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Firefighter chases dog and both are missing 411?

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posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
His body had to be identified by dental records? Is that to make it official and confirmed or was the body badly ravaged by animals or decomposed? Also why was ICE involved in the search and rescue effort? That seems strange.

Also where is the proof that this guy was doing a 411 type investigation? Someone previously posted in this thread saying that. Where is the info on that?



what do you mean by "this guy was doing a 411 type investigation?"




posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: berkeleygal
a reply to: research100

I heard it, at 4 am, getting ready for work. What I did hear was this guy had been investigating the disapearances of the many people in national parks recently. He had a website called The Devil is in the Details, AND the place where he disappeared was called The Devil is in the Details! Which kinda freaked me out. Then I had to leave for work.

I see they found his body, will check back for details later.


Me thinks you mixed together A WHOLE lot of stuff.

The RESEARCHER is David Paulides. His latest BOOK is called "The Devil is in the details" because according to him many places where people vanish have "devil" in the name. David Paulides did NOT disappear, neither did the guy who actually disappeared and was now found disappear at a place called "the devil is in the details". Seriously, you got it all entirely mixed up there.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: seahawkshos040

I hope someone records his reaction and attempt to
explain the unexplainable.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: seahawkshos040

I hope someone records his reaction and attempt to
explain the unexplainable.



i didn't record it and I'm kicking myself. it was amazing to see an entire room of journalists and a cop trying to make sense of a 411 case



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: GreenMtnBoys




His body had to be identified by dental records? Is that to make it official and confirmed or was the body badly ravaged by animals or decomposed? Also why was ICE involved in the search and rescue effort? That seems strange.

Also where is the proof that this guy was doing a 411 type investigation? Someone previously posted in this thread saying that. Where is the info on that?


Yeah I wouldn't quote that.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: seahawkshos040

He was found 1200 ft up, from where the campsite was.
So now this is going to go in the books as an even stranger
occurance than if he just disappeared.


Since he was already barefoot and only with shorts in RATTLE SNAKE INFESTED WILDERNESS I am not in the slightest surprised that he tried to climb up a hill like that too.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: seahawkshos040

They'll show it again and I hope you're set up for it,
because by tomorrow it will be history. I loaned out my
recorder.

(Shakes head in disgust)



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 06:58 PM
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'So sad for his family, especially his little girl.

Here's what boggles my mind... suppose Herdman did, in fact, climb that 1200-ft cliff barefoot. The reason why he ran off in the first place was to go after his dog, and I just do not see that dog scaling a 1200-ft cliff.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: graceunderpressure

And he was no where near any cliff face. He was so
far out that a fall from a cliff could only happen if he was
thrown a distance that I myself deem as humanly, absolutely,
impossible.

Also he was FOUND 1200 ft up. Which means that for him to have
fallen to his death? He climbed even higher.


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posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

i thought that same thing. also, no sane human being would follow a dog up a cliff in snake country in the middle of the night with no shoes on. especially not a firefighter with training.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: seahawkshos040
I agree.
Even more of a mystery and even more of a perfect fit for
Mr. Paulides' criteria.


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posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:20 PM
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Here's one more match to Paulides' criterion: found under, or partially under brush.


During a news conference that afternoon, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said a medical examiner was working to determine the cause of death.
“It did not appear he had been trapped. It appeared he was laying over the terrain, partially covered by brush,” Dean said


losangeles.cbslocal.com...



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: seahawkshos040
I agree.
Even more of mystery and even more of a perfect fit for
Mr. Palides' criteria.



Mystery my a$$.

It was about a week ago I said IN THIS VERY THREAD HERE he likely climbed up a hill and fell (I also added he might have been buried by sand). Because a little kid can add 1+1 together: RUGGED TERRAIN, BAREFOOT, SHORTS...
(Someone posted the maps and the first thing catching my eyes were the hills at the side of the river)

Do you really need bigfoot, the devil or aliens to explain this?

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posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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Also, this is the first time I heard that Herdman and Byers initially ran off together after the dog.


The off-duty firefighter was camping with fellow firefighter and paramedic Taylor Byars the night of June 13 when Herdman’s dog, Duke, ran from the camp site toward Sespe Creek.
The two men went after the dog and at one point decided to split up. Herdman, 36, was barefoot and wearing a shirt and shorts. Byars said that was the last time he saw his friend or the dog.


I would really like to hear Byars' assessment or reasoning for why they both felt compelled to run after Duke.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:27 PM
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In a year or so the widow and friend will be spending insurance money together.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: NoRulesAllowed




Do you really need bigfoot, the devil or aliens to explain this?



Not at all big bazooka boss. But you haven't explained squat.

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posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: seahawkshos040
I agree.
Even more of mystery and even more of a perfect fit for
Mr. Palides' criteria.



a little kid can add 1+1 together: RUGGED TERRAIN, BAREFOOT, SHORTS...
(Someone posted the maps and the first thing catching my eyes were the hills at the side of the river)

Do you really need bigfoot, the devil or aliens to explain this?


not saying its any of those things but you would have to be out of your mind to hike up a 1200 foot cliff at night in rugged terrain without shoes because your dog might be up there. unless that dog #s gold there has to be another explanation



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
In a year or so the widow and friend will be spending insurance money together.


If that's truly your opinion Deadeye it's welcome here.
And very highly doubted.



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: seahawkshos040

WHOH!!!!

He was found 1200 ft up, from where the campsite was.
So now this is going to go in the books as an even stranger
occurance than if he just disappeared. The area is highly
rugged and stixy.

Horrible outcome.
No sign of foul play.



Wow what a shame he is dead, many thoughts to his immediate family and friends.
This story now is a page directly out of the first 411 book.
The Author constantly stresses the fact that lost people do not climb uphill.......period.
Logic burnt into our brains says go down and follow water and you will find people.
It does you no good and you get no closer to help unless there is a hilltop hotel in the backwoods and we don't know about.
Thanks to all the posters for keeping this fantastic thread going and us all informed.

Regards, Iwinder



posted on Jun, 27 2014 @ 07:42 PM
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Been following this story and this thread since he went missing. This is a very sad outcome.

They will be doing an autopsy but I don't think we'll ever know what really happened. Sheriff Dean has already mentioned:


Dean, who would not comment specifically on the condition of Herdman’s body.

“Sadly, nobody but Mike is ever going to know … why he would take off into this kind of terrain, in the dark, in bare feet,” Dean said.


ktla.com...

Condolences to his wife and little girl.




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