Mom arrested at her son's school for not "signing in". School put on "LOCKDOWN".

reply to post by Danbones

...with peanut bullets.

LOL Dan

reply to post by WeRpeons

The called her. They buzzed her in. Ugh.

reply to post by TorqueyThePig

However, I can verify that it has helped me stop parents that weren't supposed to see their child due to court orders. On one occassions the parent was not allowed to see their child because he beat the crap out of her. His intention was to take her out of state. Another was a father that was arrested for lewd and lacivious acts on his daughter. He was trying to come visit her. I can only imagine his reasons.

That's a fair point to make, but it's a hollow one, in my personal opinion. I recall what you do by what you've stated in past threads, so your experience here is valuable in terms of my curiosity.

The woman was electronically buzzed in by the facts of the article (my k-12 district does it too...and that part, I don't so much mind, believe it or not). What she failed to do was one step. She didn't sign her autograph to the guest book. When she's coming in at their direct and urgent request (rolling out of bed to a call from the school is always urgent if it's not a canned recording), and they've deliberately and knowingly permitted her physical site access upon arrival .....just what was the purpose of enforcing the guest book to the point of arrest and seeing it through?


I'll probably lose all my goodwill in this thread by saying it, but I don't even blame the local police department here. I don't read about her being manhandled or abused in any way whatsoever. It doesn't even mention her going through the county jail.

I see a demand from the school, which ranks near the level of an airline crew member for "If I say, then you are leaving with police escort" these days in terms of power, and cops likely not left with a whole lot of choice in practical ways.

The breakdown was entirely at the moment someone said "Hey! She didn't sign the book!" and someone else piped up with "Call the cops!", IMO.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by TorqueyThePig

 

The breakdown was entirely at the moment someone said "Hey! She didn't sign the book!" and someone else piped up with "Call the cops!", IMO.

edit on 23-3-2014 by Wrabbit2000 because: minor correction

Not necessarily.....the breakdown started when the teacher did do not notify the principle or the office that their was a dire emergency and the parent had been called.

I guess I'll be posting about this one day. I routinely just walk into the school without signing in if I have to drop something off to my kids or talk to their teachers. I'm not playing this game. I don't live in Nazi Germany.

amazing
I guess I'll be posting about this one day. I routinely just walk into the school without signing in if I have to drop something off to my kids or talk to their teachers. I'm not playing this game. I don't live in Nazi Germany.

Nothing about signing to get access to a school equates to Nazi Germany.
Does your rambo approach work at other places where you have to sign in also?
What about a hospital where your kids are, would you think you make up the rules there also?

reply to post by amazing


Some of the replies here are worrying. I'd expect North Koreans to answer like that and mean it. If I can bring it down to basics we have:

Humans are not robots
- A worried mother who was called by the school because her son's behaviour was getting out of hand.
Hence she must have assumed that they knew who she was and expected her; and thanks to being worried and not brainwashed enough to have 'signing in' on her mind at all times, she FORGOT or DEEMED IT AS SECONDARY to sign in - Something that cannot be held against anyone. We can't do what we are not thinking about.

Onus is on school
- Someone buzzed her in.
Not only did they expect her and let her in but if this signing in is really so important to warrant an arrest, the person who buzzed her in could have a) made quick note in the book stating she had let the woman in personally, b) brought the book to the woman, knowing that her mind was elsewhere, c) caught her on her way out or [and here is a novel idea-communication] she could have called the woman out and REMINDED her to sign in. At no point in time was this woman on the campus unknown or hidden, therefore she was accounted for. The onus should have been on the person that let her in. But this is common sense, which nowadays is VERBOTEN.

Overreaction
- Considering the above, calling the police is the last thing you want to do in a free country.
I read that apparently this woman was known for 'being difficult'. May I just say that if I was a parent, this is what they would call me too. Nobody is asking why she may have made a fuss before. Well, going by the overreaction of the principal I have to say that maybe she had some good reason to be a little rebellious on OTHER occasions. They still knew her and she was still known to be on site, which to me is good enough security.

Police are also morons
- Any good police person who serves in the free world and has any shred of common sense and brain power would have told the principal that he'd get arrested next time he ever calls them for something as banal as this again. In the UK it is actually illegal to waste police time, which this clearly was as no actual federal 'crime' was committed. This should have been dealt with internally.

People defending this
- There are some people on here who seem totally accepting of this story and defend it, probably believing that their children will be safe if there is zero tolerance [also known as zero brain activity]. The fact is that sh*t happens, such is life. You can try as you wish but you can NEVER keep your child 100% safe. Once out of school there are a myriad of other dangers you have not yet contemplated. I would rather send my child to a school who has people employed I can trust and who show common sense than robots.



Those that really can't see that the people at fault are those that caused the situation [the caller, the buzzer and the principle] and really believe that an arrest with handcuffs in this situation was warranted and OK; I feel sorry for you because you just don't understand and that is sad.

mwood
I agree, WAKE UP AMERICA....

Learn to follow the rules and you won't be arrested!

You people see the authorities wrong in everything that happens anymore.

If someone went in and started shooting or did something else wrong you would be complaining at the lack of security.

Everybody thinks they are above the rules anymore. Her son was in do danger and she should have signed in. They have those rules for a reason and don't want people just wandering the halls.

I know I will be the only one who thinks this way but that's how it works in just about every school in the country, when you go in you sign in at the office. I'm almost 50 years old and it was that way when I was in school.

Couldn't agree with you more!

Another problem is that alot of people have knee jerk reactions to half told stories by the media. We are only getting mom's version.

If this was a problem parent [gotten from the comment section to the article] then I can see and stand by what the school did.

Another problem I am seeing more and more is children with issues are given a free pass based on their 'disabilities' and parents of said children becoming an issue for the schools who can do basically nothing to the child or parent because of special needs, IEPs, caseworkers, etc.

I think its all BS. If a kid is violent or repeatedly disruptive, take them out of the class so others can learn, no matter what their disability is. If they are that bad off, they don't belong in a mainstream school.

Doesn't give a free pass to parents of special children either.

Its situations like this that build up until there is violence, hits the news and everyone whines about why wasn't more done.

Sorry, hits close to home for me....general rant over.

reply to post by gladtobehere


This is becoming complete stupidity.
The main causes are because the system has lost its main purpose of serving humans.
And some humans have lost their humanity, compassion disappears completely when they abide by this system.
The more advanced countries are becoming, the more decadent and nonchalant they are becoming in parallel.
To be honest, living in a remote country "barbarian" country nowadays is still more human.

Hecate666
Those that really can't see that the people at fault are those that caused the situation [the caller, the buzzer and the principle] and really believe that an arrest with handcuffs in this situation was warranted and OK; I feel sorry for you because you just don't understand and that is sad.

All the people involved in this equation did things wrong and that includes the Mother.

If she knew the rule of signing in prior to this event then she should have signed in.
The teacher that didn't follow policy essentially caused this problem.
The Principal and/or Police should have then figured out what was going on and made a logical choice based on the available information.

I'ts a bad scenario with multiple bad choices by multiple people.

RedAmnesia
reply to post by gladtobehere

 

This is becoming complete stupidity.
The main causes are because the system has lost its main purpose of serving humans.
And some humans have lost their humanity, compassion disappears completely when they abide by this system.
The more advanced countries are becoming, the more decadent and nonchalant they are becoming in parallel.
To be honest, living in a remote country "barbarian" country nowadays is still more human.

And schools can't be schools anymore these days and parents can't be parents.

Remember...'its for the children' .
With that said.....in my state children can dictate or choose whether or not to seek treatment or take meds by a certain age. So you get this 15 year old kid thats knee deep in a psychotic breakdown and ask him IF he wants to be hospitalized. [the state shut down the hospitals except for 2, so good luck with that] unless he is posing an actual right now danger to himself or others, he can say no and there isn't a damn thing the school, parent or others can do.
If he is at school and on an IEP, then the IEP HAS to be followed or else the school is held responsible. That means if the kid has a breakedown and the IEP calls for calling the parent, than that is what is followed by the school.

Imagine all this at the highschool level. and also dealing with an at the school everyday parent who threatens the school with legal action just because of the disabilities act.

My normal kid would have been expelled by now with all the crap that has happened with SOME of these 'special' kids and their equally 'special' parents at my son's high school.

THAT type of system is ripe for abuse and school violence and the bs needs to seriously end.

BTW,,, I am agreeing with your post and adding a general rant.

palmalBlue2
reply to post by Danbones

 

If said child is posing a threat to others, then YES!! I EXPECT the school officials to keep my son safe and if it involves calling the police, then yes.

ah, well , if it weren't for your son being non deserving of it id say
"well hopefully you get to walk a mile in the mother's shoes someday..."

for perspective sake..

If your son was in danger from an aspie then perhaps you should sue a teacher and the school...
for not providing a safe environment
then they could sue you
for putting your child in harms way by placing him in a school staffed by people incompetent to keep your son safe
you should have know better and done more...

if the teachers are not qualified to teach special ed they should get some one in there who is capable of doing the job they are supposed to do...as many as 4.5 % of the children are on the spectrum....

mwood
I agree, WAKE UP AMERICA....

Learn to follow the rules and you won't be arrested!

[sarcasm] Sieg Heil! to that brother [/sarcasm]

Danbones
if an aspie is having rage episode what then?
and the mom was delayed...or not avaliable
call the cops on the kid?
tazzer the kid?
cuff the kid?
jail the kid?

the whole situation is getting out of hand and it's more about liabilities then common sense
niether the cops nor the teachers may ever see their pensions the way things are going anyway
(bail ins and bail outs ....dig? )
so let the mother attend to her child

jeez
with all the whooplaw you'd think the kid ate a slice of cheeze into the shape of a colt revolver or something

edit on Sunpm3b20143America/Chicago12 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

You didn't respond earlier to my reply, so I am trying again.
You're right this is all getting out of hand.
Yes, I would hope that a school would intervene with the cops if necessary if an aspie was in a rage just to protect the other kids. 25% of autistic children are highly prone to psychosis. Not a good mix in a mainstream setting with lots of stressors for the autistic child. especially at the highschool level.

BTW.... I am very famaliar with autism and its spectrims. I am also familair with high functioning autistic children at the mainstream highschool level who go in a rage and want to kill everyone and attempt to do so.

Danbones

palmalBlue2
reply to post by Danbones

 

If said child is posing a threat to others, then YES!! I EXPECT the school officials to keep my son safe and if it involves calling the police, then yes.

ah, well , if it weren't for your son being non deserving of it id say
"well hopefully you get to walk a mile in the mother's shoes someday..."

for perspective sake..

If your son was in danger from an aspie then perhaps you should sue a teacher and the school...
for not providing a safe environment
then they could sue you
for putting your child in harms way by placing him in a school staffed by people incompetent to keep your son safe
you should have know better and done more...

if the teachers are not qualified to teach special ed they should get some one in there who is capable of doing the job they are supposed to do...as many as 4.5 % of the children are on the spectrum....

For the record Dan, I fostered the autistic child that had tried to kill people. My son is the only one who befriended him at school and asked me and my husband to take him in when he was living on the streets. And yes I am condering legal action for letting this kid get to the point of being incarecerated when sooo much COULD have been done but the school and local pd and child services chose not to act when it could have made a huge difference.
Because everyone else gave up on him and I understood him, my family and I decided to foster him when we were asked to by child services. They had nowhere else that would take him.

I agree with your last statement!!

. Schools want the funding that comes with special kids but are not equipped to truly deal with their issues. My foster son did NOT deserve what he got by the system!! They gave him a free pass on his behavior until he came of age partially thanks to his mom. He is now locked up.
I met this kid before I became his foster mom. He didn't deserve what he got nor did my son deserve to be exposed to a system that would allow a truly violent child a free pass on his behavior based on his disability.

Dan, I am not necessarily opposong your view, just entirely pissed at the sytems that creates these issues. Something has to change.
The entire system is fd up

U2U me if you have any info that can help me help my foster son, and I mean that.

Mamatus
This last couple of weeks I have become quite angry with my fellow citizens and my government. Make no mistake you NSA scanning all the posts, camper killing, WW2 vet killing, abusers of justice losers. Someday your war against your own citizens will backfire. And when it does I will say this right in public. I will be on the front lines and I will see the white of your eyes.

I am sick of whining about it on ATS. I have a few connections and I think at the very least I am going to try to start a campaign to pass a bill on the National Level to require ALL LEO's to wear cameras. Short of going to war I see no other alternative at this time.

Make no mistake, I would go to war, I would lay down my life to bring these sadistic BOOYAH! shouting cops to their knees.

Do not generalize, not all cops are bad, but it is time we as a community of humans do something about those that are. I am angry but fighting alone is only gonna happen if I find out I am terminally ill. Why? You get the Government you deserve and right now it appears the the USA for some reason deserves theirs.

I am angry and not sure I could stop myself from doing something real bad were I to be an eye witness to some of the crap I have seen this last few weeks.

I understand your anger but sometimes cops are put in a position to act and when they do it gets spilled all over the news without the back story as to why they got involved to begin with,
Classic move on medias part in the US and classic knee jerk response by its citizens when a story like this comes up.

We are an fd up as a nation right now.

Meldionne1
I'm getting the feeling there's a missing piece to this story....if the kid was in that much distress , the school nurse, medics, and probably police would have already been there and awaiting the mom. ...if the teacher was in that much of a panic, other teachers and the principal would have been alerted before the mom could have even had time to drive there....I get the fact she rushed in to take care of her son, but...if the teacher had that much of an emergency situation, I would think others would have been aware. I don't know....I think there's some thing missing to this story that has yet to come out.

edit on 23-3-2014 by Meldionne1 because: (no reason given)

From what I have gathered, there is indeed a missing piece. They simply wanted her to sign in and shaqueesha, as most of us know some of "their" culture, started "actin a fool" in a threatening manner so yes, they called the police.
Firepiston

reply to post by palmalBlue2


I understand "In the line of Duty" shootings. What I am upset about is the joy derived from the killings. The cop that killed the camper clearly said Booyah! after shooting the guy. I could give a crap whether he deserved it or not (kinda) what I care about the most is the JOY the cop got from it. Watch the video and tell me I am wrong.....

reply to post by FirePiston


This entire world has f'ing lost it. Congrats humanity.