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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
originally posted by: KingIcarus
The thing that annoys me about threads like this just how eager people are to be the first to 'see through it' by calling false flag. Unless you're deluded enough to believe groups like IS don't actually exist, there is - in reality - very little reason to fake these videos.
All available evidence suggests that IS are committing extraordinary crimes across swathes of the ME. Given the simple barbarity of their actions, falsley making out a few US/British prisoners are being beheaded does very little to further Western public support for action - the fact IS are behaving in a manner scarcely seen since the Nazis is doing that all on it's own. As a Brit, I'm very sorry indeed that a British citizen has been executed, but that concern is trumped significantly by the thousands of innocent people already left in IS' wake.
"But the PTB want a war."
Yes. Yes they do. They want a war to put the genie back in the bottle. IS is the birds of over a decade of Western foreign policy mistakes coming home to roost - the fact that Western Muslims like Jihadi John have taken up arms proves this. They want a war because it might well be the best opportunity to crush this before it spirals out of control and arrives at the West's borders.
As for the video, I'm increasingly thinking all these hostages were executed on the same day and they're just feeding it piecemeal. The US/UK won't pay the ransoms so the value of these hostages became political rather than financial, I'm afraid to say. It would make perfect sense to kill them all and move on from the location given the intense scrutiny these acts understandably generate from the West's security services - cowards like that haven't got the balls to stay around when the SEALS/SAS turn up, because it won't end prettily.
The Taliban fought the SAS in hand to hand combat in tora bora (however you spell it) and one of the SAS members in charge said they were brave fighters who would attack them with tooth and nail if they had no ammo :-/ the Taliban were just as barbaric to their enemies and had many beheading videos.
You think that when special forces turn up they all grab human shields or run?
Hell,even in that prison complex in Afganistan when they were chained by ankles and wrists they managed to other throw the guards and rip out the CIA officers throat there with their teeth before our SF took high positions and got the prison back
There not cowards their barbaric and have no emotions when it comes to killing
No coward goes to war,they know they can die on the battle field as do our own brave soldiers
Our troops have a code of conduct and morality and that's what seperates us from these savage killers
originally posted by: woogleuk
People need to stop referring to that "Jihadi John" as British. He may very well have been raised here, he may have a British accent (well, London accent)....but the second he left to fight with IS, he lost all rights to be British, I certainly don't recognise him as British.
originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: dr1234
People who committed treason were no longer allowed to call themselves a citizen of whichever country, I think that applies here.
It does offend me that people see him as British, because, apart from the seriously mentally ill, no true Brit would behave in this manner, and from what I can gather, this guy isn't mentally ill, he is acting in accordance with his warped religious beliefs.
I have seen some pretty nasty people in my time in this country, but cutting of an innocent, decent mans head in the name of God to warn their enemies is something event the most nastiest of individuals in this country would not think of doing.
But yeah, the warning was to the USA and Britain, therefore he is fighting against Britain, and the crown, therefore treason, therefore he has given up his rights to be called British.
originally posted by: mr-lizard
a reply to: mr-lizard
Also what about all the executions - crucifictions, massacres, beheadings, people being buried alive. Children shot at point blank range, heads on poles.....
Are they fakes? Those videos of massacres on liveleak. Are they fake?
Why fake one and not fake the other?
Occam's razor in this situation suggests all three men have been beheaded. My only doubts about the situation is that I believe all of these men have already been killed on the same day and the videos are being leaked at later dates for maximum impact.