many
autistic children consistent with impaired resistance to infection, activation of inflammatory response, and autoimmunity. Impaired resistance may predispose to vaccine injury in autism.

A mercurial preservative in childhood vaccines, thimerosal, may cause direct neurotoxic, immunodepressive, and autoimmune injury and contribute to early onset and regressed autism. Live viruses in measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) may result in chronic infection of the gut and trigger regressed autism. Thimerosal injection may potentiate MMR injury.
Consideration of vaccine etiology must include recognition of compromised gut and nutrition in most autistic children. An integrated view of the underlying biological problems in autistic children serves our understanding of the possible role of vaccines. Development of screening methods for deferral of vaccines in at-risk children is a worthy goal.
...

labmed.ascpjournals.org...

But there is no such evidence... Heck, you put several dozens of such research and to "pardon?" they don't exist... He suddenly becomes blind, and proclaims to be the expert and none of those doctors and experts/specialists know what they are talking about... Only Pardon? and his vaccine manufacturing buddies know what they are talking about...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You can't ask someone to stop posting....maybe If you did he may.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
...
And the whole vaccines/autism thing.
www.sciencedirect.com...
(Your refutation of this was that it didn't contain VAERS reports...please? Is that it?)
...


LOL, VAERS is the system where all U.S. vaccine adverse events are logged, and your meta-analysis decided not to use it. Which means they did the same to similar reporting systems used in other countries...

So, what happens to a meta-analysis that is supposed to find a link between vaccines and autism, when you maliciously take out the majority of reports of adverse effects from vaccines?... humm?...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:57 AM
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To Electricuniverse



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

You posted a single case report as evidence.
That what I responded to.
I've responded to pretty much all of the others too telling you they're not the evidence you think they are.


Riiight...just because you say so, it must be it...

Now, I am going to ask you to stop posting, because it is obvious you are only derailing the topic. And that's your job in these forums, to simply derail all topics having to do with a link between vaccines and possible harm they may cause...


Vaccines and Autism
Bernard Rimland, PhD, Woody McGinnis, MD
Autism Research Institute, San Diego, CA

Vaccinations may be one of the triggers for autism. Substantial data demonstrate immune abnormality in many
autistic children consistent with impaired resistance to infection, activation of inflammatory response, and autoimmunity. Impaired resistance may predispose to vaccine injury in autism.

A mercurial preservative in childhood vaccines, thimerosal, may cause direct neurotoxic, immunodepressive, and autoimmune injury and contribute to early onset and regressed autism. Live viruses in measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) may result in chronic infection of the gut and trigger regressed autism. Thimerosal injection may potentiate MMR injury.
Consideration of vaccine etiology must include recognition of compromised gut and nutrition in most autistic children. An integrated view of the underlying biological problems in autistic children serves our understanding of the possible role of vaccines. Development of screening methods for deferral of vaccines in at-risk children is a worthy goal.
...

labmed.ascpjournals.org...

But there is no such evidence... Heck, you put several dozens of such research and to "pardon?" they don't exist... He suddenly becomes blind, and proclaims to be the expert and none of those doctors and experts/specialists know what they are talking about... Only Pardon? and his vaccine manufacturing buddies know what they are talking about...


You see, that's your problem.
You keep posting stuff which isn't evidence.
Just because you say it is doesn't mean it is.
You've posted a commentary there as evidence.
That's essentially someone's opinion.
Someone, a psychologist, who believed that vaccines were responsible for autism (I say it in the past tense as the author has sadly passed away).

That's not, in any scientific method you can think of, evidence.
And to add to that, the commentary is 13 years old.
Our knowledge has proven his opinion to be wrong.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

Mahahaha.

So true.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?
...
And the whole vaccines/autism thing.
www.sciencedirect.com...
(Your refutation of this was that it didn't contain VAERS reports...please? Is that it?)
...


LOL, VAERS is the system where all U.S. vaccine adverse events are logged, and your meta-analysis decided not to use it. Which means they did the same to similar reporting systems used in other countries...

So, what happens to a meta-analysis that is supposed to find a link between vaccines and autism, when you maliciously take out the majority of reports of adverse effects from vaccines?... humm?...



Look, why don't you admit you don't know aht VAERS is for?
It's no big deal, lots of people use it incorrectly.

VAERS reports are those which are filed in respect of something happening after a vaccination.
It doesn't matter whether there is a connection between an event and the vax, it can still be reported.
If something HAS been proven to have been cause by vaccines AFTER it's been reported to VAERS then it will be recorded in the medical notes.
Then, and only then, would it be used in safety studies.

Why would any self-respecting researcher use unsubstantiated data in his research?
(Oh, we're back to Wakefield again...)



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 08:04 AM
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The real sad thing is about this thread look at the amount of stars and flags...
I hope for every star it doesn't mean an idiot parent not vaccinating their kids.
If people are stupid enough not to maybe it is time for mandatory vaccines.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

ATS should do a poll for those with kids asking two questions..

1) Did you vaccinate your child?
2) Does your child have autism?

Correlate data.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

You see, that's your problem.
You keep posting stuff which isn't evidence.
Just because you say it is doesn't mean it is.
You've posted a commentary there as evidence.
That's essentially someone's opinion.
Someone, a psychologist, who believed that vaccines were responsible for autism (I say it in the past tense as the author has sadly passed away).

That's not, in any scientific method you can think of, evidence.
And to add to that, the commentary is 13 years old.
Our knowledge has proven his opinion to be wrong.



You see, that's your problem, you either never read the information, or on purpose you leave out facts... Such as in that study it wasn't just a psychologist... But also a MD, Dr. Woody McGinnis... But of course, you are going to make up another convoluted excuse in your continual ad hominem attacks, and defamation... Meanwhile ignoring all the evidence put in front of you.


J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2011;74(14):903-16. doi: 10.1080/15287394.2011.573736.
A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.
Delong G1.
Author information

1Department of Economics and Finance, Baruch College/City University of New York, New York, New York, USA. gayle.delong@baruch.cuny.edu

Abstract

The reason for the rapid rise of autism in the United States that began in the 1990s is a mystery. Although individuals probably have a genetic predisposition to develop autism, researchers suspect that one or more environmental triggers are also needed. One of those triggers might be the battery of vaccinations that young children receive. Using regression analysis and controlling for family income and ethnicity, the relationship between the proportion of children who received the recommended vaccines by age 2 years and the prevalence of autism (AUT) or speech or language impairment (SLI) in each U.S. state from 2001 and 2007 was determined. A positive and statistically significant relationship was found: The higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher was the prevalence of AUT or SLI. A 1% increase in vaccination was associated with an additional 680 children having AUT or SLI. Neither parental behavior nor access to care affected the results, since vaccination proportions were not significantly related (statistically) to any other disability or to the number of pediatricians in a U.S. state. The results suggest that although mercury has been removed from many vaccines, other culprits may link vaccines to autism. Further study into the relationship between vaccines and autism is warranted.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64.
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
Singh VK1, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.
Author information

1Department of Biology and Biotechnology Center, Utah State University, Logan, Utah 84322, USA. singhvk@cc.usu.edu

Abstract

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.

Copyright 2002 National Science Council, ROC and S. Karger AG, Basel

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

But of course, according to "certain people" there is no such link...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
...
If something HAS been proven to have been cause by vaccines AFTER it's been reported to VAERS then it will be recorded in the medical notes.
Then, and only then, would it be used in safety studies.

Why would any self-respecting researcher use unsubstantiated data in his research?
(Oh, we're back to Wakefield again...)


No, they stated that they excluded all reports that use VAERS, since other countries use similar reporting systems it is obvious those were also excluded...



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
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VAERS reports are those which are filed in respect of something happening after a vaccination.
It doesn't matter whether there is a connection between an event and the vax, it can still be reported.
If something HAS been proven to have been cause by vaccines AFTER it's been reported to VAERS then it will be recorded in the medical notes.
Then, and only then, would it be used in safety studies.

Why would any self-respecting researcher use unsubstantiated data in his research?
(Oh, we're back to Wakefield again...)


Yet here we are again with you making up claims which are wrong... and the worse part is that it is obvious you know it, but don't want to admit it.

Let's see the actual facts.


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Vaccines are developed with the highest standards of safety. However, as with any medical procedure, vaccination has some risks. Individuals react differently to vaccines, and there is no way to predict how individuals will react to a particular vaccine.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) requires health care providers to report adverse events (possible side effects) that occur following vaccination, so the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)External Web Site Icon and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) established the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)External Web Site Icon in 1990. VAERS is a national passive reporting system that accepts reports from the public on adverse events associated with vaccines licensed in the United States. VAERS data are monitored to–
...

www.cdc.gov...


5/15/2014 @ 1:10PM 14,789 views
Vaccines, Thimerosal, MMR, Mercury Not Associated With Autism
...
The articles included in their review were any prospective (planned before data collection) or retrospective (planned after data collection) cohort and case-control (pairing study participants with and without a specific variable for comparison) studies. They excluded studies that used the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System as their population because, as the authors note, there is a limitation of:
...

www.forbes.com...

Any research that used VAERS had been excluded... That means if any research study reported using any information from the VAERS, it wasn't included in this meta-analysis... So again you made up another false claim.



posted on Mar, 8 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
The real sad thing is about this thread look at the amount of stars and flags...
I hope for every star it doesn't mean an idiot parent not vaccinating their kids.
If people are stupid enough not to maybe it is time for mandatory vaccines.


The sad part is that there actually are people who give you stars based on nothing but insults coming from you. That's the really sad part, and that's the only argument you have to give, as well as those people... nothing but insults...

edit on 8-3-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 03:50 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

You see, that's your problem.
You keep posting stuff which isn't evidence.
Just because you say it is doesn't mean it is.
You've posted a commentary there as evidence.
That's essentially someone's opinion.
Someone, a psychologist, who believed that vaccines were responsible for autism (I say it in the past tense as the author has sadly passed away).

That's not, in any scientific method you can think of, evidence.
And to add to that, the commentary is 13 years old.
Our knowledge has proven his opinion to be wrong.



You see, that's your problem, you either never read the information, or on purpose you leave out facts... Such as in that study it wasn't just a psychologist... But also a MD, Dr. Woody McGinnis... But of course, you are going to make up another convoluted excuse in your continual ad hominem attacks, and defamation... Meanwhile ignoring all the evidence put in front of you.



The psychologist was the lead author of the commentary.
Woody McGinnis is an alternative practitioner specialising in "autism nutrition".
But what they do (did) doesn't matter as it's still only their opinion.
So there's no ad hom nor defamation, just critique.
It's not a research study and their premise and conclusion are biased towards each other.
Anyone who understands the scientific method would tell you this.
It doesn't matter whether the commentary was about autism & vaccines or chemtrails and GMO.
Their conclusion was pre-decided. That's not how research works.



posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse


J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2011;74(14):903-16. doi: 10.1080/15287394.2011.573736.
A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.
Delong G1.
Author information

1Department of Economics and Finance, Baruch College/City University of New York, New York, New York, USA. gayle.delong@baruch.cuny.edu

Abstract

The reason for the rapid rise of autism in the United States that began in the 1990s is a mystery. Although individuals probably have a genetic predisposition to develop autism, researchers suspect that one or more environmental triggers are also needed. One of those triggers might be the battery of vaccinations that young children receive. Using regression analysis and controlling for family income and ethnicity, the relationship between the proportion of children who received the recommended vaccines by age 2 years and the prevalence of autism (AUT) or speech or language impairment (SLI) in each U.S. state from 2001 and 2007 was determined. A positive and statistically significant relationship was found: The higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher was the prevalence of AUT or SLI. A 1% increase in vaccination was associated with an additional 680 children having AUT or SLI. Neither parental behavior nor access to care affected the results, since vaccination proportions were not significantly related (statistically) to any other disability or to the number of pediatricians in a U.S. state. The results suggest that although mercury has been removed from many vaccines, other culprits may link vaccines to autism. Further study into the relationship between vaccines and autism is warranted.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


This one isn't dissimilar to the previous one whereby it starts off with the usual fallacies in the abstract.
"Rise in autism a mystery". Is it?
"One of those triggers might be the battery of vaccinations that young children receive" it certainly wasn't thought that in 2011 when this was published.
She also cites references by Mark Blaxhill who runs Age of Autism, a particularly savage anti-vax site, David Greier who I've mentioned in earlier posts, Russell Blaylock who is a chemtrail believer and an HIV/AIDS denier and she also references an anti-vax homeopath James Compton Burnett, from 1884.

So you can see where this is going can't you?
The rest of the "study" is just as bad.
But what would you expect from a medical study done by someone who is trained in economics and finance and has no medical background whatsoever.
You lot will believe anything that supports your belief irrespective of what it is.
That's bad.
scienceblogs.com...




posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse



J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64.
Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
Singh VK1, Lin SX, Newell E, Nelson C.
Author information

1Department of Biology and Biotechnology Center, Utah State University, Logan, Utah 84322, USA. singhvk@cc.usu.edu

Abstract

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism.

Copyright 2002 National Science Council, ROC and S. Karger AG, Basel

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But of course, according to "certain people" there is no such link...


It's a strange study this one as Singh has been the only one to actually produce this data.
(Which again is based upon the false premise that "...many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies")
This may be down to one or two reasons:
The fact that the autistic children didn't have any nerve damage,
And the fact that the tests he used to detect the antibodies wouldn't actually detect them.

Add to that Dr Singh promotes lots of alternative therapies for autistic children and then also add this study which shows that there's no evidence of measles in kids with ASD and I think I'm done.
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posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 04:32 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?
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VAERS reports are those which are filed in respect of something happening after a vaccination.
It doesn't matter whether there is a connection between an event and the vax, it can still be reported.
If something HAS been proven to have been cause by vaccines AFTER it's been reported to VAERS then it will be recorded in the medical notes.
Then, and only then, would it be used in safety studies.

Why would any self-respecting researcher use unsubstantiated data in his research?
(Oh, we're back to Wakefield again...)


Yet here we are again with you making up claims which are wrong... and the worse part is that it is obvious you know it, but don't want to admit it.

Let's see the actual facts.


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Vaccines are developed with the highest standards of safety. However, as with any medical procedure, vaccination has some risks. Individuals react differently to vaccines, and there is no way to predict how individuals will react to a particular vaccine.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) requires health care providers to report adverse events (possible side effects) that occur following vaccination, so the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)External Web Site Icon and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) established the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)External Web Site Icon in 1990. VAERS is a national passive reporting system that accepts reports from the public on adverse events associated with vaccines licensed in the United States. VAERS data are monitored to–
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5/15/2014 @ 1:10PM 14,789 views
Vaccines, Thimerosal, MMR, Mercury Not Associated With Autism
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The articles included in their review were any prospective (planned before data collection) or retrospective (planned after data collection) cohort and case-control (pairing study participants with and without a specific variable for comparison) studies. They excluded studies that used the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System as their population because, as the authors note, there is a limitation of:
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Any research that used VAERS had been excluded... That means if any research study reported using any information from the VAERS, it wasn't included in this meta-analysis... So again you made up another false claim.


Cherry-picking again?
Of course you are.
You missed out this part, after "as the authors note, there is a limitation of:"
Here is the missing part (it's quite important)

"high risk of bias including unverified reports, underreporting, inconsistent data quality, absence of an unvaccinated control group and many reports being filed in connection with litigation.
There’s good reason for that exclusion–this is, after all, a database that has included reports that vaccines turned people into superheroes.
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So, like I said, they didn't use VAERS but had there been a VEARS report which was shown to be caused by vaccines that would have been used as that would be included in databases outside of VAERS.
Which bit don't you get?

The fact that you left out the explanation of why VAERS wasn't used just highlights your utter dishonesty.



posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: boymonkey74
The real sad thing is about this thread look at the amount of stars and flags...
I hope for every star it doesn't mean an idiot parent not vaccinating their kids.
If people are stupid enough not to maybe it is time for mandatory vaccines.


The sad part is that there actually are people who give you stars based on nothing but insults coming from you. That's the really sad part, and that's the only argument you have to give, as well as those people... nothing but insults...


Insults are never needed but what is far, far worse is the dishonesty you and your ilk promote and try to justify with nonsense.



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