originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Charizard
It has been explained, it was an accident. But it wasn't in
any woods, it was in the night but under a full moon light.
Question is, do you believe it?
Can you clarify this point, please? It was my understanding that he disappeared in rocky/mountainous, forested terrain and was later found up the side
of a cliff (I hate to call it cliff because it doesn't look like the type of ciffs we have around here that are just sheer vertical walls).
Do I believe it? So far, I have no reason not to. But I do have an open mind. I watched a few of those Missing 411 videos and the guy didn't go into
great detail about each case, but some sounded rather ordinary and completely explainable to me. However, others, if the way he presented the cases
was factual, are really just completely baffling. For this case, SO FAR, there are just too many logical scenarios in my mind to rule a case like this
to be "high strangeness". I know these scenarios have been posted before, I could see any of these being real possibilities:
-Herdman and Byars got into an argument and Byars either intentionally or unintentionally injured/killed Herdman and then tried to cover it up by
hiding his body and concocting the story about him running off into the woods after his dog
-The two (or just Herdman) were doing some kind of drugs and Herdman suffered some type of paranoid delusion and ran off or fell and hit his head,
ultimately resulting in his death. Byars, afraid he would be held responsible or out of feelings of guilt, decides to cover it up. I know it was said
that the cops don't consider Byar to have any involvement, but if they do suspect him they would probably want to keep that secret while they try to
build a case.
-Byar's story is true, Herdman really did run after his dog, became lost, stumbled and fell.
The one thing I cannot readily explain though, is the body location. The toxicology reports do say drugs were in his system (I have no reason to doubt
this report right now) and I suppose the right drugs could
give someone the drive (and right amount of poor judgment) to scale that terrain.
I thought I read somewhere in this thread that the autopsy revealed that he died from a head wound, but all I see is "blunt force trauma", the reports
I read don't specify where.
I'm curious: If you all reject normal explanations then what are your theories? Alien abduction? Sasquatch? Wild people? Some type of energy vortex
that plucks people up and flings them into the side of a mountain? It's a serious question, by the way. I always love to hear people's theories about
but Herdsman and his dog were both experienced hikers. I feel quite confident that his dog would have had many opportunities to run off, certainly
enough times for Herdsman to know whether the dog was capable of finding its way back to camp.
The problem I have with this type of thinking is that people often assume that because someone is "experienced", they can't possibly make mistakes.
Experienced pilots crash planes. Experienced soldiers get killed on the battlefield. Experienced fishermen drown at sea. Experienced skiers get caught
in avalanches. So while it may be unlikely that an experienced hiker would end up dead while hiking, it's not impossible. Sometimes experience leads
to overconfidence. Then if you factor in drug use, which is alleged...
Another thing is that animals are wild at heart, despite how domesticated they appear to be, and as such are unpredictable. How many animal attack
cases have you seen where the owner swears up and down that their pet is just the sweetest, most loving, most gentle thing in the whole world, sleeps
with their baby, heels on command, has never once even so much as growled at another person or animal.
Again, I'm open to theories and evidence. I really would like to hear ideas about how his body came to be where it was.
edit on 20-8-2014 by
Charizard because: (no reason given)