Arrested for Speaking Out at School Board Meeting - Video

a reply to: ketsuko

goddamnit, it IS NOT a first amendment issue....

he had his turn, he said his piece...and in the video, we see that the fellow in the yellow shirt was saying his piece, the guy didn't agree with what he was saying, and started talking over him, and then proceeded to continue ranting, and making a scene....another poster noted how he had an agenda, and set this up...he went in there, planning to make a scene, and get himself arrested, so that he could play the victim, and get in the media, and embarrass the district..

the guy is a rude, obnoxious, self-righteous, self-important, attention whore.

it's NOT about the book, it's about "feel sorry for poor me, i got arrested for going over the two minute rule...never mind that i was rude and disruptive in an official community function, LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT MEEEEEEEE!"

seriously....can we deny ignorance here, and see this for what it is?

ETA: it'd be like if you had a kid, and you're in the mall, and your kid keeps being loud, and acting out, and then you tell them they're gonna get a time out when you get home, and the kid makes a scene, and asserts "YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME A TIME OUT FOR BEING HUNGRY?!"....it's not what you're giving them the time out for, but now it's why EVERYONE in earshot thinks you are...

a reply to: Hr2burn

agreed.....he can take his kid out of the school, and all his fellow agenda-driven, attention-whore, tightwads can follow....

it'll certainly be quieter...

originally posted by: Kali74
No way in hell should that dad have been arrested. He had every right to be upset and every right to speak about up about it, I wouldn't have stopped talking at 2 minutes either if I hadn't been given a satisfactory answer as to why my 14 year old child was reading x-rated material without my permission.

like most other people in this thread, you're missing the fact that he was NOT arrested for going over the two minute rule...he had his time, was recognized by the board to speak, he said his piece, and sat back down.....

the problem was when he started interrupting someone else who was recognized to speak, and interfering with his ability to be heard. as if what he had to say was some how more relevant, or more important than what the person he was interrupting was saying....that's rude, and self-centered.

at this point, he was now being disruptive. when asked to stop, and let the man finish what he was saying, he refused, and continued to disrupt the proceedings...that was when the cop entered play, and asked him to leave. and the then guy refused to leave, and told the officer "you're going to have to arrest me"....he asked to be arrested.

there are proper channels to use, if the answer at the board meeting was not satisfactory....you could sue the district, you could write letters to the superintendent, and the board members, you could talk to the teacher directly, and not even bother with the meeting....no, this guy went in there with an agenda, and a plan to make a scene, and get arrested, so he could play martyr, and pretend to be a victim...

objections to the content of one page, among four-hundred and fifty-four others aside...if he were really looking to rectify the situation, there are proper ways to do that....this guy just wanted his 15 minutes...and the braindead media is more than willing to give it to him..

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: PhoenixOD

A 2 minute rule isn't a law, it's a guideline. The cop was way out of line doing the dirty work for the Progressives in the school board. Who told that cop to arrest a parent for speaking out? Only the liberal fascists! The only charge they could press was disturbance of the peace or something like that.

he was arrested for a few reasons, as i see in the video....

firstly, he was being rude, disruptive, and disrespectful to the other attendees...

secondly, he was refusing to comply with requests to cease his disruptive behavior..

and lastly, HE TOLD THE COP TO ARREST HIM.

he wasn't arrested for "speaking out", he was arrested for being a rude pain in the ass, and because he asked to be...he had his turn, he took it, and then decided "oh, i don't like what this other guy is saying, so i'm just gonna interrupt him, because i'm right, and he's wrong"

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
I was just talking to some people about this tonight. The question was why were all the other parents just sitting around watching the guy get arrested for defending his daughter's innocence? Fear, being dumbed down, agreeing with the fascists, who knows.

the other parents were just sitting there, because he was being a rude jackass...they obviously didn't have a problem with him being hauled off...with him gone, they'd get a chance to speak.

i mean, it's entirely possible he interrupted other people, it's entirely possible he was a pain in the ass through the meeting...i can't say for sure, because we only have this little clip of video to go off of...but i would not be surprised if we found that this was the case..

he wasn't defending his daughter's innocence...he was soap-boxing, and attention-whoring for his 15 minutes...

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: SuperFrog
Seriously? You think a parent should not speak up about the smut being paraded as mandatory assignments? And you are defending him being arrested for speaking out? I think it's awesome what the guy did. He was courageous. I know people who would stand up and be arrested with him. Someone just said it tonight to me.

if agenda-driven attention-whoring, and being a rude, disruptive, jackass equals courageousness in your book, then you might wanna re-assess that book...

if he so totally disagrees with the presence of ONE PAGE, out of 455, he could do other things....take the book away, demand an edited version, and he could talk to school district officials...making a stink over something this minor, and getting yourself arrested, is NOT the way to do this.....

i also notice you keep using the words "fascist", and "fascists"....and you're using them incorrectly, which leads me to believe that you don't actually know what "fascism" is, and you're just using it, because it has a negative connotation, and makes a really good buzz word....you may wanna read up on it, before you hand it out like a scout badge..

a reply to: Daedalus

Are you on the school board or something? How many other high schools use this book in their curriculum? Why are they even reading about a school shooting anyway? To me that doesn't seem like proper material for 13 or 14 year olds. Not to mention the graphic detail of a sexual encounter on page 313. Why did they not notify parents like they did every other year prior to assigning this book?

I would be upset too...but probably would've reacted differently. But in no way do I think this guy went to that meeting with the intentions of causing a scene or being arrested. It looks like to me he got frustrated with the process, his emotions got the best him, and he was wrongfully arrested...

a reply to: Cosmocow

Seeing as 13 yr old children are capable of school shootings (homicide), suicide, hyper-sexualization, sex, bisexuality, homosexuality, pansexuality, drug abuse, drinking, rape, being raped, etc. (the list goes on and on and on). I believe it's important to expose children to difficult themes in a safe setting so that they can understand the causes and concerns to better prepare themselves for reality.

That being said, everyone acted like retards. The district, the father, everyone. I would contend the book could theoretically fall under "furnishing harmful materials to a minor" as it does seem to be pornographic for the sake of being so. But I have not read the book, I don't know how it adds to the story or a theme element.

This is why both sides are retarded. Everyone makes assumptions, jumps to conclusions. Civil people calmly reserve themselves, investigate and present a valid rebuttal.

Good thing this is the internet though, and we don't need that sort of civility here as it reduces our ability to huff and puff.

Also, I don't think he was wrongfully arrested. He made a scene. The charges may be dropped (doubt it since it's so small), but the officer did the right thing by defusing an emotionally driven situation and did so without tasering him.

originally posted by: Cosmocow
a reply to: Daedalus

Are you on the school board or something? How many other high schools use this book in their curriculum? Why are they even reading about a school shooting anyway? To me that doesn't seem like proper material for 13 or 14 year olds. Not to mention the graphic detail of a sexual encounter on page 313. Why did they not notify parents like they did every other year prior to assigning this book?

I would be upset too...but probably would've reacted differently. But in no way do I think this guy went to that meeting with the intentions of causing a scene or being arrested. It looks like to me he got frustrated with the process, his emotions got the best him, and he was wrongfully arrested...

I believe this book might be, if already its not on many schools because covers very specific area that was not much covered in past... Here is wikipedia's reception page... follow links if you like to see material behind it...

Reception

The book received generally favorable reviews by critics, for the writing, character development,[2] plot twists, and the moral issues raised, including peer pressure, popularity, self-image, school bullying, betrayal and deception, sexual orientation doubt, teen dating violence, suicide, video game violence, single parenthood and communication barriers between adolescents and adults.[3]

The Associated Press acknowledged that although Peter's guilt cannot be in doubt from a legal perspective, it is hard for readers to know where to put the blame as the story unfolds.[4] Rocky Mountain News agreed, stating that while the beginning shooting scene makes it "painfully clear who the victims and killer are. As the novel unfolds, Picoult succeeds in lifting those assumptions up for scrutiny, until villains and victims seem to blend into a motley jumble of alliances and rejection."[2]

The Free Lance-Star mentioned that Nineteen Minutes created a two-sided story that helps readers understand everything about the school shooting, which is more than what normal media coverage will provide about this type of tragedy.[5] The New York Times praised Picoult's writing, commenting that she "writes articulately and clearly, making her all too much of a rarity among popular authors." [6] The Washington Post called the book not only a thriller that is "complete with dismaying carnage, urgent discoveries and 11th-hour revelations", but also a source of serious moral questions about relationships between children and adult, and among children themselves.[7] The Boston Globe considered Nineteen Minutes "an insightful deconstruction of youthful alienation, of the shattering repercussions of bullying, and the disturbing effects of benign neglect."...

BTW, his daughter is not feeling safe because of what happened to her dad... and on the link you will find that 'highly offensive' material from book... www.bizpacreview.com...

She should be home schooled or at least go into some christian school.... there is no sex or books like that....

BTW, here are some bible verses, wonder if that book should be used anywhere...

Genesis 38:9-10
But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother. And what he did was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.


Genesis 38:9
But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his. So whenever he went in to his brother's wife he would waste the semen on the ground, so as not to give offspring to his brother.


Leviticus 15:16
“If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening.


Psalm 127:3-5
Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one's youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.


Galatians 5:16
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.


Genesis 38:1-20
It happened at that time that Judah went down from his brothers and turned aside to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah. There Judah saw the daughter of a certain Canaanite whose name was Shua. He took her and went in to her, and she conceived and bore a son, and he called his name Er. She conceived again and bore a son, and she called his name Onan. Yet again she bore a son, and she called his name Shelah. Judah was in Chezib when she bore him.

I love the book that teaches core moral....

a reply to: DerbyGawker

It's a fantastic book, don't get me wrong. And I respect that only the honor students class get assigned the book (I think). It's has great topics and great discussions arise from it, so I see how
It is school worthy. I guess I just agree with this mans objections about no prior notification and I see now the board recognizes and admits this failure now.

Since it's a conspiracy site....the Author is from NH, this "incident" takes place in a small NH town. Perhaps this is set up to get the book even more notice, discussions and thusly sales of the book....

originally posted by: Cosmocow
Are you on the school board or something?

nope.

How many other high schools use this book in their curriculum?

Don't know, don't care.

Why are they even reading about a school shooting anyway?

Why are they reading about anything? why read "catcher in the rye", or "of mice and men", or "romeo and juliet"? why read anything? why bother having school at all? people bitch that schools focus too much on standardized tests, and not enough on real education, but when they focus on education, and literary exposure, people bitch about the choices....it's like people aren't happy unless they're bitching..

To me that doesn't seem like proper material for 13 or 14 year olds.

would you rather, they were assigned to read this?, or perhaps this?, and other similar books? would you rather they leave their freshman year with the literary knowledge of a rutabaga, rather than risk the possibility of offending anyone, even mildly?

Not to mention the graphic detail of a sexual encounter on page 313.

without knowing the context of it, and what part(if any) it plays on the overall narrative, i can't rightly comment on it..

Why did they not notify parents like they did every other year prior to assigning this book?

as i understand, it was already stated that the notice was not sent out, as the result of clerical error, or some such...it's not like it was a conspiracy to corrupt the children..

I would be upset too...but probably would've reacted differently.

it's nice to know that you have more sense than the guy in the video....

But in no way do I think this guy went to that meeting with the intentions of causing a scene or being arrested.

oh no?

if you take into account that he brought people with him, to record the meeting, and you watch how confrontational he is during his allotted 2 minutes, it becomes clear what his intentions were...he couldn't get his way, so he was gonna stamp his feet and scream as loud as possible...

It looks like to me he got frustrated with the process, his emotions got the best him, and he was wrongfully arrested...

nothing wrongful about it...the rules were explained at the beginning of the meeting, so he understood that he had 2 minutes to make a statement to the board, and he understood that it wasn't a Q&A session, yet he still chose to try and make it one...instead of making his point, he wasted time trying to get them to change the rules just for him...

and after his time was up, he decided to interrupt another parent, and rant, and disrupt the meeting.

THAT is why he was arrested...because he was rude, disruptive, refused to comply with the established rules of decorum, as stated and explained at the start of the meeting, and then refusing to leave when asked....oh, and then telling the officer to arrest him....actually, if you watch the video, you see him going on and on about a "civics lesson", and he's actually the first person to mention arresting in his rant "why don't you arrest me", i believe is what he said...

and then the idiot behind the camera "what is the correct distance sir, can you tell me the regulation?"...bunch of idiots..

Personally I just find it all completely surreal.

The fact there is a law enforcement officer at a school board meeting.

How a large amount of MSM are cooing over the issue of the book so much more than the issue of the arrest.

How nobody moved an inch or did anything or even made a remark at the arrest of this man (for or against may I add) - they were probably too scared to.

How the officer should have identified that arresting the man would have been what he wanted in order to make a scene and he still did it pretty much taking the bait outright.

How this is such a minor "offence" to be arrested for and I would never have thought that somebody could be arrested for such behavior.

How the school has the two minute talking rule in the first place, why couldn't he go on to speak, to me his speech was a normal part of discussion and it wouldn't at all be looked upon as abnormal. A school board with these abstract rules of non discussion between parents and limited time to speak is surely not operating correctly.

The way to deal with people like the man in the video is simply to ignore them, if he wanted to open this up as some platform for him to use to push his ideology then he shouldn't have been given it and should simply have been ignored.


At this rate we will arrest our children at playschool for disorderly conduct and having spats with other kids.

originally posted by: DodgyDawg
Personally I just find it all completely surreal.

The fact there is a law enforcement officer at a school board meeting.

How a large amount of MSM are cooing over the issue of the book so much more than the issue of the arrest.

How nobody moved an inch or did anything or even made a remark at the arrest of this man (for or against may I add) - they were probably too scared to.

How the officer should have identified that arresting the man would have been what he wanted in order to make a scene and he still did it pretty much taking the bait outright.

How this is such a minor "offence" to be arrested for and I would never have thought that somebody could be arrested for such behavior.

How the school has the two minute talking rule in the first place, why couldn't he go on to speak, to me his speech was a normal part of discussion and it wouldn't at all be looked upon as abnormal. A school board with these abstract rules of non discussion between parents and limited time to speak is surely not operating correctly.

The way to deal with people like the man in the video is simply to ignore them, if he wanted to open this up as some platform for him to use to push his ideology then he shouldn't have been given it and should simply have been ignored.


At this rate we will arrest our children at playschool for disorderly conduct and having spats with other kids.

It would be much easier to explain and answer all your question if you just turn couple of pages back and read discussion. All of those things were explained, including that not everyone agreed with him and that he, after given opportunity to speak, started interrupting others who did not share his views.

Main reason there is 2 min rule in meeting like this is that everyone opinion or objection should be heard, and he used his and then started interrupting others while making his 'show'. He came with an agenda, cameras etc. and he is trying to trick everyone by claiming that his 1st amendment was real reason he was arrested.

Title of this topic is misleading...

There is nothing wrong with book he is objecting, and it was already pointed out that there was error in procedure, fixed by now. This would happen most likely even if he did not make scene and his stupidity show...

originally posted by: HYPERTlGER
The parent choose to poke his head up out of the hole to reveal himself for longer than he should have...and was sniped...paid the price.
the same thing will happen to me here at some point...disturb the peace of the sheep...and the penalty is annihilation...and then the sheep can go back to sleep and rest in peace.

Sheep don't inform themselves. Sheep follow along without asking questions. Start by reading the thread, and checking out the links for yourself.

You've been played.

I complained to the school once about a song they were singing with the kids... It went something like "the boys go kiss and the girls go woooo (while the girls lift up their skirts) Totally inapproriate for school! It is also sexist... What is it saying? What makes it worse is that my daughter was about 4-5 at the time... Some may see it as an innocent song, that's fine, blast crap like that at your kids, I don't agree with it...

I told the headmaster it is sexualizing children... He very proudly informed me my daughter had been sexualised by the school since age 3... I mean... What can you say?

One of the many reasons we home educate...

a reply to: HYPERTlGER

so, what you're trying to say, in all that faux existentialist drivel, is that you think the rude idiot was right to be a rude idiot, and that he should have been allowed to be disruptive and confrontational, and shouldn't have been arrested?

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: HYPERTlGER

so, what you're trying to say, in all that faux existentialist drivel, is that you think the rude idiot was right to be a rude idiot, and that he should have been allowed to be disruptive and confrontational, and shouldn't have been arrested?

Not at all...He has the right to manipulate the universe however he desires as long as he is not caught breaking a rule or attempts to break LAW.

You all have the right or freedom to cause effects or visible chaos...but no right to escape the consequences of the effects you cause.

Like your free will choice to utilize the word drivel.

I'm not your slave or your master.

a reply to: HYPERTlGER

lol, wtf @ this. just jaw dropping rants.