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End Game : How the Russians and Chinese attack the West

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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Merinda
China wont side with Russia over America. Friendly relations to America have been VERY good for China. Do you think they growth they experience is despite America and the rest of Nato?

China is also extremly hungry for resources. Yes, Putin dreams of dethroning the Petrodollar and probably some other countries do as well, but he simply does not control enough resources to do so. He can sell his own oil for Gold, but it does not mean that other countries will follow suit.

I think its very probable that China bought up oil from Russia bypassing the Dollar at the insistment of Russia with the blessing of the US, whom recognized that Chinas need for energy outweighs Russia landing a blow against the petrodollar with its own resources, unable though to exacerbate on it.



China will take a solid sides With Russia when China figures out in a year or two that the US are medeling in their back yard.

US/NATO Gladio Groups are already infiltrating the societies within Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.







posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: spy66




Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan


Are in many ways similar to Afghanistan. Those regions were influenced by former Russian Empire and 70 years of USSR, but at large the societies there remained Muslim patriarchal.

Old soviet fiction movie about establishment of Soviet Middle Asia Republics youtu.be...



posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: kitzik




the United States planned to provide $90 million for four projects aimed at improving the safety and security of Russia's existing nuclear weapons; (4) the United States has shifted priorities toward dismantling nuclear weapon delivery vehicles and supporting Russian efforts for a proposed fissile material storage facility


www.gao.gov...

That was just in 1993 alone. I am old enough to actually have seen all the news stories from the cold war to now. You can take your other issues you try to prove and toss them out as Propaganda. We should have smashed Russia's pathetic army when we had the chance but we did not yet all you fools think we are out to get them now when they are much stronger than when they had a hard time invading little Georgia. One dam B-1 could have stopped that invasion since Putin was dumb enough to send all his forces down a two lane mountain road.




The American response was the Cooperative Threat Reduction program of 1992. The U.S. provided money and expertise to lock down and track weapons of mass destruction and make sure they stayed out of the hands of rogue regimes or terrorists.


www.npr.org...
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posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge



One dam B-1 could have stopped that invasion since Putin was dumb enough


You are so undiplomatic, learn from important people how to say "I support NWO " -




His actions this past year in Ukraine have been a calculated defiance of the American-sponsored international order

That usually means tacitly accepting U.S. hegemony and U.S.-sustained international rules of the game, and to that, Putin cannot reconcile himself.
blogs.reuters.com...




posted on Dec, 21 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: spy66

China wont jeopardize their economy.

As for meddling China has a strict don't mess with out internal affairs doctrine. China wont violate their own doctrine as it opens the door for the same to themselves.

Russia now has a debt of over 600 billion since the sanctions and are now dipping into their reserve holdings and selling gold. If China completely supported Russia then they would not have been neutral in the UN regarding Ukraine and crimea.

What China is now seeing is Russia going down the tubes, placing China into a far stronger position to control their neighbor to their own advantage.

China knows this...
Russia is clueless about it...



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 02:01 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

...and yet anyone can read in this thread Russia has been buying Gold and not selling it, and it can be seen on the internet China is supporting Russia...it becomes easy to know what goes on, just take the opposite of what you write.



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 04:14 AM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge



We should have smashed Russia's pathetic army when we had the chance


Nothing is "pathetic" about Russia and its army nnd you may also recall that Hilter made that mistake before his arse got handed to him on a plate.

Building jet fighters that cost $200m a pop that get taken down by a $100k missile is not the way you win wars



posted on Dec, 22 2014 @ 04:30 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: spy66

China wont jeopardize their economy.

As for meddling China has a strict don't mess with out internal affairs doctrine. China wont violate their own doctrine as it opens the door for the same to themselves.

Russia now has a debt of over 600 billion since the sanctions and are now dipping into their reserve holdings and selling gold. If China completely supported Russia then they would not have been neutral in the UN regarding Ukraine and crimea.

What China is now seeing is Russia going down the tubes, placing China into a far stronger position to control their neighbor to their own advantage.

China knows this...
Russia is clueless about it...



China is never going to try and controll Russia in any way. China want to cooperate With Russia and and build a unity ralationship With Russia. If they dont, Russia will become a open card where the US can make ties With Russia to form a Strategic move against China on a later time frame. Just because the US - Russian relation ship is Cold right now does not mean it will be later on. That all Depends on geo-political moves. China must play their Cards right, because the US are really moving forwards in their direction.

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It is NATOs staybehind Groups (Gladio B) who are medeling With nations Close to the Chinese and Russian boarders.

NATOs staybehind have their main operator base for EuroAisa in Turkey. Have you ever wondered why ISIS have been having a free pass into Turkey who is a major NATO allie?

-Have you ever wondered why Israel have a military base in Northern Iraq for spying on Iran? You probably didnt know this at all.

- Did you know about the Hood event? Where Turkey sendt spies to spy on the Israelies. This wikik page is not telling the Whole truth about why Turkey had SF in Northern Iraq. en.wikipedia.org...

- Why aint ISIS attacking Israel?

- Why would the US NATO collaborate With Sloboda on the Balkans? Sloboda fits in perfectly With a NATO Gladio operation if the goal is to mess With Russian geo-politcal interests. Which is exactly what we are seeing right now.

Isreal have played a sigificant role With Gladio in Ukraine collaborating With Sloboda, So have Sweden With the so called Mercenaries. There have been some media coverage about this but not much.


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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 11:46 AM
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The whole Oil V Gold thing would become a moot point if the technology of free clean energy was made available to the world. But from what I have read on various forums, such technology is supressed. Perhaps in readiness for when situations like this arise?



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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China is not going to attack the US and I seriously doubt they would assist Russia should Putin go any more stupid and start a war.

The Chinese have refused to support Russia over Crimea and are not going to risk their nation over Putin.
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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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Global crime$
The american $ mobsters made a killing which ended
temporarily in 2008, after a brief reshuffle the Federal reserve mob
decides that what the market needs is more liquidity and they
are good for it, printing $ and signing i.o.u's on their own behalf.
So who gets the newly created liquidity ? The same folks who always
got it in the past and what do they do with it ?, they buy up whatever they do not own already, land, geomineral resources, technology u name it,
whatever is for sale that is worth something, but then anything is worth more then the paper vouchers the fed is handing out right..?!
Yet america and in a smaller way china have managed to grab huge chunks of global resources using worthless $ and still it has not crashed, and that is the real mystery.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: simplesurfer


You have anything specific or are you going for the same typical old tired routine of making general statements?



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: BornAgainAlien


No matter how strange it may seem, but right now, Putin is selling Russian oil and gas only for physical gold.

Qaddafi was threatening to do this , too.

It threatens US Petro Dollar Hegemony. Bottom line folks, its about oil and the quoting of that oil in American dollars (Petro dollars)


I've heard this repeated over and over. It's a bunch of nonsensical BS. As in ``it doesn't matter''.

First the phrase "petro-dollar" came about in the 1970's when the Gulf states suddenly had a windfall of dollars from rapidly increasing petroleum prices. The petro-dollars were their money coming back to the market in investments.

If Vladimir Putin or any tin-pot petro warlord wants to make it difficult to sell their only hard-currency product, more...I mean less power to them.

If they quote only in physical gold and make it expensive or difficult to make delivery, in effect, they will have to give a discount to the buyers. That's known as a self-embargo or tariff: business fail.

The US dollar right now is well supported because of the robust and deep investment and banking markets denominated in dollars. And that's there because the people who have dollars want to save and invest in dollars. Putin's opinion won't make any difference at all. A couple of twitches in the eyebrows of Janet Yellen and the ECB make more of a difference to the dollar than anything some petro-criminal thinks.

The importance of Russia's holding of dollars is quantitatively insignificant in the market.

In any case, most of Putin's sales of fossil fuels were probably in euros, not dollars. Russia sold 300 billion USD a year worth of oil and gas.

Euro/Dollar currency markets transacted 1.2 trillion a DAY in 2013.

In a nutshell: Anything Putin does has no effect on Euro or Dollar financial markets. On the other hand it has plenty of effect on Russia's financial markets, by showing people who make investments how petulant, and stupid the dictator of Russia is, and that really deters people from investment. It's just like Argentina + Venezuela: populist, don't understand economics == SELL.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
China is not going to attack the US and I seriously doubt they would assist Russia should Putin go any more stupid and start a war.

The Chinese have refused to support Russia over Crimea and are not going to risk their nation over Putin.


China = WINNING
Russia = FAIL

Chinese love Putin getting in more and more of a teenager tiff. It means Putin will be more and more desperate to sell oil at a discount to China and succumb to more Chinese imports. WINNING

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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:04 AM
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I've heard this repeated over and over. It's a bunch of nonsensical BS. As in ``it doesn't matter''.

Right, "Petro" in Petro dollars is euphemism for "US" dollars. Always has been a cover up in plain sight.

Like your "doesn't matter" post…



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Numerous currencies are used for oil transactions between nations and not just the US dollar. Just like numerous currencies are used as a reserve currency and not just the US dollar. Just like trade between 2 nations can be done in local currencies.

Will you people please educate yourself on this topic instead of repeating the same propaganda BS over and over?

Reserve Currencies
US Dollar
The Euro
British Pound Sterling
Canadian Dollar
Japanese Yen
Swiss Franc
Chinese Yuan
German Mark

Petro Dollar

In addition to the United States petrodollar, a petrodollar can also refer to the Canadian dollar in transactions that involve the sale of Canadian oil to other nations. In this sense, the term petrodollar is related to but should not be confused with petrocurrency which refers to the actual national currency of each petroleum exporting country.


See PetroCurrencies


Petrocurrency is a neologism used with three distinct meanings, though often confused:
1.Trading surpluses of oil producing nations, originally called petrodollars
2.Currencies of oil producing nations which tend to rise in value against other currencies when the price of oil rises (and fall when it falls).
3.Currencies used as a unit of account to price oil in the international market.



Currencies correlated with oil prices

The pound sterling has sometimes been regarded as a petrocurrency as a result of North Sea oil exports.[1]

The Dutch guilder was regarded as a petrocurrency due to its large quantities of natural gas and North Sea oil exports. This caused the Dutch Guilder to strengthen severely in the 1970s when the OPEC started their price hikes. As a result of this strengthening, industrial manufacturing and services were crowded out and became non-competitive on world markets, a phenomenon that is often referred to in economics literature as Dutch disease.

The Canadian dollar is increasingly viewed as a petrocurrency.[citation needed] As the price of oil rises, oil-related export revenues rise, and thus constitute a larger component of Canadian exports. Thus, movements of the Canadian dollar have become increasingly correlated with the price of oil. For example, the exchange rate of Canadian dollars for Japanese yen (99% of Japan's oil is imported) is 85% correlated with crude prices.




Currencies used to trade oil

Since the agreements of 1971 and 1973, OPEC oil is exclusively quoted in US dollars. This created a permanent demand for dollars on the international exchange markets.[2][3] As of 2005, OPEC continues to trade in US Dollars, but some OPEC members (such as Iran and Venezuela) have been pushing for a switch to the euro.

Since the beginning of 2003, Iran has required euro in payment of exports toward Asia and Europe. The government opened an Iranian Oil Bourse on the free trade zone on the island of Kish,[4][5] for the express purpose of trading oil priced in other currencies, including euros.


* - International use of the US Dollar
* - International use of the Euro

* - Currency Substitution

Currency substitution occurs when the inhabitants of a country use a foreign currency in parallel to or instead of the domestic currency.



The major currencies used as substitutes are:
* - The United States dollar
* - The Euro
* - The New Zealand dollar
* - The Swiss franc
* - The Indian rupee
* - The Australian dollar
* - The Armenian dram
* - The Turkish lira
* - The Israeli shekel
*- The Russian ruble


Every single Wikipedia source has all references at the bottom of the page for those who wish to educate themselves on this topic and to confirm the information posted.


Do your own research and stop parroting the morons who keep repeating the same wrong information over and over.

** All bold faced type / use of underline is by me to highlight relevant info / easier to see the points **



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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: mbkennel


I've heard this repeated over and over. It's a bunch of nonsensical BS. As in ``it doesn't matter''.

Right, "Petro" in Petro dollars is euphemism for "US" dollars. Always has been a cover up in plain sight.

Like your "doesn't matter" post…


In other words, US >> Petro. Which was my point.

How do you "cover up" the bond market?
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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 07:38 PM
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Don't be silly OP... You know it is NATO that's been pushing hard eastwards and also down south since the early '90s to land-grab whatever they can. It was all in Brezinski's "The Grand Chessboard" and the plan was to take over the entire Eurasia.

A quick proof of this out in the open... compare a map of NATO members and partners today, with what it was in 1992.

Problem is that Brezinski's theory was drawn out in a time when Russia was weak, chaotic and run by violent mafia gangs with an alcoholic idiot President, and now the Western push towards the East has met a strong resistance. Perhaps it will be the downfall of the West.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: Echtelion

Since NATO is a defensive alliance it has not pushed anywhere.

Since the USSR refused to stop occupying Eastern Europe from before the end of WWII to the early 90's its not hard to understand why formerly USSR occupied nations jumped to join NATO.

Any reason why you guys ignore those facts - that the USSR occupied those nations?

Finally there never was any agreement by NATO not to expand, contrary to Russian propaganda.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: Echtelion
Don't be silly OP... You know it is NATO that's been pushing hard eastwards and also down south since the early '90s to land-grab whatever they can. It was all in Brezinski's "The Grand Chessboard" and the plan was to take over the entire Eurasia.


Yes, those NATO invasions and occupations of Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Bulgaria....oh wait, that never happened!



A quick proof of this out in the open... compare a map of NATO members and partners today, with what it was in 1992.


Indeed. The map doesn't lie. What does lie is the notion that countries in between Germany and Moscow don't get a choice. They do. And they all chose Europe and NATO, and shat on Russia. Because they knew Russia. Very intimately.


the Western push towards the East has met a strong resistance. Perhaps it will be the downfall of the West.


No, it won't.

Everything Russia is doing is proving to everybody who joined NATO and EU that they were damn glad they did.

Russia wants to make vassals by beating them up like thugs. EU and NATO want to make allies by protecting them from the thugs.

Does Russia know how to make friends, other than mutual pacts with dictators snarling with resentment over more successful peers?


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