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Caver78
Not to wander too far off topic but most down here don't know about the Canadian Serpent Mound, sadly everyone runs off to Ohio like it's the beat-all-end-all. We came across the Canadian site in the mid 90's and it's quite a place! Also accidentally found this on a map, and it's also an interesting place but just as little known.
www.pc.gc.ca...
Have you been to the Serpent Mound in Ohio? I've been to quite a few mounds and must say that there is definitely something "different" about it.
And by different, I mean amazing, in a uniquely-weird-it's-in-the-middle-of-no-where kind of way.
.than anything resembling either truth or science. Just so's ya know, eh?
I've got a pretty good idea of what the truth ain't. Further, as an historian and and archaeologist, I run in those circles and nothing has emerged beyond the odd ghost story. Sure, I'm in Canada...but since when does a modern-day international border matter to 'ancient giants'? They oughtta be scattered all over the landscape, n'est-ce pas? Show me one.
randyvs
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
.than anything resembling either truth or science. Just so's ya know, eh?
Johnny, you sound pretty sure. Can you say how it is you are so sure what the
truth is?
've got a pretty good idea of what the truth ain't. Further, as an historian and and archaeologist, I run in those circles and nothing has emerged beyond the odd ghost story. Sure, I'm in Canada...but since when does a modern-day international border matter to 'ancient giants'? They oughtta be scattered all over the landscape, n'est-ce pas? Show me one.
randyvs
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
've got a pretty good idea of what the truth ain't. Further, as an historian and and archaeologist, I run in those circles and nothing has emerged beyond the odd ghost story. Sure, I'm in Canada...but since when does a modern-day international border matter to 'ancient giants'? They oughtta be scattered all over the landscape, n'est-ce pas? Show me one.
See, now aren't you glad I asked? I am, cause you already had
my respect without the new info. Any thoughts on Love lock cave Nevada?edit on Ram31314v212014u15 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
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According to the Paiutes, the Si-Te-Cah were red-haired band of cannibalistic giants.[1] The Si-Te-Cah and the Paiutes were at war, and after a long struggle a coalition of tribes trapped the remaining Si-Te-Cah in Lovelock Cave. When they refused to come out, the Indians piled brush before the cave mouth and set it aflame. The Si-Te-Cah were annihilated.
Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, daughter of Paiute Chief Winnemucca, wrote about what she described as "a small tribe of barbarians" who ate her people in her book Life Among the Piutes: Their Wrongs and Claims - she wrote that "after my people had killed them all, the people round us called us Say-do-carah. It means conqueror; it also means "enemy." "My people say that the tribe we exterminated had reddish hair. I have some of their hair, which has been handed down from father to son. I have a dress which has been in our family a great many years, trimmed with the reddish hair. I am going to wear it some time when I lecture. It is called a mourning dress, and no one has such a dress but my family."[2] Hopkins does not mention giants.
The best line I ever heard on the subject came from one of my principal archaeology profs..."As an epigrapher, Barry Fell was one heck of a marine biologist!"
pteridine
Also read Barry Fell's book America BC. In it, arguments are presented that make the Vikings late comers.
I found this item fairly early on, on a site called 'Skeptoid'. It looks like a pretty well-reasoned analysis and if these points are true, they seem to lay the myths to rest. Link I'll see what's in the academic literature, though.
randyvs
Any thoughts on Love lock cave Nevada?edit on Ram31314v212014u15 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
irgust
reply to post by AlaskanDad
There is one just like it in Cahokia Ill. and it is also called the serpent mound.
I think it does our First Nations a disservice to attribute their cultural symbology to Old World beliefs. Besides, the time frames are way out of whack. Sometimes it's just a snake, eh?
bottleslingguy
irgust
reply to post by AlaskanDad
There is one just like it in Cahokia Ill. and it is also called the serpent mound.
I think the elephant in the room is that somebody was building these huge serpents mounds all over N America. Enki is represented by the serpent (among other things), maybe that is his territory?
JohnnyCanuck
reply to post by LABTECH767
Those 'giant tales' of late 19th century America have a whole lot more to do with
a) Selling newspapers;
b) Justifying screwing Native Americans out of their lands &
c) Trying to account for North America and its original inhabitants, which are inconveniently not accounted for in the Bible
...than anything resembling either truth or science. Just so's ya know, eh?
Adena Hopewell's, Dunlap, Hopeton, and Cedar Banks Earthworks in Ross County, Ohio
A Standard History of Ross County, Ohio 1917
Here was a seat of the Mound Builders densest population. A section of tweleve miles of the Scioto Valley, having as its central point the City of Chillicothe, exhibits ten groups of large works, accompanied by a great number of mounds. Within one enclosure, "Mound City," there are twenty-four tumuli, and the wole surface of the country round about may he said to be dotted with them. Of the ten enclosures which appear in this comparatively small territory, four have 2 1/2 miles of embankments each, and two of them enclose an area of 100 acres apiece, while the others embrace areas of no small magnitude.
That's crap. Academe is full of bright, enthusiastic grad students just aching to make their marks with new discoveries. All they have to do is prove it! The very fact that concepts of the peopling of the America's are currently in flux confirms just that.
Darkmask
Why do they lie? Because if they don't do what they are told and lie to us, their funding will be cut.
As to the accuracy in the estimate there can no question, as the cadaver has been carefully inspected and measured by Prof. Thomas Wilson, Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology in the Smithsonian Institution, and by other scientists. The tapeline even now registers the length from heel to top of the head at eight feet four inche
The mummy is that of an Indian and is almost certainly prehistoric, though its age cannot be determined with any sort of accuracy. Historical records of the part of California where it was found go back for at least 250 years, and they make no mention of any man of gigantic stature. How much older the body may be must be left open to conjecture. Its preservation, its preservation is no matter of surprise, in that arid region the atmospheric conditions are such that a corpse buried in the dry season might very well become perfectly desiccated before the arrival of the rains, and thus be rendered permanently proof against decay. The body was found in a cave by a party of prospectors. Over the head are the remnants of a leather hood. The man was well advanced in years.
This is the actual photo that was used in the newspaper article. Note how the mummy's arms are folded and how the man on the right is mimicking the pose. Unfortunately, the article mentions the Smithsonian which means the giant has been lost or destroyed. It is also important to note the symmetry of the mummy, whose gigantic size does not appear to be the result of Gigantism or any other of the physical dysfunction that archaeologists immediately hypothesize.
It is with great regret that I must remove Jim Vieira’s TEDx talk video: Stone Builders, Mound Builders and the Giants of Ancient America from the internet.
At 2:03 — You claim: “These structures are so staggering that people don’t even think they exist still.” In fact, there is a general archaeological consensus about the impressive civilization demonstrated by the moundbuilders in Cahokia and similar sites.
At 4:05 — You claim: “The moundbuilders who built all kinds of structures.” All evidence for the moundbuilders’ architecture suggests that they built with sod packets and wood.
At 4:19 — You mention carbon-dating but do not specify what was carbon-dated. You cannot carbon-date stone. Again at 6:00. At 7:26 — You mention Mayan theories. Since the recent deciphering of almost the full Mayan script, the astronomical preoccupation attributed to Mayan writings has been largely discredited. Most of the numbers found in the Mayan script are now believed to be dates of births, coronations and wars.
At 9:15 — You share newspaper clippings from the 19th century, including quotes from Abraham Lincoln, and claim they are evidence of giants. In fact, as one of our experts writes, “Skeletal hoaxes were common in the 19th century (e.g., Piltdown Man, the Cardiff Giant, and Barnum & Bailey Fiji mermaids [now at Harvard's Peabody Museum]). If (and this is a big if) the 8-foot skeleton is real, it could be a case of medical gigantism, but it is more likely a case of exaggeration.”