mommy is mean. mommy did it

No amount of teaching will show someone with a lack of intelligence the right way to deal with situations. If you didn't like that way you were treated as a child, you need to have intelligence and empathy in order to not continue that cycle of abuse. Obviously one of those two traits are missing from this idiot.

I typed this in the above post but it isn't showing for me...

a reply to: Scouse100

Yes.
Being a product of a violent upbringing doesn't give you a free pass to harm others.
I can have sympathy but also realize some are broken people and "unfixable".

There are PLENTY of people who experienced this [and worse] during their childhood. Some for the entirety of their childhood, yet they don't grow up to perpetuate that cycle of violence.

Your right to life ends when you harm others for no reason, ESPECIALLY children!

....again, it really IS that simple.

a reply to: superman2012

I typed this in the above post but it isn't showing for me...

Had the same problem. Edited my post, and found a left arrow < next to the end quote. Removed it and all was well.

originally posted by: Scouse100
For those who want to see this woman dead/beaten or whatever, I am interested to know how you would feel if the abused child went on to inflict an injury upon her own child in years to come as a result of being totally messed up by what happened to her as a child? Would you see her dead too?

Yes, I would.

I have all kinds of f#@^ed up things that happened when I was young. Does that give me an excuse to commit those very same acts???

All this blaming others for horrendous acts committed is one of the MAJOR problems in this world.

If anything, how I was treated made me become the exact opposite of the person committing said acts.

People need to be made to own what they do.

I'm sorry if this offended you, it was really my dads fault.

REALLY?????

originally posted by: Scouse100
Would you see her dead too?

yup.
no question

originally posted by: Jakal26


There are PLENTY of people who experienced this [and worse] during their childhood. Some for the entirety of their childhood, yet they don't grow up to perpetuate that cycle of violence.

Your right to life ends when you harm others for no reason, ESPECIALLY children!

....again, it really IS that simple.

agreed.
i watched my mother be physically abused by my father for years.
once i hit about 5 years old he started in on me.

i told myself i would never be that way.
i have never laid a hand on any woman i have ever been with. even through arguments with my wife i have not even called her a filthy name.
my son is 18 and i never so much as spanked him....he is a fine, responsible young man too.

my daughter is 2. i get frustrated quite often but would chew my #in arm off before i hurt her.

my grandfather was abused as a child too. he had 4 kids and never laid a hand on them. he and my grandmother have been married for like 60 years. he has never laid a hand on her.

then you have people like my father. he was abused by his father and saw his father abuse his mother and went on to do the same thing.
my dad died 8 years ago.
killed himself. the world is a better place without him. i didnt go to the funeral. i have never visited his grave.

people make their own choices.
this lady chose to abuse her kid(s)
i dont care why. the fact is she did.

kick her down a well leonidas style

a reply to: Grovit

Exactly!
And this post gives me chills. Got some s*it to do but check in for an edit, I want to respond to this a bit more in a little while.

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a reply to: Jakal26

Yes I agree some people are 'unfixable' but why the obession with retribution I wonder? If we really want to break the cycle and stop this happening again and again we need to intervene before it's too late and look at why people get to be like this.

It's irrelevent really that not all abused kids will grow up to be abusers as there are so many other factors that come into play (genes, personality, support network etc...) some people are just unlucky enough to have the wrong mix. We do know that abuse often repeats itself over and over down the line, yes it's wrong but it's happening and there's obviously a reason for it so let's try and tackle it. Simply threatening jail or even death is not going to change these people, they still do it and I'm sure everyone here agrees that the aim is to stop this happening?

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a reply to: elevatedone

I was wondering when someone was going to do something about all this revenge fantasy death porn.

Its a never ending circle of violence. The mom abuses the kid, kill the mom. The kid grows up, abuses her kid because she was abused as a kid, kill her too.

Where does it end?

What if it was one of your daughters that abused their child in this manner? Would you still want her killed for her crimes?

Don't answer that, actually. I think I already know the answer.

The point is: some of you like to act like stone cold BAs but at heart you are actually cowards to whom death is the only solution to our troubles.

Its so easy to stand where you are advocating the murder of mentally ill individuals without any modicum of knowledge regarding how or why they got that way.

Even when a parayer is made in hopes of somehow alleviating this young child's suffering, some of you even chose to attack that simple, loving suggestion.

I would suggest a long hard look in a mirror.

Kallisti

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat


Its so easy to stand where you are advocating the murder of mentally ill individuals without any modicum of knowledge regarding how or why they got that way.

some see murder. others see justice
has she been diagnosed as mentally ill?
i might have missed that part

a reply to: Grovit

Do mentally sound individuals typically abuse their children? C'mon man.

Justice would be a lifelong incarceration. Justice and murder are not synonymous, despite what many seem to believe.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: Grovit

Do mentally sound individuals typically abuse their children? C'mon man.

Justice would be a lifelong incarceration. Justice and murder are not synonymous, despite what many seem to believe.

i will refer to her as mentally ill when she is diagnosed as such.
if every person that abused their children was in fact mentally ill, then they would all be in a mental hospital, on meds, and in therapy
not prison
so, yeah

lifelong incarceration is your idea of justice. not mine

lifelong incarceration and justice are not synonymous, despite what many seem to believe

The world is full of mentally ill people who are not being treated in any way.
I suppose you think a perfectly sane person could possibly do something like this? reply to: Grovit

a reply to: Grovit

jus-tice [juhs-tis] 1. noun the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.

dictionary.reference.com...

Justice, in its broadest context, includes both the attainment of that which is just and the philosophical discussion of that which is just. The concept of justice is based on numerous fields, and many differing viewpoints and perspectives including the concepts of moral correctness based on ethics, rationality, law, religion, equity and fairness. Often, the general discussion of justice is divided into the realm of social justice as found in philosophy, theology and religion, and, procedural justice as found in
the study and application of the law.

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Wherein does justice involve the killing of transgressors? It is so easy to become blinded by revenge lust and a primal thirst for the blood of those in which you perceive as "guilty".

What is justice but a matter of moral perception? If I was born during the days of witch trials the religions of the day would have felt justified in pressing me to death because they believed it was just retribution for my perceived transgressions, which, at best, were misunderstood.

Now, we know that this woman is messed up. But what would killing her solve besides fueling your need to see the transgressor burn?

There is absolutely no excuse for what this woman did. There is also no excuse for killing her. It would be an empty gesture borne of negative emotions and unbalanced thinking. We are better than that.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat


What is justice but a matter of moral perception?
But what would killing her solve besides fueling your need to see the transgressor burn?

There is absolutely no excuse for what this woman did.

it is all moral perception.
my moral compass allows for the death penalty in this case.
i said what it would solve twice now. it is the only way to be 100% sure she will never hurt anyone ever again.
if there is no excuse then why are you and others using the excuse that she is mentally ill?

a reply to: Grovit Mean mommy and mean Grandma are being charged. First thing would be to permanently remove the child from the family and put her into "witness protection" a few states away with loving, adoptive parents. These would be her "real parents" until she was 21. A story line can be generated so she can be sure that she was not at fault.
Part of the sentence should be mean mommy getting 2 years off her 7 year sentence by undergoing voluntary sterilization so there is no chance of repeat. Then the remaining years on chain gang work for all guilty parties so that they can be rehabilitated.