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90% of law enforcement officers stationed in the Crimea, went over to the authorities of the peninsula. The chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Autonomous Republic Sergey Aksenov . Oath of allegiance to the inhabitants of autonomy and brought the heads of key departments . Solemn oath given in Simferopol Crimea security chief , the head of the Main Department of Internal Affairs of the autonomous republic , head of the emergency services , as well as acting chief frontier . A little earlier in Sevastopol oath Crimeans brought commander of the naval forces of Ukraine Denis Berezovsky, who was appointed to the post of Kiev a few days ago . Already announced that he will lead the Navy created the Crimea. Today should be a decision on the formation of the Ministry of Defense . At the same time as the Prime Minister of Crimea , no prosecution of those who do not go to the side of autonomy , will not. " Not a single soldier who does not agree today to take the oath of the Crimean autonomy , will not be charged with any crime , I'll guarantee you . This all military will retain all payments , benefits, all statutory Packages pensions. Nobody gets hurt . we are only talking about cases where soldiers refusing to obey orders , his actions bring harm to life and health of people. Then, of course , all of this will be investigated in the framework of the law , "- he said. Sergey Aksenov also noted that the government of the autonomous republic in full control of the situation in Crimea. In particular, the self-defense forces occupied all the arsenals . Roads duty soldiers and combatants "Berkut" .
So, as far as we see we have no russian troops in Ukraine. We see spontaneously created militias Crimea from illegitimate power in Kiev. Any attempt to break this power on the Crimean peninsula could be considered military intervention bandits on the autonomous republic.
Those troops at the airport were carrying AK 105s this is a weapon carried by Russian spetsnaz not something you would find in Ukraine. Ukraine had made a version of the AK 74 called Vepr. There is no doubt this was Russian troops unless you think somehow someone broke into the russian base and stole them from a special forces unit. I find this scenario highly unlikely Russia is not fooling anyone trust me if i noticed what they were using dont you think every western country knows as well? They are Russian troops spetsnaz are easily identifiable.
Identification of weapons must pass international expertise, and not an evaluation on a photo. It can be characterized as the supply of arms to the most worst case for Russia. We can say that the Crimeans found a hidden warehouse of weapons in their territory or prompted them where to find it. By the way, as did the U.S. and NATO in Syria and Libya, supplying weapons and equipment to terrorists. We do not see anywhere decals armed forces of the Russian Federation. Therefore, we can build any number of conspiracy theories.
Hello, ive followed ATS for some years now and decided to join because this is really starting to get interesting. I watched some of the live feed on an ATS thread a month ago with the Ukrainian protests going on but Im lost after that. Im just trying to get all of my facts straight here and if someone could correct me it would be appreciated . What I have so far is that the Ukrainian people rioted because President Viktor Yanukovych decided to pull out of a treaty with EU and they felt EU would benefit them more than Putin and now they are undergoing change of government?
So far ive read almost all the way up to page 30 something but its getting late..
Feel free to correct me but this is my understanding of this whole ordeal so far. So Crimea is being taken over by Russian troops or pro Russian Ukrainians? Also I read that Russia is allowed to be in Crimea via a treaty but I also read that troops dont have any insignia's so why would they be out of uniform if they can be there to defend there bases? There has also been a draft and Ukrainian troops are moving to Crimea. Pro Russian supporters are protesting in cities as well. The U.S and UK must back up Ukraine because of a treaty in 1994. It is still unclear on what NATO may do but so far there is no real reason for NATO to intervene. Also from my understanding both sides are spitting out mass propaganda so its hard to figure out whats really going on. Feel free to add and or correct any info i may have misinterpreted or missed because im sure i did and i want to make sure i have my facts straight, its getting real late here and ive been reading for about 3 hours but thanks in advance and i hope this situation does not get too out of hand. I hope for the best for the people and families in Ukraine. Let them be safe from any violence that may come. Also thank you asen_y2k for keeping us informed and best wishes to you, your wife and your friend that was drafted, stay safe bud!
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American military involvement in the Ukrainian crisis is unlikely, but there clearly have to be economic sanctions taken against Russia by the U.S. and Europe, said U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn.
Arrears of Ukraine for Russian gas is 1.549 billion dollars, with this level of debt and the payment of a country can not save the current discount on gas , RIA " News " is the official representative of "Gazprom " Sergei Kupriyanov . Gazprom : Ukraine can not save a discount on gas "We have good relations with Ukraine , transit goes , so only need to pay for gas ... Currently overdue amounts to 1 billion 549 million dollars. Debt huge not only for the past year , but not repaid the debt for current supplies " - he said , noting that Russia gave Ukraine a loan of $ 3 billion just under the gas debt repayment . " Obviously , with such payments for gas and performance of its obligations Ukraine can not save the current discount on gas now . Arrangements discount provided for full and timely payment of delivery " - said Kupriyanov . " Naftogaz of Ukraine " as of February 14, paid the Russian "Gazprom" of $ 1.28 billion debt for delivered gas last year and asked to postpone repayment of the remaining part of the debt until April 15. As reported on February 3 Russian holding company , the debt of the Ukrainian side to "Gazprom " for the delivered gas in 2013 was 2.634 billion dollars. Thus, until February 15, " Naftogaz " was necessary to repay approximately $ 1.35 billion . In 2013, " Naftogaz Ukrainy " received from Russia about 13 billion cubic meters on average $ 400 per thousand cubic meters . In December last year, Ukraine has received from Russia discount for 2014 set price 268.5 dollars. At the same time agreed that the debt for 2013 to repay the country on January 25.
What we have at the moment : 1. Illegitimate power in Kiev , as impeachment Yanukovych failed legal procedure, and in fact the power takeover nationalists. 2 . Massive pressure on the new government of Ukraine Russian-speaking population , the adoption of legislative acts that undermine the foundations of the constitution and the right to self- identity in Ukraine. 2 . Eastern Ukraine disagreement with the legitimacy of the new government and the announcement of a referendum on secession from the Ukraine. 3 . Actually capture all power structures on the territory of Ukraine Crimea peninsula local armed population , with the assistance of some well-organized and armed structures , which hold unique identification is not possible. 4 . Information blockade Crimea peninsula from the rest of Ukraine (not mobile and wired communications, as well as the Internet). 5 . Attempts universal military mobilization Ukraine , sounding from the illegitimate government in Kiev. The lack of results in view of the latter chaos both in the government and military units and paragraphs mobilization.
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Wow - cheers for the un-sourced and totally random quoted text there....
This is a 2nd line...
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I think I made it quite clear - you posted text from an unknown source and without comment, which is actually against the T&C's..
1. Illegitimate power in Kiev , as impeachment Yanukovych failed legal procedure, and in fact the power takeover nationalists.
2 . Massive pressure on the new government of Ukraine Russian-speaking population , the adoption of legislative acts that undermine the foundations of the constitution and the right to self- identity in Ukraine.
2 . Eastern Ukraine disagreement with the legitimacy of the new government and the announcement of a referendum on secession from the Ukraine.
3 . Actually capture all power structures on the territory of Ukraine Crimea peninsula local armed population , with the assistance of some well-organized and armed structures , which hold unique identification is not possible.
. Information blockade Crimea peninsula from the rest of Ukraine (not mobile and wired communications, as well as the Internet).
5 . Attempts universal military mobilization Ukraine , sounding from the illegitimate government in Kiev. The lack of results in view of the latter chaos both in the government and military units and paragraphs mobilization.
Such a crash was widely predicted by experts after Russia approved the use of military force in Ukraine on Saturday, prompting widespread condemnation from the international community.
Trading of steel and mining company Mechel was temporarily halted as its shares fell 26 percent. Russia’s two largest banks, Sberbank and VTB, lost 8.2 percent and 11.2 percent respectively.
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- You don't need the UN for sanctions - these can be done unilaterally or through other bodies
- The Russian Navy is a joke and especially so compared to NATO. Besides, sanctions doesn't mean a blockade.
- If NATO countries decide to sanction Russia, that will have a huge effect. Russia relies on the EU for the majority of it's exports and foreign currency earnings.
- NATO countries are pretty much all on board with the idea of punishing Russia
- Russia is not "too big to sanction". The only card they have is the Gas one and that could backfire horribly on them if used.
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