Mom arrested at her son's school for not "signing in". School put on "LOCKDOWN".

FlyersFan
The SCHOOL called the woman down with an urgent situation. The woman reacted as any mother would be expected to act. The SCHOOL initiated the situation. When my daughter was in grade school (grades 5-8) her school was a size that the teachers knew all the parents. And most of the students knew the parents of the kids as well. Do we know the size of the school involved?

All we know for sure is that this woman "claims" she was called to come in. We haven't heard the school's version of the story. For all we know, the teacher was only calling to let the mother know that her kid had a meltdown. It may be that the mother decided on her own to come to the school. It may be that she lied to the staff about an "emergency" so they buzzed her in. When the principal found out there was no emergency, and considering this woman's possible problematic past, she/he may have made the decision to call police and lock the school down. I'm not saying for sure that's what happened, but there is no proof that what this mother said is what actually happened either.

reply to post by intrptr


Oh, there is a 100% way to prevent it. We can accept a complete loss of freedom to the end result of complete security. We've already traded further into that direction than we ever had the right to trade off from our Children's legacy to follow us.

People can make any excuse or justification for police tactics against mothers meaning no harm, and try and make criminal arrest and "lock down", of all things,..somehow right.

I'm just not buying that a mom called in to help should EVER have left in a police car for something as B.S. as a techie violation of signing a paper everyone else already knew her for.

BTW.. someone asked the numbers on this school. Here they are for size.


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marbles87
reply to post by Danbones

 

I have a sister with a metal disorder and is handicapped. And like I said Aspergers is not an illness it is a false sense of no social responsibility. I know people who use this as an excuse for socially unacceptable behavior and I'm not afraid to voice my view on this problem. As someone who was in scolastic tournaments with special needs child I can tell you Aspergers and Autism children use it as a crutch instead of fighting the thought they think there is something wrong with them because society says there is. If you have social, problems, have ticks, weird or goofy, have out of the box ideas.. You're not ill you are normal and society says you're not because "normal" is the new ill.

Your rebuttle?

read my lips mr expert:
nuerotransmitter/immune system dysfuction

if the mother only knew:
capsaicin (orally) stimulates the release of endorphins which prevents the episodes completely

but because of so called experts like you qualified by things like " knowing someone with a mental illness"
most aspies will never find out there IS an answer and stuff like this will just keep on happening

nice going hot shot

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Oh well i guess thats a fair excuse, i wonder if i had "my kid call me" from inside an airport that it would be okay to run through any check point i 'needed' to?

reply to post by Biigs


Did this woman pass federal checkpoints of officers screening the public for facility security?

Your comparison leaves me a bit wanting for context.

Wrabbit2000
Did this woman pass federal checkpoints of officers screening the public for facility security?

Your comparison leaves me a bit wanting for context.

Is your issue that the school had a sign in process or that their was a clear breakdown in common sense by all the parties involved?

I work in a high school as a school resource officer. So this is right up my alley.

The situation would dictate how to react. If there was a dire emergency (child seriously injured) then I wouldn't expect the parent to sign in. At my school the administration would call the parent and say something to the tune of "your child fell and broke his arm, paramedics are on the way, meet principal smith in the front office and they will escort you to your child."

If the situation was not an emergency the parent should sign in and get a badge. It is important to know who is on campus at all times. If anyone has an issue with that then they need to grow up.

Signing in is a way for the school to check if a vistor is a registered sexual offender. There are also incidents where a parent is court ordered not to see their child. This helps us identify those individuals.

If we didn't enforce those policies, and a student was abducted or harmed, the same people on here would be complaining that the school or the police didn't do anything. I am getting real tired of the double standards on this site.

As for the police response. If this parent came just to console her son I would leave it be. An arrest would be completely out of the question.

If she had been causing problems before, (like threatening to stab another parent) and she had already been warned about coming on campus without signing in an arrest may be necessary.

Yeah, yeah I know, I am a red coat, jack booted thug (insert rolling eyes).

Well your not the one responsible for dealing with parents coming on campus and assaulting and acosting other students. You are not responsible for parents coming on campus and trying to harm teachers. You are not responsible for dealing with drug dealers coming on campus and peddling their crap and trying to retaliate against students. You are not responsible for stopping people with guns trying to hurt people on campus. These are all things I have experienced working at a high school with 1600 students, in a town that only has 100,000 people.

You are not responsible for the safety and security of numerous children and faculty members. I am. But please feel free to go ahead and Monday morning quaterback. Especially about situations you most likely don't have all the info on, or most likely never experienced and responsiblites you probably do not have.

PS The police do not have the authority to issue a lock down or evacuation at a school. Only the Principal does. Even if there is an active, violent crime that is occuring (school shooter), or a bomb threat we don't issue evacuation or lock down orders.

PPS Sorry about the grammar. I was in rant mode.

reply to post by opethPA


lol.... Fair enough.

I have a major ongoing annoyance issue with the turning from open and friendly facilities our children may feel good about going to ...to ones that come to be difficult to distinguish in some cases from some of the nicer Juvenile detention facilities.

Ultimately though, she didn't get run into the local police station because a sign-in sheet existed, and I can appreciate accountability measures. She went because those in charge of handling them, enforce them to such extremes, no human is even required. Just have a computer recognize the violation and automate the response for handling. No more judgement than that seemed to have been in play.

if an aspie is having rage episode what then?
and the mom was delayed...or not avaliable
call the cops on the kid?
tazzer the kid?
cuff the kid?
jail the kid?

the whole situation is getting out of hand and it's more about liabilities then common sense
niether the cops nor the teachers may ever see their pensions the way things are going anyway
(bail ins and bail outs ....dig? )
so let the mother attend to her child

jeez
with all the whooplaw you'd think the kid ate a slice of cheeze into the shape of a colt revolver or something

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I think that using the quote "shouldn't trade liberty for security" is kind of an exaggeration in this situation but okay. I agree overall, that we shouldn't trade liberty for security.

We can argue all day that having a sign in process does, or doesn't deter crime (I understand it doesn't stop active shooter situations). It is something we can't really measure unless we stop the requirement for a while and compare statistics to when it was required.

However, I can verify that it has helped me stop parents that weren't supposed to see their child due to court orders. On one occassions the parent was not allowed to see their child because he beat the crap out of her. His intention was to take her out of state. Another was a father that was arrested for lewd and lacivious acts on his daughter. He was trying to come visit her. I can only imagine his reasons.

That being said, if you feel that schools shouldn't have a sign in/screening process, or confront people on campus they don't recognize, you better not blame the school or the police when something bad does inveitably happen.

Also, I would assume that since people don't like the requirement to sign in, then they also don't think that background checks should be performed on school volunteers?

reply to post by Danbones



If said child is posing a threat to others, then YES!! I EXPECT the school officials to keep my son safe and if it involves calling the police, then yes.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Biigs

 

Did this woman pass federal checkpoints of officers screening the public for facility security?

Your comparison leaves me a bit wanting for context.

the point, my sweet wabbit, is that you cant just avoid normal every day, established procedures because your kid is having issues.

Now if the women rang the school, said "im on my way please let me assist my son as soon as i arrive" somthing could be done to let her through, this did not happen.

I wouldnt want a worried panicking person into my sons school just as a random thing. She could have been mentally deranged, high, or simply manic.

You have to sign in to places like that because theres hundreds of innocent children there, why would you have anything against a tiny, minute security check?!?!

reply to post by TorqueyThePig


Thank you for speaking up on this!!

So even if they followed protocol and did call the police, when the police got there could they just not have said, it's okay...it was just a worried mom. No.......

It seems that once they're called situations tend to escalate instead.

FlyersFan
The SCHOOL called the woman down with an urgent situation. The woman reacted as any mother would be expected to act. The SCHOOL initiated the situation. When my daughter was in grade school (grades 5-8) her school was a size that the teachers knew all the parents. And most of the students knew the parents of the kids as well. Do we know the size of the school involved?

I thought the teacher called the parent? ...so if the teacher took the initiative to call the parent and not the school authorities...did the teacher break protocol and over step her boundaries? I realize the teacher is part of the school, or employed by them...but...did the teacher over step her bounds, and should have alerted principal to issue who would have called the mom, known mom is on her way , and met her at the door to meet ,greet and usher her to the child. I guess I'm confused as to why no one was waiting for her at the door, if her child was in that dire of an emergency? You know what i mean....

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Well if this was just a case of a parent worried about their child, then yes the police over reacted and IMO as an officer, made the wrong choice.

However, if the parent had previously threatned another parent and was warned about not signing in, then it changes things.

reply to post by TorqueyThePig

Had she? That's twice you've mentioned it.

And yes, of course it might change things. Even if it were the case, all it might or could legally change is their level of caution.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Good points.

I'm just not buying that a mom called in to help should EVER have left in a police car for something as B.S. as a techie violation of signing a paper everyone else already knew her for.

Me neither. Like that other thread where the lady was arrested for "correcting" a wall map.

Imo, what makes these stories over the top is not so much the schools reaction but what law enforcement considers breach of the law and their reaction to it.

reply to post by Danbones

jeez
with all the whoop law you'd think the kid ate a slice of cheese into the shape of a colt revolver or something

ROFL… cheesed my funny bone that one did.

If it turned out this parent started shooting up the school, than people would be complaining on how she just walked-in without notifying the office. There's procedures for building safety whether it's a school, government facility or business. Just because the principal knows her, doesn't mean she can't someday become enraged with anger and enter the school with a hand gun. There are safety precautions set-up at schools for the safety of the children, teachers and workers.

We had an incident at an elementary school in our district where the father walked in after school, walked up the back staircase and assaulted a female teacher because he didn't think his son deserved a detention. That teacher no longer felt safe in the school and is no longer in the profession because of this incident.

When parents expect a school to keep their children safe, this doesn't mean they get a free pass to walk onto the premises without notifying school officials in the front office.