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End Game : How the Russians and Chinese attack the West

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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

You are clearly insane... this is an exact rehash of '50s-era Red Scare. Where is this "attack on the West" you're talking about?

Russia sold oil for gold?

China got wealthy and extended its trade abroad?

Crimea decided to secede from Ukraine and ally itself with Russia?

...wait, even if Russia did send too many troops to Crimea during that declaration by the Parliament of no longer recognizing Kiev's authority, how it THAT an "attack on the West"???

This kinda stuff is full of complete logical fallacy, and it keeps coming.




posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 10:29 PM
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I agree with most everything said here. 1913 federal reserve, fiat currency, 2% built inflation,1973 Nixon petro dollar, raiding fort knox, development of paper oil, paper gold, futures trading, etc etc etc. Its a hot potato paper game.

And yet, IMO the BRICS would not have gotten this far if it was not intended by the TPTB. Everyone knows the bankster are always funding both sides of any conflict. This is no different, a conflict between US/IMF/ world bank/petro dollar and on the other side, the BRICS.

Who is to say that this is not a planned scenario, like the movie the Matrix. You know the artificial construct will implode, so you build another matrix and then proceed in an orderly fashion to move to the new paradigm. "Out with the old and in with the new."

After 100 years of federal reserve and built in inflation, the US dollar is set to become worthless. Growth in money in circulation is nearing exponential growth. Last I heard it was $1 trillion just to finance the debt, and I don't think that covers a full year of interest. That works out to $12,000 for a family of four for less than one year. That simply is not repayable, ever.

Anyone who cares to know, should already know the US dollar is doomed. Those left holding US dollars when the music stops will be the real losers. The banksters surely know this, and that why having the BRICS and a new world reserve currency on the horizon is just too convenient. IMO its also why Obama is dismantling the US nuclear stockpile, because if the US government does not survive the coming collapse, then all that has been planned by TPTB could be undone at the press of a button.

But there are a great many variables that are unknown, for example, are the Neo cons in on this and if they are not, are they willing and able to follow a plan of scorched earth and the US economy collapses. Another variable is whether Putin is an atheistic jew in the same manner as the bolsheviks and those that bankrolled the bolhesviks, or is he in the employ of TPTB or is his conversion to Christianity and his stance against the money changers genuine, or maybe his conversion is yet to come. And what about the Chinese, they have been the beneficiaries of the exodus of US manufacturing that started with Nixon, not a coincidence IMO. Will the Chinese play this game or will they seize this opportunity, when the US is hobbled, and overturn the TPTB and regain their economic dominance in the world that was taken from them by black nobility, the banksters and the British crown. The Chinese have a long memory and a revenge motive.

There is so much at play here. Putin and Obama and others remind me of the movie "the Skulls." they all belong to the same group, they are all playing the same game to the same ends but they are competing and jockeying for position within their order and they will even kill each other, but nevertheless they are in the same club.

IMO I am suspicious of the BRICS and the fight between US and Russia. It looks very orchestrated and controlled to maximize emotional and psychological impact without any threat the real order of things. If the US and Russia were to engage in full out war, the people in the highest positions with the most to lose should be very vocal and attempting to calm things down, but they are not and so I am skeptical. Time will tell and these are interesting times.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
Russia is not selling oil for Gold. In fact one thing that is helping the Russian oil companies (although nobody else in Russia) is that they are selling oil for dollars and paying expenses in Rubles. While that does nothing for Russia is does make take the sting out things for those oil companies. Kind of ironic.


Russia needs, and I'll say it again NEEDS over $110 a barrel just to stay afloat. Seems the OP doesn't realize that their oil and gas is what pays for the economy and it is kind of hard to save gold when you got bills to pay. Now cut you income in 1/2 or less and see if even the bills get paid either...i.e. 17% interest rates over night...

When Russia hits hyper inflation and 50% interest rates do we say Putin won? That sly devil...hehe


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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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a reply to: dieseldyk

TPTB was at some point financing bolsheviks through Stalin Baku Gang.
www.texemarrs.com...
Don't take this small report at face value, but definitely something was brewing between Stalin gang and some oil magnates in Baku.
For instance Baku and whole Azerbajan was part of Russian Empire, so saying such thing after brief collapse of RE is somehow exaggeration


In April of 1920, Lenin, following orders from the Rockefeller-Rothschild cartel, went into action in Baku. Bolshevik troops and irregulars attacked and conquered the country of Azerbaijan and launched an all-out assault on Baku.

But Puitn seems to be really pissing them off, probably he was their protégé, but they loose control of him somehow.

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Just watch what Putin saying in Russian
youtu.be...
He is saying openly many things that only on conspiracy sites appears here, like USA is supporting terrorism, that is his words.
Do you think it is a clever game of TPTB ?
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 01:11 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Russia its budget is based on $100, it simply need now to adjust. It`s not like Russia is now losing on oil.

So yes, there comes less money now in the pocket of the Kremlin, but there still comes money in the pocket by selling oil and gas, besides the economy of Russia in not total about selling oil, the rest is 46%. So the total effect is exaggerated if you only think they sell oil. So Russia has 27% less to spend budgetary wise with oil at 50$.

The Rouble seems to have been stabilised by the measures taken, still Russia has other options if needed to protect the Rouble. Capital control is the most effective measure to be taken in such scenarios, but is only used as the last measure. If the Rouble becomes unstable again there a good change we will see capital control coming in place.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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a reply to: Echtelion

Maybe actual read the links too, so you can understand it`s an attack on the Petrodollar, and when that goes, US isn`t able to pay for its troops and thus military bases it has over the World anymore.

Shortly, the Petrodollar works in you need Dollars to buy oil, but oil sellers receive them too after sale. The Petrodollar recycle system works like this, the oil revenue Dollars are used to buy US debt after that, giving the US an unlimited debt card and allowing it to have an ridiculous amount of debt (all the liabilities 100 Trillion $ right now).

Only now Russia and China are not doing that anymore, they use part of that money to buy other resources and Gold. The physical Gold market is too small (only about an Olympic swimming pool filled) to be conversed all into Gold. So at the moment Russia is just using part of the Oil revenues to convert into Gold and is in that way extracting part of the limited amount of physical Gold from the World market already.

And because Europe needs gas and oil from Russia, Russia has the ability to go and demand paper Gold (1000X times bigger) in the future if The West refuses to pay with physical Gold, and after that, demand to have the paper Gold to be converted into physical Gold, because that`s how paper Gold works.

So Russia and China have the noose already around the throat of the West and are tightening it bit by bit, but haven`t kicked the chair away yet.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 02:06 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrSpad
Russia is not selling oil for Gold. In fact one thing that is helping the Russian oil companies (although nobody else in Russia) is that they are selling oil for dollars and paying expenses in Rubles. While that does nothing for Russia is does make take the sting out things for those oil companies. Kind of ironic.


Russia needs, and I'll say it again NEEDS over $110 a barrel just to stay afloat. Seems the OP doesn't realize that their oil and gas is what pays for the economy and it is kind of hard to save gold when you got bills to pay. Now cut you income in 1/2 or less and see if even the bills get paid either...i.e. 17% interest rates over night...

When Russia hits hyper inflation and 50% interest rates do we say Putin won? That sly devil...hehe



Russia is selling their oil and gass in US dallers just like everyone else. Even the New deal With China is in US dallers. The deal With China is not bound to US dallers for 30 years. The deal is open. China wanted to bye oil in US dallers from Russia as long as the market was as it was, and China also had large chunck og US dallers in the bank that they cant devalue yet. This must have been fine With Putin since he signed the deal.

When it comes to who can run their oil Production at 60 dallers. No Euorpean country can. BP is struggeling, Phillips are struggeling, Talisman, Statoil, Exon and Mærsk. Then you have all the drilling and service Companies who are struggeling on top of that: Schlumberger, Halliburton, Altus well interwention, Archer, Well Tech, FMC, Tech Well and so on.

Low oil prices are far from just a Russian pain in the behind. There is talk about shutting Down some oil Fields in Norway if Things dont change soon. IF we Statoil, BP and Phillips have to shut Down Oil Fields do to the oil price cost. That is going to cause of lot of hurt in the EU sector.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
Low oil prices are far from just a Russian pain in the behind. There is talk about shutting Down some oil Fields in Norway if Things dont change soon. IF we Statoil, BP and Phillips have to shut Down Oil Fields do to the oil price cost. That is going to cause of lot of hurt in the EU sector.


It is funny how just 10 years ago oil was well under $50 a barrel, then Saudi/companies started their manipulation for more profit. For normal inflation of doubling every 20 years, oil should be around $60 to $70, but we have had a hyper inflation of oil prices over the last decade. This gave huge revenues to oil companies and countries, so what you are saying is these companies are bloated to the point they can not operate at what should be normal oil prices.

I guess my answer is, tough, get over it, and slim down to what is profitable once again.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: DJMSN
I always thought it was rather smart on the US's behalf to do away with paper money and debt backed by gold reserves. When the default comes it is no longer backed by any assets and simply resets like most bankruptcies and everyone will have to sue and get in line to do so.

They will eventually be paid but with new currency perhaps backed by treasury gold perhaps by oil, who knows perhaps by the same paper they get now, in the end it is in everyone's interest to allow it to happen and reset their own economies at the same time and from the US's perspective all based on a new dollar that is worth more since its backed by treasury gold, creditors would then be paid off with less paper than before.

Don't see WW3 as a result yet, Russia and China still need to harvest some alliances closer to the mainland to carry out a proper war, they need to form closer ties with South American countries and have troops on the ground there, either in joint bases or simply training agreements....look for it.


In 1989 after years of war with Angola, South Africa capitulated to the demands of the UN and IMF. SA released mandela and set up the new political system to put the Marxist ANC in power. The capitulation came in two forms, both economic and both extortive. The first was an ultimatum to deKlerk to release mandela or the IMF would flood the market with Russian diamonds and destroy the economy of South Africa, but that didn't work because SA bought up the diamonds and extended themselves financially.

About two weeks later with SA in a weakened capital position, the IMF threatened to flood the market with gold and collapse the gold markets, again a threat to destroy the SA economy. At this point deKlerk, according to plan, capitulated, released mandela and did what the IMF wanted. The excuse was he had to, but deKlerk was a bought man and Oppenheimer (Rothschild cousin, anglo-american, debeers, etc) was his puppetmaster. Of course Oppenheimer also stated he was "the engine behind the ANC."

So, economic ware works, not a shot fired and a country was destroyed so that its resources could be raped further and at a discount due to the rampant corruption in the ANC. If it had not been deKlerk and there was actually a person with balls in power in SA, it would have resulted in all out, probably nuclear, war. Don't think for a minute SA didn't have nukes ;-)

Cheers - Dave



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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Don't think for a minute SA didn't have nukes ;-)


Many people suspected that SA had nuclear weapons. The question is where it is now ? Who profited from this. Is it appears even in secret reports of intelligence services. There are many questions with SA undeclared nuclear warheads.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: spy66
Low oil prices are far from just a Russian pain in the behind. There is talk about shutting Down some oil Fields in Norway if Things dont change soon. IF we Statoil, BP and Phillips have to shut Down Oil Fields do to the oil price cost. That is going to cause of lot of hurt in the EU sector.


It is funny how just 10 years ago oil was well under $50 a barrel, then Saudi/companies started their manipulation for more profit. For normal inflation of doubling every 20 years, oil should be around $60 to $70, but we have had a hyper inflation of oil prices over the last decade. This gave huge revenues to oil companies and countries, so what you are saying is these companies are bloated to the point they can not operate at what should be normal oil prices.

I guess my answer is, tough, get over it, and slim down to what is profitable once again.


When i started to work offshore for Statoil 20 years ago. Oil pirces were below 20 dallers a barrel. But than again Our wages were a lot lower as well. My wage was about 5500 dallers in 1994. Today it is 10500 dallers a moths, then i have a offshore bonus of about 250 dallers a day on top of that, and i have 10 dallers an hour bonus for 12 hours night shift for 14 days. The cost have having People working within the oil sector have sky rocketed in Europe since 1994. This again makes services jobs foffshore and on land cost a lot more for oil Companies. Every oil Field needs maintenance on regular bases. If not everythings shuts Down or the wells get scaled in and stop producing.

There is a lot of work implemented to produce oil. And Our wages have sky rocketed, that is why the cost have gone sky high as well. It is why we cant have a functional economy With 60 dallers a barrel.

In Russia and China Things are a lot different. The cost of producing oil is a lot less. Do to cheeper maintenance and wages. They dont have to fallow the NORSOC standards either. Russia and China can produce oil With a different standard of Security then we have to here in Euorpe.

We cant just og Down in wages either because taxes and pirces on cmodeties and houses have also gone up because of a high oil price of 200 dallers a barrel. It is not just the oil workes who have gotten better wages but so have the People With other jobs. And the governments have set up higher taxes do to higher wages. Everytihng is interconnected. If you buy a house that costs 7 million and you have 4 million in loan. You have to be able to manage the intersts.
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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5500 dallers in 1994. Today it is 10500 dallers a moths


This seems about right increase if you take into account inflation for 20 years.
Well, for starters 5500 $ / month in 1994 is quite a lot if it is a simple rig job.
But I don't see increase from 5500 to 10500 as something exorbitant.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: spy66




5500 dallers in 1994. Today it is 10500 dallers a moths


This seems about right increase if you take into account inflation for 20 years.
Well, for starters 5500 $ / month in 1994 is quite a lot if it is a simple rig job.
But I don't see increase from 5500 to 10500 as something exorbitant.


You are right. In reality you dont have more buying Power, becasue prices have also gone up and so have taxes. And import of goods ans services.

But its not easy to turn it arownd and set Down wages and prices. Because that will affect the Banks and housing prices do to high loans.
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: dieseldyk
But Puitn seems to be really pissing them off, probably he was their protégé, but they loose control of him somehow.

Just watch what Putin saying in Russian
youtu.be...
He is saying openly many things that only on conspiracy sites appears here, like USA is supporting terrorism, that is his words.
Do you think it is a clever game of TPTB ?


Yes, I think to could be a clever gambit. Most people are busy picking sides and not truly considering whether both sides are an artificial construct to benefit TPTB. Surely, at a minimum TPTB have hedged both sides at worst they are puppet masters. The main point is that the US dollar is set to collapse and there is no way TPTB will permit a vacuum of power, they will have their "solution" ready. I would not doubt that in this day and age of "crominbus" or rather "crimnibus" bills that are sprung through congress with the cries of you have to pass it to read it, that the legislation for this transition has already been drafted.

One key provision in the Crominbus bill that tells us a tale is that the US is supposed to have guaranteed the 300 trillion in derivatives. www.zerohedge.com... Another item is that the G20 just decided that all deposits and retirement accounts will be treated as stock investments in the banks meaning that they will be devalued. It would seem that as the dollar is destroyed, the assets that everyone holds will be destroyed too while the debts will survive. This has already been put in place.

Another facet to this is the falling price of oil. The price of oil was driven up by unregulated energy trading. the Intercontinental Exchange Inc was founded in Atlanta in 2005. for all purposes its an energy trading house that operates in a black box. Technically its European but the Europeans regulatory agencies say its in the US so subject to US regulations. The US says its European and subject to European regulations. A convenient myth to create an unregulated market. ICE is controlled by banksters and IMO is the reason we have high priced oil. If you look at their wiki page en.wikipedia.org... you will see that after 2008 ICE got into the derivative market. It would appear that the upward drive in oil prices may have been intended to create a revenue source for banks to off load their toxic derivatives. Think of the money this scheme would generate, $2 or $3 profit for every gallon of gas sold in North America and Europe and other places. Then buy toxic derivatives and bury them. IT may be one reason why the US dollar has not tanked yet, if money is put into circulation and then taken out through the ICE market and the toxic debt buried. It would also seem that they intended to secure a new carbon trading revenue stream for the same purposes with their purchase of Chicago climate exchange in 2010.

So what does this have to do with China and Russia, well if you look at the "crominbus" bill just passed by Congress where the US government agreed to secure the $300 trillion in derivative debt and at the same time you have a drop in oil prices. It would seem that the US government has found a need greater that saving zombie banks, and that is attacking the Russian economy by driving oil down. In return to dismantling the ICE market oil for derivative trade, the US secured the bankster's derivative debt.

Does this mean that the fight between US and BRICS is real. Well maybe not, if TPTB plan was to have the US government voluntarily assume another $300 trillion in debt. With that done, the plug on the US economy can now be pulled, the BRICS new world currency can be brought forward and lower oil prices will spur global economic growth. Just remember nothing can save the US dollar, its a fiat currency owned by TPTB, its their construct and it will fall. As the hurdles to the transition to the NWO economy are removed, the stops that are in place to prevent the US dollar collapse will be pulled and the inevitable will occur. My point is that the fight between the US and BRICS might be real or maybe they are being played, the end result will be the same save for some unexpected event.

We what has happened with the ICE market

Just as regulations in energy trading were taking effect in



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
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5500 dallers in 1994. Today it is 10500 dallers a moths


This seems about right increase if you take into account inflation for 20 years.
Well, for starters 5500 $ / month in 1994 is quite a lot if it is a simple rig job.
But I don't see increase from 5500 to 10500 as something exorbitant.


This still would put oil at 2x 1994 prices which were 18 bucks a barrel. Hell lets triple it to 54 bucks lol.....



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: bobs_uruncle




Don't think for a minute SA didn't have nukes ;-)


Many people suspected that SA had nuclear weapons. The question is where it is now ? Who profited from this. Is it appears even in secret reports of intelligence services. There are many questions with SA undeclared nuclear warheads.


I know where 22 of them were, I don't know where they are now. They were however tacticals and could lobbed from G series cannons. Most of the original work was done at Velindaba/Pelindaba west of Pretoria, however, the US came in during our alleged voluntary disarmament and managed the nuclear audit. This actually created some problems with working with p239 as it had to come in through the "backdoor" (during an arms embargo) to avoid the US auditors. We did have a second plant on the Atlantic coats north of Capetown called Koeberg, but that was more of a convention nuclear reactor. Velindaba/Pelindaba had the enrichment refinery/centrifuge systems. Btw, we were in bed with the the UK, Germany, the French and the Israelis as well, on many arms deals (including the US which supplied new arms to Saddam so he could invade Kuwait under CIA instruction). Plus John Stockwell (CIA) was providing arms and logistics to UNITA and the SADF during the Angolan war (and SWA), so we were up to our necks in strange crap.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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China wont side with Russia over America. Friendly relations to America have been VERY good for China. Do you think they growth they experience is despite America and the rest of Nato?

China is also extremly hungry for resources. Yes, Putin dreams of dethroning the Petrodollar and probably some other countries do as well, but he simply does not control enough resources to do so. He can sell his own oil for Gold, but it does not mean that other countries will follow suit.

I think its very probable that China bought up oil from Russia bypassing the Dollar at the insistment of Russia with the blessing of the US, whom recognized that Chinas need for energy outweighs Russia landing a blow against the petrodollar with its own resources, unable though to exacerbate on it.



posted on Dec, 20 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: Merinda
China wont side with Russia over America. Friendly relations to America have been VERY good for China.



If China helped Russia wipe out America's economics who would be China's #1 consumer? What would 1.6 billion Chinese make after all this...hehe


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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Merinda
China wont side with Russia over America. Friendly relations to America have been VERY good for China.



If China helped Russia wipe out America's economics who would be China's #1 consumer? What would 1.6 billion Chinese make after all this...hehe



China will pretend to help out Putin in return for particularly cheap Russian oil, and access to Russian markets to sell Chinese products, putting Russians out of business.

Putin will say that he is sticking it to the West. Chinese will just smile and say nothing.



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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Ahah. So Putin is calling the U.S. power bluff by demanding gold for oil payment. As we all know, and as they've openly admitted, the U.S. no longer has a gold reserve.

Well played, Putin. Well played.



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