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You know? Wtf? Frogs and ignorance of medicinal plants and... WHAT? HOW COME I NEVER HEARD of these things you claim we believe in. Come by my place and I will serve you some Brigham tea from desert shrubs if you are ill. I have been into health and wellness now for nearly 30 years and am unaware of the ignorances you proclaim. I feel sorry for you to have to feel your own mother is dumb. Please do not do that to my mother. Your whole post is a strawman, a weird one at that. Nobody thinks like that, unless, yes thats it, unless your mother is a christian voodoo priestess, then that would make sense.
originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
My mother was an overboard Christian and she believed that frogs were evil. She was not alone. Now, if frogs were evil, how is it that god used frogs to invest a town as a sign to help free the Jews for Moses. It seems like these creatures were under the control of God. This is just one example of how people misinterpret things.
Another example is that people hate picker bushes. God says "Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field" So people hate these bushes. The thing is that the chemistry of the thistle actually can be a medicine and extend the life of our organs if consumed reasonably, this gives us a longer and less sickly life. Now how come people hate these things. The Church has known for a long time that these can cancel out many types of poisoning, but did not tell everyone. It can help the body detox and work properly. But we learned to curse these things and rip them from the ground. It does not have to be holy thistle either, other types also work but are less potent....and free.
Now these are just a couple of examples of how people are blinded to see the truth. Yet the church does not really address these rumors and lets people fear a frog, thinking that they are a little off. Now, frogs can carry disease, but that is not actually a devil thing, if you don't harass them and wash your hands after touching them, you do not have much to worry about. Some of the sayings we have made in the past were created to keep kids from harassing wildlife, but it got turned around and some people fear frogs.
Sorry about getting off topic. I just wanted to show you that even the most religious people can be misled and believe a lie. It is their pride that causes this, their tendency to judge others. That is the job of god. I won't look the other way or turn the other cheek if someone threatens my family. I don't know what nut wrote that in the bible. It was meant to keep people from making enemies of their neighbors because of minor disputes. It was meant to deter people killing someone in their community for minor disputes. This helped to form the justice system we have in America, bring your disputes in front of a judge, hoping he is not bribed by the other person or believes in unfair practices. Even the corruption of the judicial system is mentioned in the bible somewhere. Some things never change, but our perception of them does.
See how much more you have to elaborate on now that you are called out? You honestly believe you are the model by which we should all hold as a standard ofwhat is good and even implied from the op that you are christianbecause you are "good". The bible defines that as pride. Yeshua declared "there is none righteous, not even one; all fall short"
you attempt to make Him a liar. We saw but you didnt.
It gets hard to understand how to reply when you quote me but add your own words in there to misrepresent what was said.
No. It shows that I am attempting to understand. Like when I'm in conversation with someone, and they say something I don't understand, so I might say, "Wait - are you saying: this, this and that? Or am I not getting it." Hopefully, if they want to make themselves clear, they can find a different phrase or way to use their words - make an analogy, or remind me of some event or feeling I can relate to.
In the end it just shows that from op to end you were disingenuous in declaring your motives.
Its not brow beating. Its calling you out on bs.
You play word games.
Even your last post you added words to redefine what i actually said, and you put it in quotes even.
Is that supposed to fool me? Or others?
I'm not interested in being "more christian" than anyone else.
I am not projecting, but you are attempting transference in hopes of showing you are more christian than Christians
It's clear that there is no ONE consensus on what it means to be a Christian.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Is there anything else?
Did you learn anything new?
Or was your bias confirmed?
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I learned that not everyone thinks the Nicene Creed is enough, and that infant baptism doesn't cut it as far as some are concerned.
I learned that some think to be a "Christian" one must believe things, not just say they believe it...but I did NOT learn how one is supposed to accomplish that.
If those are the things you learned, then it sounds like it is the beginning of your exploration of comparative religion (forgive me if I am incorrect). I think it is one of the most interesting areas of study in all of human history, personally. And it is one that can really lead to great understanding if one is more concerned with learning rather than being "right."
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Serdgiam
I did learn that some think I had a terrible childhood, which I did not.
I accepted that as 'communication' from beyond the veil - as a sign.
I truly believe that at some point in the future, if we havent all destroyed ourselves, we will begin to explore these areas directly and without the intent to confirm bias. I am not convinced such happenings are solely in the brain, and I believe there are things going on that we can not perceive.
It sounds obvious, but through peoples actions, you can see very clearly that some do not believe anything exists outside of humanities understanding. At best, it has no potential or reason to be explored scientifically.
Another interesting facet is that many feel that if God, or even just the "supernatural," is proven or explored scientifically that it somehow takes away from prior interpretations of the universe. Meaning, I know of many Christians that feel that their belief relies solely upon their lack of exploration.