Radiation and Cancer, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIE, I didn't

reply to post by Silicis n Volvo


I agree, while i was in the VA there was someone there who decided to go through natural means to cure his cancer. He did the vitamin C and praying and whatever else, and guess what happened? he died painfully and quickly.

reply to post by iammrhappy86


Chemotherapy and radiation therapy are two different methods of treating cancer.

reply to post by RadiationAndCancer


You are nothing more than an ignorant bigot, and borderline extremist. just because you think you are right, doesnt make you right. I'd be willing to bet more than half of ATS users are Atheists and attacking them with religious psycho-babble makes anything you posted irrelevant.

What I don't understand is radiation therapy.

I know of a gal who has fought cancer a couple times, the latest being cancer on her tongue and in her mouth (no smoker by the way). She received radiation therapy for this, and had to stay away from her family/5 kids for weeks afterwards (I believe it was about a month) because of the radiation danger from her treatments.

Why would they give radiation treatments to her head if it posed such a danger to others around her?

reply to post by tinker9917


Are you sure she wasnt having chemo therapy? because in chemo, the drugs used are in your mucous membranes. Basically my doc said no sex because i could cause my ex wifes hair to fall out, in hind sight that doesnt seem so bad. Radiation is the same way touching someone else could cause the radiation to affect the other person.

V22tech
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Are you sure she wasnt having chemo therapy? because in chemo, the drugs used are in your mucous membranes. Basically my doc said no sex because i could cause my ex wifes hair to fall out, in hind sight that doesnt seem so bad. Radiation is the same way touching someone else could cause the radiation to affect the other person.

I'm positive. She was having radiation. She had to move elsewhere for a while and stay away from her kids.

[url=http://]http://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/how-cancer-treated/radiation-therapy/frequently-asked-questions-about-radiation-therapy[/url ]


I found this, it should explain some stuff better than i can.

RadiationAndCancer

saneguy
Are you aware of the Pauling-Rath theory of cardiovascular disease? If not, please read this and I would love to discuss further.
CVD

This is interesting to say the least, however even if we assume it is true, and lack of vit c is the reason those arteries get blocked up in the first place. So in other words vit C manages to somehow get HDL to mop up LDL and it makes the artery walls non sticky for the plaque and so on.

Even if all that is true, it still doesn't negate the studies done that show C chelates calcium and metals out of the body.

You keep avoiding the core question, Why do you think that C in the doses you take 16g a day, won't chelate your minerals to the point of muscle exhaustion.

There is a theory that since we humans can't make vit c we have evolved a protein called lipoprotein(a), or lp(a), which acts like a surrogate for vit C. When we suffer from sub-clinical scurvy, ie. years and years of not having enough vit C, the collagen begins to breakdown in the arteries near the heart first because these are under the most stress from mechanical flexing. The liver responds by producing lp(a) which is attracted to the broken lysine and proline strands of the collagen molecule. This is an attempt by the body to patch up arteries so we don't bleed out but unfortunately it leads to CVD and possibly strokes and heart attacks. Once the plaque becomes calcified Vit C cannot help much, however Vit K may help.

One method of determining the proper amount of Vit C is called titrating to bowel tolerance. Basically it means that if you take C at a rate faster than your body can use it you get diarrhea. The amount of C the body can use at any given time varies incredibly. At the onset of an acute infection like a flu one could take over 100 gms in 24 hrs whereas a healthy individual might only be able to tolerate 10 gms. This is because each molecule of C donates electrons to free radicals it encounters and when you are sick you have very high oxidative stress and so you use up the C very quickly.

At very high concentrations Vit C can act as a pro-oxidant and cause tumor cells to die by producing hydrogen peroxide, which cancer cells are much more sensitive to than healthy cells.

As far as minerals go I have never heard of any issue with Vit C removing calcium or other minerals. I have heard of it depleting copper but it also is needed for our cells to utilize copper so its complicated. Remember that most mammals produce many, many gms per day of Vit C and so its not like our physiology does not know how to handle it. There is no known toxic limit to how much C we can tolerate - people have taken 300 gms in 24 hours by IV with little or no side effects. (other than saving their lives lol)

V22tech
You are nothing more than an ignorant bigot, and borderline extremist. just because you think you are right, doesnt make you right. I'd be willing to bet more than half of ATS users are Atheists and attacking them with religious psycho-babble makes anything you posted irrelevant.

Oh you must be American, meaning you believe in offense, but not for the victim to do defense. LOL

I understand you enjoy yourself in how right you think you are. But stars and Flags of this thread tell me that I have helped lot of people while you didn't.

But hey, who am I to ruin your viewpoint of the world.

Carry on sir

reply to post by saneguy


Well.....you are alive.......and seemingly lucid enough....so......maybe you are onto something

Unless you are a very sophisticated bot that is programmed to shill for Vitamin C

Hey stranger things have happened

Julie Washington
I have done extensive research on Vitamin C and I am not familiar with the "chelating of calcium" that you speak of. Do you have a good source I could read about this? I am very interested to know more about this.

when I have time soon I'll start googling, in the mean time, think of it like this, Vit C makes a pretty good cleaning agent. So does Citric Acid which is also a chelator or minerals metals etc.

Reactive little molecule. Bonds to all kinds of things and in excess takes them to kidney for peing out, but I still don't believe in 16g a day especially when person is healthy.

Lemon juice, cleans. Rust, Mold, Calcium deposits in sink and so on. We humans are no different.

PS: these internet bashers that show up later in the thread are quite annoying, I am gonna start ignoring them

RadiationAndCancer

Reactive little molecule. Bonds to all kinds of things and in excess takes them to kidney for peing out, but I still don't believe in 16g a day especially when person is healthy.

The neat thing about titrating to bowel tolerance is that it gives you an insight to how healthy you are on any given day. There are many health issues that could be brewing inside of without many symptoms and these create oxidative stress which can be measured by how much C you can tolerate. For example, mercury from fillings, radiation poisoning, candida overgrowth, cancer, etc. are constant sources of oxidative stress and so increase the need for for Vit C. My consumption is based on how much I can take on a given day not by any set number of grams. The RDA is barely enough to keep you from getting outright scurvy.

a reply to: RadiationAndCancer

Makes me wonder if ANY of the ingredients had any effect on you or whether it's just your state of mind...

I often think that as soon as some people hear CANCER they subconsciously give up because they automatically assume they ARE going to die soon.

I work with a very inspirational man called David. He has Lymph Node cancer. It is riddled throughout his body but, he has an incredible spirit. He comes in every day, feeling like crap, and is far happier than all the others who are in perfect health with no real life worries. He refuses to just give up because he has young children who don't understand, yet, what is going on. He says he'll stay strong for them because he doesn't just want to curl up in a ball and die in front of them. He should be in a much worse state than he is in but I'm certain his mental attitude is keeping his cancer at bay - a little bit. I wonder if he was never told that he had cancer, would it have even affected him at all?

I believe that your religious beliefs and willingness to fight and survive is why you are in the position you are today. Granted, the ingredients may have had an effect but I see them more as a placebo and YOU are the cure... NOT Jesus, NOT God, NOT the flying Spaghetti Monster.. it was YOU.

Whatever it is was. Well done. You too are inspirational.

originally posted by: crzayfool
Makes me wonder if ANY of the ingredients had any effect on you or whether it's just your state of mind...
I believe that your religious beliefs and willingness to fight and survive is why you are in the position you are today. Granted, the ingredients may have had an effect but I see them more as a placebo and YOU are the cure... NOT Jesus, NOT God, NOT the flying Spaghetti Monster.. it was YOU.

Holy crap this thread is still alive !

No you are wrong, and as a test of your character, how good a person YOU ARE, you will give this opening post to David, print it out, or email him the address etc, give him life and his children a father

OR you won't do anything, and will watch David die in the end.

Up to you.

a reply to: RadiationAndCancer

OR you won't do anything, and will watch David die in the end.

Wow. I haven't read a comment that was as offensive and so lacking in humanity for months. You've just told another member that they are responsible for the death of another person if they don't do what you tell them.

You've also made the point that people die without a belief in Jesus. Have you ever been to a hospice? Why don't you take yourself down to a hospice and tell some dying kid or elderly person that they deserve to die because their beliefs aren't strong enough?? They aren't 'good' enough?? While you're there, go ahead and tell their families that it's also their fault. Go to church and tell the congregations that their loved ones have died from diseases because they deserved to for not believing or being 'good' enough.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Why bother writing a large post, when you can just say it like you mean it.

you too think that he in fact should NOT give David information on how to boil sodium bicarbonate with molasses and do meditations and all that

As a member of ATS, you should want to spread information, NOT HOARD IT

You know I had few friends who were the kinda guys who would never tell you where the good deal is to buy whatever.

I am not like that, if I see a need, I provide the info, if I have the info, there is no way you can find something wrong with that as much as you may try

a reply to: RadiationAndCancer

I've often wondered about supplying David information from this site and "getting involved" in his fight for life. It's difficult. How do you tell someone that you have a, possible, way to save their life by giving them information from a "Conspiracy Site". You don't know them personally. You have no medical background and you also have no clue about cancer because you're not in the fight yourself. You're giving info to some random guy from some other random people that may not work for him.

What if I supply him the information and he follows it, turning down chemo and other already proven methods of fighting cancer, and then he dies? The method outlined on this thread is not a 100% fail proof way of treating someone. I could exasperate the situation and his condition.

Like I said, I have no personal connection to David. I don't know how to approach him on such a sensitive matter as I don't know how he'll respond. I have mentioned alternative forms of medication before but unless David is willing to take the leap of faith and risk NOT going to trained medical specialists based on what some random guy got off of the internet then I cannot force him to use this method.

I understand what you have said to me about letting David know. I don't take offense to what you say. I know you're trying to get a high impact message across and this is a serious matter. I know I'm not responsible, but thanks for your efforts in trying to force my hand. All I can do is guide David here, for him read through what has been said. I would love to keep him alive, he is a genuinely nice guy - not something you see a lot of nowadays. He's late 40's now... he's already survived a brain hemorrhage at the age of 24 and asked me the other day, after my post here "Why me Matt? What have I done wrong in my life?"

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

saneguy
Are you aware of the Pauling-Rath theory of cardiovascular disease? If not, please read this and I would love to discuss further.
CVD

This is interesting to say the least, however even if we assume it is true, and lack of vit c is the reason those arteries get blocked up in the first place. So in other words vit C manages to somehow get HDL to mop up LDL and it makes the artery walls non sticky for the plaque and so on.

Even if all that is true, it still doesn't negate the studies done that show C chelates calcium and metals out of the body.

You keep avoiding the core question, Why do you think that C in the doses you take 16g a day, won't chelate your minerals to the point of muscle exhaustion.

I missed this post before, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

Specifically about the muscle exhaustion...

This is one of the great benefits I have gotten from Lipo Vit C.

For many years I could never work in the yard and garden for more than 2 hours because I would be so sore afterwards I could barely walk the next day.

That is now COMPLETELY gone.

I can now work my yard and gardens for an easy 5 or 6 hours, be somewhat sore... followed up with an extra shot of lipo C before bed and have absolutely NO MUSCLE ACHES the following day.

I find this remarkable.

No medical data to offer, just personal observation.

a reply to: Julie Washington

good for you, very good, I am gonna make lip c tomorrow, enough excuses, but I won't do huge doses of lipo c

1 or 2 glasses a day should give me 2-4 grams

making lipo c is just bit of work that's all, when compared to crushing and popping a pill of C

originally posted by: crzayfool
I understand what you have said to me about letting David know. I don't take offense to what you say. I know you're trying to get a high impact message across and this is a serious matter. I know I'm not responsible, but thanks for your efforts in trying to force my hand. All I can do is guide David here, for him read through what has been said. I would love to keep him alive, he is a genuinely nice guy - not something you see a lot of nowadays. He's late 40's now... he's already survived a brain hemorrhage at the age of 24 and asked me the other day, after my post here "Why me Matt? What have I done wrong in my life?"

Wow you have pleasantly surprised me with your post.

I expected you would scream and curse and foam at the mouth. You seem to be a gentleman with class.

Here is what you can do. You can say, look, this is not part of my job, and I am not telling you what to do. Here is what's going on on the internet. I honestly DON'T KNOW what I would do in your place, God forbid maybe one day I will be faced with it. Here is the information just in case that you want to look more into it.

Don't ask me about it, I don't know any more than you.
This is the internet you can't sue me or him.

This is all up to you if you want to look into it.
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