How Crazy am I to think I know where MH370 is? Jeff Wise in NY Magazine

a reply to: Psynic

YouTube videos are not proof of anything. Come on you have to know this. It's a video social media. Anyone can put any kind of garbage that they believe on there. Nothing is vetted for accuracy, nothing is monitored for content except I guess porn which has its own tube available. For every vid that claims one theory there's another that negates it. I'd be embarrassed submitting a YT vid as evidence of anything. Which is why I never have.

a reply to: Psynic

Finally you see the light.

a reply to: jaffo

Don't hold your breath. This craps been going on for pages and pages.
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: rebelv

Not even close. It's still owned by the UK with the US leasing the base facilities. It's a major base for US forces in the region. There's no way they'd sell it to anyone ever if they bought it from the UK.

Okay I stand corrected, so we're leasing the base. I wasn't aware there were
U.S. forces there as well. Apparently there are also Israeli forces otherwise why
would Israel get the blame for launching a missile at a submarine in international
waters but very close to Diego Garcia unless there were also an Israeli base on the
island.

Rebel 5

a reply to: rebelv

Geez louise...

I guess since we have subs off the Russian and Chinese coasts we must also have sub bases in China and Russian?

I was unaware that modern subs were so limited in range. I guess I learn something new every day... even if that something new is crappola.

The best line from the article:

"Soon after, the story ended the way most news stories do: We just stopped talking about it."

Lol. That's the truth

originally posted by: twentyeight
The best line from the article:

"Soon after, the story ended the way most news stories do: We just stopped talking about it."

Lol. That's the truth

Indeed and in particular to the OP article, it's a very insightful opinion piece but it still doesn't solve the mystery of where MH-370 has gone.

I also noticed another story saying the plane went to Antartica, seriously

No plane (as in wreckage) means it could be anywhere, probably about the only definite thing you could say about this case

a reply to: rebelv

Because they didn't. They launched missiles FROM a sub in the area, testing a new capability on their subs, and possibly a new missile.

a reply to: drock905

In the weeks after MH370 disappeared, an American President travelled to Malaysia for the first time in decades.

www.youtube.com...

Listen to his message at the 17 minute mark.

Is this motive?

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: SteeBoo
Consider this.

The feds still maintain that TWA 800 was brought down by bad wiring, despite 90% of commercial pilots saying it was a missile.

They lied about it because the truth would cause way too much panic among the population.

I think we are looking at the exact same deal here.

If they went public and said the plane landed in Kazakhstan the public would be outraged and demand a response. Which I think is exactly what Putin wants, and exactly what ObamaCo fears the most.

So they did what they do best, they lied.

I was unaware that all of the World's pilots had been interviewed and that 90% of them agreed a missile brought that plane down. Odd that if a missile brought that plane down, it has never happened again. Also odd that if it were truly what happened, "they" (scary music here) would not have used that reality to get us into a war, right? Which kind of sort of means that no, it was not a missile. Hard to keep all of the wacky theories around here playing nice with each other, huh? ;-)

90% of TWA pilots, sorry for not clarifying.

And TWA was likely shot down by our own Navy, not by terrorists or a foreign power.

Not going to get in depth into the case, you can read, and Google.

The point was that when the powers that be decide the truth will do too much harm, they lie.

originally posted by: SteeBoo

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: SteeBoo
Consider this.

The feds still maintain that TWA 800 was brought down by bad wiring, despite 90% of commercial pilots saying it was a missile.

They lied about it because the truth would cause way too much panic among the population.

I think we are looking at the exact same deal here.

If they went public and said the plane landed in Kazakhstan the public would be outraged and demand a response. Which I think is exactly what Putin wants, and exactly what ObamaCo fears the most.

So they did what they do best, they lied.

I was unaware that all of the World's pilots had been interviewed and that 90% of them agreed a missile brought that plane down. Odd that if a missile brought that plane down, it has never happened again. Also odd that if it were truly what happened, "they" (scary music here) would not have used that reality to get us into a war, right? Which kind of sort of means that no, it was not a missile. Hard to keep all of the wacky theories around here playing nice with each other, huh? ;-)

90% of TWA pilots, sorry for not clarifying.

And TWA was likely shot down by our own Navy, not by terrorists or a foreign power.

Not going to get in depth into the case, you can read, and Google.

The point was that when the powers that be decide the truth will do too much harm, they lie.

I am not going to go and Google to try and prove your baseless assertion.

Just another offering of two pennies.

An interesting read. Until there is some other evidence recovered, this seems to bear as much weight as any other theory, including the southern arc search area. I personally think there is something nefarious about this disappearance. There are just too many factors.

We are to believe they just watched this plane go offline (turned off manually from the plane), make some radical flight path changes, and then just let it fly off for 7 more hours like the one that got away.

Minus all of the technical details that have been researched and explained so well by others, there are a lot of missed opportunities...nay, responsibilities is more apt, that TPTB would have performed unless there was something already known.

The events of this flight leading up to the time it was lost off radar were extremely suspicious, you would think they would calculate a min / max range (from that last radar reading) in several directions, then scramble search interceptors out ahead in those zones and lit up onboard radar. They had it on ground radar for almost an hour after communications lost...tracking the altitude changes and all. Even giving it 15 - 20 minutes of grace period after going offline and off course and beginning the search, it would still be confined to right around northern Indonesia.

I am leaning toward this order of the options:

1. Highjacking that was either destroyed or shot down and then covered up (multiple witnesses seeing burning plane).
2. Something like this gentleman postulated in the article...maybe somewhere else.
3. The O/S about the crash in the southern IO.

My opinion as a JAFO (Blue Thunder movie reference for you young en's)

Peace!

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: rebelv

Geez louise...

I guess since we have subs off the Russian and Chinese coasts we must also have sub bases in China and Russian?

I was unaware that modern subs were so limited in range. I guess I learn something new every day... even if that something new is crappola.

I have no idea what you're talking about; seriously.

I wasn't able to find the story, but the sub was Iranian or something,
and from what I remember it was in international waters just off of
Diego Garcia when it was hit by an Israeli anti-sub missile and destroyed,
illegally, BTW.

Rebel 5

a reply to: rebelv

And you think Iran wouldn't retaliate? I'm not even sure Iranian subs can make it that far. They're optimized for brown water operations, not blow water. That's a long way to go for a crew that specializes in shallow near to shore operations.

The only Israeli missile fired anywhere near Diego Garcia was a missile test with one of their Dophin class submarines.

Sinking another nation's ships in international waters is an act of war. No way would Iran keep quiet and key them get away with that.

a reply to: SteeBoo

All I got were blog spots saying the flight was shot down. I didn't find a single thing saying 90% of TWA pilots believe this. So if you have something that's not a blog claiming the plane was shot down I'd like to see it.

a reply to: jaffo

I did and came up empty handed.

originally posted by: drock905

I imagine everyone who comes up with a new theory, even a complicated one, must experience one particularly delicious moment, like a perfect chord change, when disorder gives way to order. This was that moment for me. Once I threw out the troublesome BFO data, all the inexplicable coincidences and mismatched data went away. The answer became wonderfully simple. The plane must have gone north.

Using the BTO data set alone,I was able to chart the plane’s speed and general path, which happened to fall along national borders.Fig. 21 Flying along borders, a military navigator told me, is a good way to avoid being spotted on radar. A Russian intelligence plane nearly collided with a Swedish airliner while doing it over the Baltic Sea in December

How Crazy am I to think I know where MH370 is? Jeff Wise in NY Magazine


More from the article:

I realized that I already had a clue that hijackers had been in the E/E bay. Remember the satcom system disconnected and then rebooted three minutes after the plane left military radar behind. I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out how a person could physically turn the satcom off and on. The only way, apart from turning off half the entire electrical system, would be to go into the E/E bay and pull three particular circuit breakers. It is a maneuver that only a sophisticated operator would know how to execute, and the only reason I could think for wanting to do this was so that Inmarsat would find the records and misinterpret them. They turned on the satcom in order to provide a false trail of bread crumbs leading away from the plane’s true route.

This was just published a few hours ago and I found it very interesting. It's a pretty long essay but the evidence seems very convincing.

He claims what he has discovered leads to the theory that the plane was hijacked by very sophisticated hijackers. They were able to spoof the satellite data transmissions and then fly the plane to Kazakhstan where it was hidden. He names the suspected landing strip complete with satellite images and goes into detail on how it could have been done.

Back to the OP.

Jeff Wise's "new" theory has leapt to the top of the charts.

www.theweek.co.uk...

I say "new" because it's really the same as the original contentions that the A/C went north, only now Wise is blaming it on Putin.

Could it be were getting warmer and this MSM journalist is doing a little preemptive damage control for when the Northern Arc is proven to be the final location of MH370?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yea, I agree. It may not have been Iranian. I forget the details
of the story now, and tried to find it, but don't have a lot of
time on the internet to search for it. So, forget I mentioned it.

Rebel 5

a reply to: drock905

Again, back to the subject of the original post.

"Nobody seems to care anymore".

www.theguardian.com...

Lot of deliberately misleading talk here of the "northern corridor" route has people confused about the actual flightpath to the Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan region.

Most are still confused by the satellite maps showing the northern and southern arcs, interpreting them to mean that the A/C flew ALONG those curves over Thailand, China, Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia as this map erroneously suggests:

i.dailymail.co.uk...

MH370 needn't have flown a route over the "borders" of these countries as some here would have you believe, but instead could have stayed away from all radar by flying up the middle of the Indian Ocean into the Bay of Bengal, only crossing the coast in the vicinity of Bangladesh and then passing between Bhutan and Nepal, countries not known for state of the art air traffic control or air force interceptor capabilities.

i.imgur.com...

This theory is reinforced by the last GENUINE radar position of the A/C, which was reported to be on a course towards the Andaman islands.

www.news.com.au... 54085211

Try this link instead, the above will not allow itself to be pasted.
www.icao.int...