17 yo girl killed by police--Now threats by Anonymous?

a reply to: real_one

Notice I wrote "weapon-weilding," not "knife-weilding."

In fact, I mention "weapon" a second time in my post to which you replied--specifically because it's uncertain as to which type of weapon she had.

I actually find if very telling that my entire response to yours was discussing waiting for facts (which, concerning my response to you, you seem to have mixed up) and your lack of discussing the reported actions of the girl (which you say you discussed in a later post), and yet all you do is ignore my question and throw an incorrect accusation at me. IF I ever mentioned a knife in another post, that's because that's the only report I had read. Obviously, in my response to you, I had learned otherwise and never used the word "knife."

And since you seem to have an issue with the word "wielding," here you go:

wield /wēld/
verb

hold and use (a weapon or tool).

If that doesn't describe what we know about the incident thus far, feel free to correct me...just make sure your response is accurate and doesn't misstate what I actually say.

Oh, and my question still stands: Is what she did a normal thing to you?

The cop should have called for back up initially.

He got too aggressive.

She was almost a match for him strength-wise. Those girls can be surprisingly strong.

He got tired, or out of breath, she didn't.

He threw her head first onto the floor when he didn't have to.

Then she was Mad and intended to kill him--and she likely would have if he hadn't shot her.

He had to sit down almost immediately---out of shape? heart issues? hung-over? Something wrong physically.

Disturbed young individual with knife attacks poorly trained and ? physically challenged cop---gonna be a bad outcome.

Could easily have been worse---dead cop and dead girl.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Maybe it is my own perspective in all this for if she came at me it wouldn't be much of a fight. A knight is really not deadly unless a person knows how to use it.

You've obviously never been trained to deal with or use a knife in a confrontational, life-threatening situation. The person with the knife doesn't need to "[know] how to use it" in order for it to be deadly.

In fact--and this is saying a LOT on this thread--that's possibly the most ignorant comment I've read on here so far. You are over-emphasizing the girl's age, size, and presumed abilities with a knife. When there is a deadly weapon involved, the playing field is level and you do what you need to in order to protect your life (and, as a cop, the lives of those around you). I don't disagree that there could have been a non-lethal solution, but that's Monday-morning quarterbacking at its best from someone who wasn't there, and I know better than to use that tactic to try and sound intelligent.

You don't seem to understand law enforcement, and that's fine--but you shouldn't voice your opinions so loudly when you don't have a clue as to how real life happens. Instead of preaching so adamantly about the wrongdoings of the officers, take a moment and reflect on the stupidity of the girl. Mental problems or not, she obviously premeditated the entire confrontation, which shows a cognitive ability that can not absolve her of her wrongdoing--IMO, of course. I'm no mental health expert.

I actually posted pictures showing her holding the knife in a reverse grip, and a picture of the alleged knife itself for evidence.

Close up with knife

The alleged knife

Edit to add:

And for the Taser fanboy a few posts back, this was about the moment the cop in the middle unsuccessfully tried to use his. It was when that failed and the original cop on the left had scurried back away from her as she charged him with the weapon she was shot by him and the female officer on the right.

I just watched the police security video.

How anyone can question the officer's need to fire his weapon escapes all logic when you keep in mind that one of his jobs is also to protect himself if necessary. She appears to have raised the apparent knife in a stabbing motion while quickly advancing at the officer--I'd have shot, too, even though I've trained in hand-to-hand knife defense.

Anyone who knows anything will tell you that an assailant with a knife is exponentially more dangerous/deadly than one with a gun.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: High5Ghost
This means if someone has a knife and is slashing with it trying to maim or kill then lethal force can be used.

So someone needs to ask...

You are a trained cop with full gear on... you see a small girl with a knife that seems to have mental issues, no one round but other officers, at what point do you shoot her? At what point do you trade, at worst, stitches for her life?

All I'm saying is you CAN use lethal force but it's down to proportionality. It's very easy to react and say what you would do but until you're in the situation then it is just talk. I think personally lethal force is never the first option unless it is exceptional circumstances.


I have now seen the video and the footage seems poor at best. There are probably better angles but is the only one being released. This was not exceptional circumstances. How about walk away? Lock the foyer doors with her being the only one there.

The cop could have tasered her if he had it available (do ALL cops In USA have them?)

On the other hand would you risk a small laceration or full on puncture wound resulting in infection and/or instant death?

originally posted by: High5Ghost
I have now seen the video and the footage seems poor at best. There are probably better angles but is the only one being released. This was not exceptional circumstances. How about walk away? Lock the foyer doors with her being the only one there.

There's a 'good' uncensored zoomed in version on Live Leak if you search for "CCTV (uncensored/closeup) of Texas Cops Shooting a Girl of 17."

The cop could have tasered her if he had it available (do ALL cops In USA have them?)

No offence, but for about the 20th time in this thread, including my post 2 posts above yours - they DID try and tase her. It DIDN'T work so THEN they shot, and this was all in period of 1-2 seconds.

originally posted by: AgentSmith

originally posted by: High5Ghost
I have now seen the video and the footage seems poor at best. There are probably better angles but is the only one being released. This was not exceptional circumstances. How about walk away? Lock the foyer doors with her being the only one there.

There's a 'good' uncensored zoomed in version on Live Leak if you search for "CCTV (uncensored/closeup) of Texas Cops Shooting a Girl of 17."

The cop could have tasered her if he had it available (do ALL cops In USA have them?)

No offence, but for about the 20th time in this thread, including my post 2 posts above yours - they DID try and tase her. It DIDN'T work so THEN they shot, and this was all in period of 1-2 seconds.

OK thanks. If I'm honest I didn't see it in the video. Probably not the only one as it's rubbish quality. And yes it had been mentioned and I'm a bit thick and have been commenting when I should have been sleeping haha.

a reply to: High5Ghost

No worries, sorry I was a bit twattish in my reply. I'm just grumpy, like... all the time :-)

a reply to: Sremmos80

So in USA now if you wish to suicide you just need to find a cop and he will help you.

And if you wish to live you should avoid police at all cost?

Few of my friends live in america I just hope they can adopt To this

a reply to: AgentSmith

Notice what is taking place at all three of those examples you provided. The same thing you are condemning and insulting people for in this thread. If we can question the mistakes of anyone else why not law enforcement?

Of course that would require determining that a mistake was made which some are not likely to do. For some, cops are infallible and any action is the right action. Just like some might think cops are inherently evil and any action is the wrong action.

I think the first officer immediately initiated force and escalated this delicate situation beyond repair. I do not think that was the appropriate response. Others disagree. Doesn't mean I think I'm Jackie Chan. Nor does it mean I find the need to insult those who disagree with me. I'll leave that pettiness for others.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
You've obviously never been trained to deal with or use a knife in a confrontational, life-threatening situation. The person with the knife doesn't need to "[know] how to use it" in order for it to be deadly.

In fact--and this is saying a LOT on this thread--that's possibly the most ignorant comment I've read on here so far. You are over-emphasizing the girl's age, size, and presumed abilities with a knife. When there is a deadly weapon involved, the playing field is level and you do what you need to in order to protect your life (and, as a cop, the lives of those around you). I don't disagree that there could have been a non-lethal solution, but that's Monday-morning quarterbacking at its best from someone who wasn't there, and I know better than to use that tactic to try and sound intelligent.

I got only 30 years of military experience, being in every contingency/war since Panama... And if I shot everyone that I viewed as dangerous I would have 1000s of kills.

You don't seem to understand law enforcement, and that's fine--but you shouldn't voice your opinions so loudly when you don't have a clue as to how real life happens. Instead of preaching so adamantly about the wrongdoings of the officers, take a moment and reflect on the stupidity of the girl. Mental problems or not, she obviously premeditated the entire confrontation, which shows a cognitive ability that can not absolve her of her wrongdoing--IMO, of course. I'm no mental health expert.

Yep, I have no clue to how real life happens.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Anyone who knows anything will tell you that an assailant with a knife is exponentially more dangerous/deadly than one with a gun.

Damn we been doing it all wrong in the military all these years. Care to prove your point by bringing a knife to a gun fight?

So, would you shoot a 10 year old or a 5 year old or 3 year old with a knife. At what point does the physical attributes of the assailant come in play here when it is not a surprised move?

originally posted by: High5Ghost

I have now seen the video and the footage seems poor at best. There are probably better angles but is the only one being released. This was not exceptional circumstances. How about walk away? Lock the foyer doors with her being the only one there.

I thought about the same thing. It seems though that cops are only trained to continually increase the pressure up to lethal force with no other options. In Portland there was a big issue about how cops handled people with mental illnesses, and this typical method of continued amping up the force was taking situations from just talking to lethal conclusions when other options were available. We also see this in the case with people who have not dealt with cops in their life and get confused when someone starts screaming orders at them and they do not instantly comply.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey


Anyone who knows anything will tell you that an assailant with a knife is exponentially more dangerous/deadly than one with a gun.

Don't expect to have much credibility after that silly statement.

a reply to: Tusks

He had to sit down almost immediately---out of shape? heart issues? hung-over? Something wrong physically.

if this is the case he has no business being a cop,or at least his ass should have been firmly planted behind a desk....

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It looks like he's having an emotional episode more than anything.

The guy just fought a girl for what he thought was a gun, then she charged him with a knife, and he shot her. Some people have a bad reaction to shooting their first deer. I can imagine he was absolutely devastated and sometimes all that adrenaline can make you feel physically ill.

I would have probably been crying if I were him. I know I would be balling after I got some privacy.

Go to 1:55 in this video. Then go to 4:29.



When they are about to place the girl on the stretcher he turns his chair around, I'm guessing because he's having a real hard time emotionally. Then other cops escort him out of the room. The entire time it appears the other police are consoling him but not the other two cops that were present when she was shot.

a reply to: Domo1

i agree the emotional response would be tough and sometimes debilitating after experiencing something like this,....my response to tusks was based on him insinuating the officer involved was unfit for the job he is tasked with...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

my response to tusks was based on him insinuating the officer involved was unfit for the job he is tasked with...

I suppose I should have responded to his post directly.

I don't think I saw anything to indicate he was unfit for duty, just emotionally devastated.

a reply to: Tusks

AAAAANNND UNJUST SHOOTING.
He had control of her, multiple chances to tazer, cuff, mace, etc. It actually looks like she may have been cuffed when she ran at him and was shot.

The cop had her wrestled down. They were in no threat. This is another murder by cops of someone seeking help for mental illness.

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The cop had control of her.