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End Game : How the Russians and Chinese attack the West

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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: MrSpad

Because the Physical Gold market is small not all is converted.

Russia could also demand Paper Gold for part of what it delivers in oil and gas and the funny thing about Paper Gold, when asked, Physical Gold has to be delivered...and the West knows it.
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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:24 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

A wise man once told me you do not have to run faster than the bear.......You just need to run faster than the guy next to you. It is fitting and ironic in this case.




Historians have proved that revolutions happen when the cost of food reaches 40% of your income. Russia is at over 30% and rising fast. The US is under 10% and holding............You do the math.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: SubTruth

Russia was prepared, they are happy with where the Rouble now sits.

Jim and Max where 2 of the 39 known economical commentators of about 20.000 to have called the `08 crash in advance, they know what they are talking about.

The Russian central bank was right not to over panic and let the Rouble instability play itself out somewhat and take the right measures as they have done. China providing liquidity by the currency swap agreement was the other thing.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:37 AM
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To be honest the OP is confused. Regardless of what you sell oil for, it is translated into local currency.

There's a real risk that people are over exaggerating Russia's economic might. In comparison to the US and the EU, Russia is a minnow. Russia's GDP is only about the size of Italy's and Italy is the fourth or fifth largest economy in the EU.


originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
So Russia is under attack by the West, but why ?


Russia has attracted sanctions because they have been meddling in Ukraine and have annexed Crimea.

The crash in the oil price is due to over-supply in the system caused by the rapid entry of US supply, Libya coming on line again and producers not cutting output. There is an economic fight going on between all oil producers with those nations who have no economic diversity, or deep pockets - such as Russia - vulnerable.

What this shows is that Europe could survive without Russian oil, because there's plenty of it about. We also know that the EU has already started to move away from Russian dependence as Russia, under Putin, has proved a fickle friend.

Regards



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:56 AM
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a reply to: Maluhia




probably a bit exaggerated,


More than just a bit exaggerated.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien




Russia was prepared, they are happy with where the Rouble now sits.


You really don't believe that do you?

When you have to spend more to buy basic living needs, you think that makes them happy?



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 03:05 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

Why do you talk about the size of the Russian economy in this matter ?...its absolutely irrelevant in this case.

Maybe look at the first link to see about the proof about an economic attack on Russia, the fundamentals of the Russian economy are contradicting with what has happened regarding the Rouble.

Europe can`t survive without the Russian oil supplies, the whole US shale reserves are over estimated and they know it.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h



When you have to spend more to buy basic living needs, you think that makes them happy?


If the other option is what`s happening in the Ukraine for decades to come, you`re just going to deal with it for the upcoming few years, people can cope for several years with such conditions far more easier than you think.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Why do you talk about the size of the Russian economy in this matter ?...its absolutely irrelevant in this case.


If Russia's economy was bigger and / or more diversified, the impact of sanctions and world oil prices would not have had such a catastrophic impact on Russia's economy.



Maybe look at the first link to see about the proof about an economic attack on Russia, the fundamentals of the Russian economy are contradicting with what has happened regarding the Rouble.


It's not "proof", it's a reading of the facts. The long and the short of it is that the rouble has collapsed in line with the fall in oil prices. The process of oil has fallen because there's an over supply. Supply and demand is basic economics.



... the whole US shale reserves are over estimated and they know it.


That's a donkey statement. Regardless of US shale reserves, the fact is that US is able to produce oil has impacted the world supply of oil, thus depressing the price because other oil producers have not cut back on production. Sure, many nations are now seeing which competitor producers will suffer, just like producers have been doing for years.

Regards



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ThichHeaded


And Saddam was selling in Euros.

Wasn't it oil for food? Besides, our man in Baghdad… Saddam Hussein was our puppet, until we burned him over Kuwait.

Thats why he lit the oil wells on fire. Guess he understood where our heart was at.



Best I remember yes. Sanctions were about to end but after years of sanctions millions died from disease and starvation. No way would another round of sanctions pass and with the prospect of a new oil bourse it was best to level him. On another note, how's the oil pipeline in Afghanastan going by the way?
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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 04:08 AM
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I also suspect that the downward spiral of oil with the resurgence of oil production in the US was a way to weaken Russia while the U.S. offsets it's loss by direct sales of shale oil while other nations "stabilize" the US dollar by buying it up to purchase cheap oil. The US gains while Russia loses this is more than basic economics, this is a very long thought out geo-political positioning. We didn't invade a ridiculous amout of Middle Eastern and African nations all this time for nothing.

What does Libya, Afghanastan, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, et. Al have in common? .....you guessed it, all critical import for energy production and distribution. All wars truly are bankers war. We fight each other diluted with false realities of heroism and justice. A fool, a player unawares.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: paraphi



If Russia's economy was bigger and / or more diversified, the impact of sanctions and world oil prices would not have had such a catastrophic impact on Russia's economy.


Either you haven`t read the first link or you didn`t understand it ?



The long and the short of it is that the rouble has collapsed in line with the fall in oil prices.


It lost much more of its value as it should, because Russian economic fundamentals are sound enough, please listen to Jim, Max and Koos instead of pretending to know more about economics as them.



That's a donkey statement. Regardless of US shale reserves, the fact is that US is able to produce oil has impacted the world supply of oil, thus depressing the price because other oil producers have not cut back on production.


No it`s not, there`s a good change it might actual peak next year and the decline will set in after that.

It seems the responses in this thread are more about how can we make Putin look bad with terrible economic fabrications as to giving sound analysis.

Has posting become nothing more as to how can we write off our frustration about our own Government by trying to funnel our frustrations towards Putin ?

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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 06:29 AM
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Russia went on with buying Gold...

Russia Busts "Gold-Selling" Rumors, Reports It Bought Another 600,000 Ounces Taking Gold Holdings To New Record High

Source



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Either you haven`t read the first link or you didn`t understand it ?

Oh, I have. If you only wanted people who agreed with your views to respond then you should have said so.

To the OP. Is there any evidence that China is going to overtly support Russia, apart from the speculations you have pointed to. After all, the fact the economic output in China has fallen is one reason why oil prices are falling - less demand. China, as a major importer of oil is a beneficiary of low oil prices, so is hardly going to go out of its way to engineer a situation that is detrimental to them.

There is no doubt that China and Russia will work increasingly together, but Russia will be the inferior member and a convenient source of raw materials. The autocracies have always stuck together, in the end. The price for Chinese help will he high.

Regards
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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 06:47 AM
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a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Blaming Russia.. how USA of them. The dollar is on it's way out, there's no stopping that now. The world has had enough of Americas Sh*t



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: paraphi



Oh, I have. If you only wanted people who agreed with your views to respond then you should have said so.


No that`s not it, but I suspect you`re not that familiar with Jim and Max, or else you would have weighted their words much more ?

This forum is lately invested with people who don`t come here to learn anything, but to just vent their frustrations disguised as an opposite opinion.

The Russian Government seems to be fine with a Rouble at about 60 to the Dollar, which is it at now, and seems to be stable for now.



Is there any evidence that China is going to overtly support Russia, apart from the speculations you have pointed to.


China has given hints enough it`s on the side of Russia, because it knows it needs a strong military force next to it to stand up against The West.



China, as a major importer of oil is a beneficiary of low oil prices, so is hardly going to go out of its way to engineer a situation that is detrimental to them.


That has nothing to do with anything regarding the OP.



The price for Chinese help will he high.


Just mutual benefit.
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posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

You seem confused about who the aggressors are.



We see a good deal of this today.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

You seem confused about who the aggressors are.



We see a good deal of this today.


That`s how you get stars, different sides can relate to that.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ThichHeaded


And Saddam was selling in Euros.

Wasn't it oil for food? Besides, our man in Baghdad… Saddam Hussein was our puppet, until we burned him over Kuwait.

Thats why he lit the oil wells on fire. Guess he understood where our heart was at.



LOL. It was more like if I cant have them then they wont have them. Maybe Sadam was addressing deeper philosophical things. lol.

Sadam was a Russian stooge when he invaded Kuwait. Testing the waters, paying some bills, firing some SCUDs. ect.



posted on Dec, 19 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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originally posted by: YouNeedMe
a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

Blaming Russia.. how USA of them. The dollar is on it's way out, there's no stopping that now. The world has had enough of Americas Sh*t


One has to wonder why with all the land and oil fields Russia is said to have why they need to import anything.



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