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End Game : How the Russians and Chinese attack the West

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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: YouNeedMe
a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Blaming Russia.. how USA of them. The dollar is on it's way out, there's no stopping that now. The world has had enough of Americas Sh*t


One has to wonder why with all the land and oil fields Russia is said to have why they need to import anything.


To save their for hard times.. like when the US imposes sanctions




posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:26 AM
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a reply to: YouNeedMe


They need to get on it then. Its hard to figure how a country that in the past has demonstrated some industrial capacity should be hurt by sanctions. What ever become of all that big talk over the early part of last century and beyond about the birth of the workers utopia? So they end up getting in a position to need capitalist power to float them for decades.

Lenin really gutted and destroyed Russian agriculture and industry.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate


it was best to level him.

Thats what we do,take down governments and level countries.

On another note, how's the oil pipeline in Afghanastan going by the way?

(?)

Afghanistan is geographically vital as well as mineral resources like Lithium.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: Logarock


LOL. It was more like if I cant have them then they wont have them. Maybe Sadam was addressing deeper philosophical things. lol.

Sadam was a Russian stooge when he invaded Kuwait. Testing the waters, paying some bills, firing some SCUDs. ect.

Thanks, I am aware of the official 'story'.

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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The US or Europe does not need Russia's Oil. The USA has abundant of oil untapped. They only allow Russia to sell their oil so that dollars can be traded worldwide. This will keep the dollar strong and dominant to the world.

The moment Russia or any nations decide to trade oil for gold or other currency. This will make the central bankers mad because it's their fiat currency they are betting against.

So the solution is to pump out more oil because they can and they have abundant of oil if u believe in the abiotic oil theory, just to cut the prices in half and bankrupt the nations that betrayed the central bankers.

Obviously, they can't go to war with Russia like Iraq or Libya because it would be suicide, so they will just hold down prices long enough to bankrupt them.

That is pretty much what's going on.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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What I would do if were Putin (I don't know if he is doing it) is what the US did in the 1930s. The US government vigorously mined gold to build up their reserves. Russia has untold amounts of gold. They do not have to buy it. They have it in their own ground, and all they have to do is go and get it. With a strong dollar, it degrades the prices of all commodities proportionately, and as Russia sells oil and natural gas at lower prices because of it, they can proportionately continue to accumulate gold the same as before. This dollar manipulation game will have no effect on Putin developing a commodity based Ruble.
So if The West is again trying to bankrupt Russia with a strong US dollar, they would do it for that reason, and although they could have done it before for the benefit of the American people, they don't care. They are practically admitting they have always manipulated the $US at their whim for reasons that had nothing to do with the interests of the population. As that is what they have always done and denied it, Putin has exposed them. Most of the reason this is all going on is because Putin consistently makes The Western leaders look stupid. When it comes to military confrontation, Putin appeals to Western militaries to not follow orders, degrading their Chain of Command. Putin encourages Western hubris backing what the Western leaders view as their chess pieces into a corner where these military chess pieces will simply not kill or be killed on command. On the other hand, with Putin's approval rating in Russia, his people will conscientiously and unbreakably do what they are told. Here, on command, maybe we will or maybe we won't obey orders. Indeed, it is a time game in Putin's favor.
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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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Come to think of it, Putin does not even have to mine gold to back the Ruble. All he needs is proven reserves in deposits. Many gold mining companies stock book value is based upon proven reserves. This does not have to simply be a matter of unmined proven gold reserves, but any valuable commodity. The physical gold Russia has is enough for day to day operations for a hard Ruble, the rest can be left in provable reserves, and Russia is good to go. All Putin has to do now is announce it.


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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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East live without McDonald's baseball and gay parades, west without Russian resources stinking corpse



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien




people can cope for several years with such conditions far more easier than you think.


How about this...

You try and go with the same conditions, for the same amount of money they would spend, and tell me if you wouldn't want something to change.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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The only once who are really complaining A LOT about the Russian sanctions are not the Russians them selves, but the EU.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

No Russia is not under attack.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Russia and the rest of the world wants to end US dollar hegemony.

End of story.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj
There is only one true "economic" asset worth anything on earth. Neither gold nor paper money nor diamonds...it's land. If you want to see who is in the front row. follow the land deals


Can you follow up with some statistics.. i am interested in what you
say about this topic.. i know nothing here!
edit on Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:28:22 -0600285America/ChicagoFriday4 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 05:34 PM
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If US dollar stops to be media of trade, US becomes the country to work for its well being. Elite won't agree with this set of mind.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: darkorange
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Russia and the rest of the world wants to end US dollar hegemony.

End of story.




and its not...

The US dollar is not the only currency used for oil.
The US dollar is not the only currency used as a reserve currency.

End of story.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien



Thus, the Western world, built on the hegemony of the petrodollar, is in a catastrophic situation. In which it cannot survive without oil and gas supplies from Russia. And Russia is now ready to sell its oil and gas to the West only in exchange for physical gold!


No, that is a very wrong idea. We have done quite well without Russia and their oil for a century previously.

WE showed them where and how to get oil out of their country. Putin got into power and kicked the American companies out, stole the oil rigs and nationalized Russia's oil all for himself, wiping out the BILLIONS the U.S. companies had invested in finding and drilling.

Putin then went and took all the money the U.S. gave Russia to destroy their nuclear weapons that were agreed upon to be destroyed in the INF and Start treaty's properly and started using that money to build NEW Nuclear missiles.

Putin then Invades the little nation of Georgia with no good dam reason.

Putin then Invades and Annexed Crimea from Ukraine. Ukraine has been trying to get away from Russia for ten plus years. Lets not forget that Putin even poisoned the one would be president of Ukraine and thankfully he still won after the country had then rose up in the Orange Revolution and demanded a Recount of the vote. Putin is a snake.
en.wikipedia.org...

Putin then sends regular Russian Army officers and men into east Ukraine to start a gorilla war against the Government and people of Ukraine that are sick and tired of living in Soviet era slums instead of being prosperous and free of the Russian Gangsters.

Russia started this war, pure and simple. They do not have a snowballs chance in hell of winning it.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

...and it all has nothing to do with the West itself of course.

The whole country wasn`t privatized under Western puppet Yeltsin with miserable conditions for the ordinary Russians.

And there where also no NATO advisers in Georgia.

And Henry Kissinger was lying about The West making mistakes in the Ukraine.

Cognitive dissonance or just simple lack of knowledge ?



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 09:06 PM
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Am I the only one amazed at how low people will go, how mean people will get for what is, for all intents and purposes, a shiny rock?



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The dollar could collapse tomorrow. You know what would happen? Everyone would want to collect the debt they are owed in dollars. We would smile and sit behind a battle hardened modern military and tell them to come and collect.

It really is like that.

They dont want war. They dont want to upset things. They want OUR system with them in our place. It will never happen. Not until they change fundamentally. All that would happen is that things would reshuffle, end up in their historical roles and we would come up again. WHY? Because we have changed fundamentally. We are not our historical precedent.

China and Russia would end up going to war with each other soon enough. Without us as their bogeyman they would eat each other alive. The world without the US would be a living hell beyond the limitations of the dark ages until someone like us popped up again.

There is really nothing new to all this. Brains and brawn win over just brains or just brawn. The UK and US /west are not going anywhere..... Not for another couple hundred years when a new thought prevails over what we will become.

Nothing of the past will overcome us though. China and Russia are just re-hatched societies in a modern world that others created.


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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

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WE showed them where and how to get oil out of their country.


Enough to write "We", "WE" is a sign of American special status ?

On serious note, former USSR was producing oil and gas in large quantities before BP got the hand on much of their rigs lol.




If we consider the time period of the mid-1980's to the mid-1990's, Soviet and former Soviet oil production declined from a high of 12.66 million barrels per day in 1987 to a low of about 7 million barrels per day in 1995 (BP 1996).
www.hubbertpeak.com...

Look at this figure also from wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org.../File:Russia_Oil_Production.png

2. Russia Georgia war, look here - European report, which is also not very favorable to Russia but closer to truth.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

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Putin then went and took all the money the U.S. gave Russia to destroy their nuclear weapons that were agreed upon to be destroyed in the INF and Start treaty's properly and started using that money to build NEW Nuclear missiles.



Total BS, show me one instance when USA GAVE money lol


However USSR



In the 1970's and 1980's the Soviet Union was trying to get Eastern Europe to cut its reliance on oil especially from the Soviet Union so that it could export more oil for foreign hard currency (CIA, 1985). Before 1989, the Soviets provided as much oil as Eastern Europe needed using a bartering system (FBIS, 1989). In reality the oil was given away at well below world prices (Balabanov and Deitz 1991). The Soviet Union was practically giving away its oil to Eastern Europe, Cuba and North Korea in order to hold up their economies and Soviet influence.
www.hubbertpeak.com...

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And now most of the chaos in Ukraine because Russia demanding that they pay like all other oil/gas consumers.
Or they could enjoy former SU policies with subsidized prices and closer relations with Rusiia. However Ukraine wanted "special prices" and special status with Europe. It is not acceptable. They want to go West , please pay like Germany and the rest.
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