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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on May, 6 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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US denounces 'bogus' referendum plan in east Ukraine

news.yahoo.com... 3.html



CNN International ‏@cnni · 21m
In #Ukraine, pro-Russian militants say there’s clear evidence the U.S. is playing a hand in the conflict: cnn.it...




MaidanOnline ‏@MaidanOnline · 54m
Yevgen Gapych: Journalist from Kolomya talked about tortures by separatists wp.me... fb.me...




Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters · 1h
Both sides bury dead as Ukraine slides towards war reut.rs...




Department of State ‏@StateDept · 1h
.@JohnKerry and @EU_EEAS High Rep #Ashton discuss #Ukraine, #SouthSudan + more: go.usa.gov... pic.twitter.com/GMsmofUyiI




posted on May, 6 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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Taras Kuzio ‏@TarasKuzio · 2h
Back to the USSR: the Crimean Tatar parliament (Mejlis) the Russian occupation authorities want to close down. www.rferl.org...



Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 3h
Ministry of Social Policy: 8,000 people moved from #Crimea to mainland #Ukraine wp.me... | EMPR News




Russians at NATO HQ ‏@natomission_ru · 4h
Russia notes further degradation of domestic political situation in Ukraine en.itar-tass.com...




The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag · 6h
Ukraine Liveblog: Heavy Fighting In Mariupol as Ukrainian Forces Reportedly Attack Separatists http://(link tracking not allowed)/1qbwIhw



edit on 6-5-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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I pulled this off aljazeera i hadnt seen this yet. But as i was looking for the articles on Ukraine i noticed something odd i was really expecting all the articles to be how the US is starting world war 3 and they are evil but what i found was different overwhelmingly there articles are supporting Ukraine and portray Russia as a bully picking on Ukraine. This really has me wondering even in there blogs you see support for Ukraine is it me or does anyone else think thats just odd???? PS thought the misspellings were funny in the article so i left them obviously English is not there first language.





Russia bans Kaliningrad military inspections: Lithuania

Lithuania has said Moscow shelved a bilateral agreement on military inspections on Monday amid increased concerns in Eastern Europe over a resurgent Russia.

The ex-Soviet Baltic nation's defence ministry said Moscow "unilaterally suspended" the 2001 deal that allowed Lithuania to send inspectors to Russia's Baltic Sea exclave of Kaliningrad on an annual basis.

"Russia's action...can be identified as yet another move towards the destruction of mutual trust and the security system in Europe."




posted on May, 6 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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reply to: tsurfer2000h Im not worry about him for now he live near the border he can walk to it



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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RT ‏@RT_com · 19s
Selective support: US set to punish Russia with sanctions for Ukraine elections, referendums results on.rt.com...



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Dolby_X
reply to: tsurfer2000h Im not worry about him for now he live near the border he can walk to it




He can request asylum / refugee status.


He should also possibly check to see if there are any consulates / embassies near him for assistance, although that could be extremely dangerous depending on what's going on there.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 10:34 PM
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The US can't launch commercial or military satellites without Russian engines for our rockets.
www.nbcnews.com...
Loss of access to those engines would seriously harm the US military. So much for sanctions, Russia can retaliate any time they choose.
If the Kiev government chooses to launch an all out assault on Slavyansk, they will cross Russia's red line and they will get the invasion they have been asking for.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: Matt1951
The US can't launch commercial or military satellites without Russian engines for our rockets.
www.nbcnews.com...
Loss of access to those engines would seriously harm the US military. So much for sanctions, Russia can retaliate any time they choose.
If the Kiev government chooses to launch an all out assault on Slavyansk, they will cross Russia's red line and they will get the invasion they have been asking for.


Us has a two year supply on hand they have plenty of time and Boeing new launch platform will be ready next year.And space X makes there own rockets the only thing this hurts is the Russian space program the money NASA gave it for launches was almost 3 times what space x gets. In fact there at the ISS now for resupply mission anyway. The reason it hurts Russia is they were using the billions NASA paid to pay rent on the cosmodrome in Kazakhstan without us help Russians wont be paying there rent since there space program was propped up with NASAs budget. Look who pays 70 million dollars for one seat for an astronaut.Space X can take a crew of 7 for 60 million. This was done to keep Russia in the game something tells me they wont make next years rent.




Elon Musk, founder and Chief Engineer of SpaceX, made the case at a congressional hearing last week for phasing out the Atlas V because of its dependence on Russian engines and using his "made in America" Falcon rockets instead. At the same hearing, ULA's Michael Gass stressed that ULA has a two-year supply of the RD-180 engines and is confident it could produce more on its own if the supply from Russia was disrupted.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: Matt1951

maybe you can point out to us where in the article you posted it states the US cant launch satellites without Russian engines.

The United states government - NASA / Air Force, in addition to private contractors are not facing an engine shortage.

You guys really should research more before making a claim that is not supported by facts. As an example we use a lot of our older minute man / minotaur rockets for launches.

The US air force has developed a satellite delivery system that is launched from fighter aircraft.

We have the X-37 B.

etc etc etc



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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CNN International ‏@cnni · 47m
Russia has stepped up military activity in the Pacific, including flights near Japan, Korea, and the western U.S.: cnn.it...


Another opposite side effect of Russia -

Lithuania MFA ‏@LithuaniaMFA · 48m
#NATO nations will have 2consider permanently basing troops in E Europe in the wake of #RU aggres. actions- top brass goo.gl...



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

CNN International ‏@cnni · 47m
Russia has stepped up military activity in the Pacific, including flights near Japan, Korea, and the western U.S.: cnn.it...


Another opposite side effect of Russia -

Lithuania MFA ‏@LithuaniaMFA · 48m
#NATO nations will have 2consider permanently basing troops in E Europe in the wake of #RU aggres. actions- top brass goo.gl...


This is actually painful for the United States they were hoping to be able to do troop reductions with wars winding down. Now it looks like the defense department will get an even bigger budget now. Especially if we end up sttioning troops like they did in Germany during the cold war.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Matt1951

maybe you can point out to us where in the article you posted it states the US cant launch satellites without Russian engines.

The United states government - NASA / Air Force, in addition to private contractors are not facing an engine shortage.

You guys really should research more before making a claim that is not supported by facts. As an example we use a lot of our older minute man / minotaur rockets for launches.

The US air force has developed a satellite delivery system that is launched from fighter aircraft.

We have the X-37 B.

etc etc etc



Google search is your friend. There are many articles such as this one:
www.dw.de...
Sad to say, the US has no alternatives available for several years.

The Kiev government cannot win re-election. Their only hope to stay in power is to entice Russia to invade, then cancel the elections.

Edit - I should not use the word re-election, as they were never elected in the first place.
edit on 6-5-2014 by Matt1951 because: added a correction



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: Matt1951

Your article says theres no other way to get to the space station see thats Russian propaganda youmight want to watch this it was the recent launch to resupply the ISS. Russia has been replaced but watch the video beter to see the launch.Wow they must not have any news were you live! By the way it is a cool launch of the falcon 9. Oh they didnt recover the rockets by the way rough seas and couldnt get there in time.

abcnews.go.com...



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:29 PM
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In July Thousands Of U.S. Troops & Soldiers From 11 Countries to hold training exercises in Ukraine!

We really didn't need CNN to tell us what we already knew but:

. . . ONLY 6% americans support U.S. intervention in Ukraine.


That leaves 94% of americans that OPPOSE U.S. intervention. Not very favorable.


(there must be a lot of pro-Kremlin trolls lmao)


Not shocking really, you can see this sentiment as a whole throughout ATS. The MAJORITY of americans don't want to support a govt that wages war on its own people. Rightfully so!


It's amusing how Western media won't touch the Odessa fiasco. I believe that if details of what happened got out on air - that 6% would drop down to 0%. . . well, 0.5% there still seems to be a slim minority out there and on ATS that still tries to push Kiev's unsellable "How to lose a country 101" handbook.


The interim govt started out with a noble cause but as soon as IMF dangled that 'bailout carrot' attached with an ultimatum to launch offensive against its own people, their cause took a drastic turn for the worst. Kiev's interim govt CHOSE to give the green light for the assault op. All I can say is that Olexandr Turchynov & Yats better start prepping for their 'safe haven' outside of Ukraine.


Russia gave this interim govt a warning about not waging a war against its own people because it's going to create resistance ten fold against their efforts.

And once again they refused to heed this warning. It's another example of their inadequate ability to govern Ukraine. Best solution at this point is to end their assault op - allow E.Ukraine to have their referendum & focus on holding their own Presidential elections.

. . . Any additional assault ops will not only undermine their ability to hold their Presidential elections but will also force more people to take a stand against them.


I made a statement 100's of pages back & it still holds true:


"This interim govt will fall onto its own sword"




Party of Regions wants Turchynov, Avakov and Nalyvaichenko to resign

Uh oh - trouble in paradise?



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: Matt1951




If the Kiev government chooses to launch an all out assault on Slavyansk, they will cross Russia's red line and they will get the invasion they have been asking for.


Why can't these idiots in Kiev walk the middle line, whereby

a) they develop friendly terms and further grow trade relations with Russia

b) also develop good trade terms with EU without any formal membership

c) declare Finlandization Policy whereby they will "NEVER" join NATO

This way they might save the industrially rich eastern part of Ukraine from breaking away and also get more help from both west and Russia in saving their economy from 'final bankruptcy'.

Russia is NOT a superpower anymore but is still a) a Nuclear Superpower b) Strong Regional Power

Both NATO and Ukraine should have thought several times before embarking into an 'ugly bold' move against Russia.

Even if East still breaks away, Kiev can still follow neutral policy and avoid the trouble for its people.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Funny you post facts that dispute your on claims it looked to me that ony 28 percent didnt want to take any action against Russia? Do you work for RT by any chance if not you should so apply.




posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: victor7
Victor,

The answer is because the current government in Kiev wants to retain power, not do what is best for Ukraine. At the very least, they want to disrupt the parts of Ukraine that would overwhelmingly vote against them. Suppressing the vote, or enticing a Russian invasion, either way they see that as the best path to stay in power.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: Matt1951

The US is doing just fine in space.

The current government in Kiev was elected by the Ukrainian people back at the end of 2012. Those members of Parliament are still in Kiev. Those members of Parliament followed the Ukrainian Constitution - from impeachment of Yanukovych, to appointing acting members of government and by scheduling Presidential elections in May (Which the constitution requires - 90 days from resignation / death / impeachment of the President). I find it odd that the people call the government Nazi. Even more being the fact they have complied with the Constitution, opened the door for observers, worked with the UN and the OSCE , and have agreed to independent investigations into the fiasco in Kiev and the fiasco in Odessa.

Maybe you can point out to me where Russia opened the door for the same in Crimea? Even the invasion of Crimea by Russia was text book Nazi (if you aren't familiar read up on the German invasion of Poland and how Germany started it).

Even worse, that blindness and hypocrisy the anti Kiev people have are demonstrated based on actions of the Russian / illegal Crimean government towards Tartars. That insult is extended to the people in the South and East, as an example the Jewish communities, who are making plans to leave those areas. They are not leaving because of the government in Kiev. They are leaving because of the prospect of once again falling back under a Russian government. A government that during WWII was an ally of the Nazis up until 1941 and who did nothing to protect Jews or any other group Stalin was paranoid about.

The United States is guilty of watching WWII happen until our own interests became at risk. The Soviet Union on the other hand actively assisted Hitler and Nazi Germany. The USSR would have been content on keeping that position until Germany messed it up and invaded the USSR.

So before you guys continue to throw rocks, maybe you could pick up a book and read about what's been going on, from WWII up to the present. You might be able to see that Putin's game plan is not a military secret. In fact its been in the public realm since the end of World War II.

The Soviet Union signed a treaty with Germany, dividing Poland and allowing the USSR to invade and occupy the Baltic States - Latvia / Lithuania / Estonia (all members of NATO now).

People bitch about the use of Molotov cocktails. The irony in that comes from the anti Kiev side and their complaining about their use. Again, if they knew history they would see the Molotov cocktail came about in WWII as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The secrete agreement between USSR and Germany re Poland / Baltic states and wait for it... Finland.

The Soviets stabbed Finland in the back and invaded. During the Soviet invasion of Finland, as they were dropping bombs, Molotov kept reporting they were dropping food and supplies, not bombs. A bottle filled with a combustible gas was used against the Soviet invasion. The Fins felt, that since USSR was dropping food, they would return the favor with drinks.


Lets look at Crimea -
Armed masked men storm the government and forcibly remove the elected Prime Minister of Crimea, who was elected by the Crimean people.
They then arbitrarily appoint a new Prime Minister, violating Crimea's constitution (and Ukraine's) by not holding an election.
They scheduled an illegal vote (both constitutions were violated... again).
They did not give people the chance to stay a part of Ukraine.

Putin's report that came out showed the reality of the scam they ran in Crimea.
The UNHCR report also shows the massive issues that occurred in Crimea.

By the way the 2012 elections in Ukraine, in addition to those member in Parliament, was supported by Russia who acted as observers during the election. they released a statement supporting the elections as being fair and had no issues with the members who were elected.

So if you are going to continue to defend Russia, I would suggest you think long and hard, in addition to researching an understanding history, before you start throwing rock sin your glass house.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: Matt1951
a reply to: victor7
Victor,

The answer is because the current government in Kiev wants to retain power, not do what is best for Ukraine. At the very least, they want to disrupt the parts of Ukraine that would overwhelmingly vote against them. Suppressing the vote, or enticing a Russian invasion, either way they see that as the best path to stay in power.



Yet the government in Kiev has scheduled elections all the while Russia is demanding they stop the elections.

Please support your statement the government in Kiev wants to retain power and please support it with facts and sources and not opinions.

yes - The Soviet Union / Russia are everyone's friends - until it no longer suits them.

just remember - a true friend stabs you in the front instead of using Polonium laced Sushi.


As for the complete and total lack of research / understanding of history and WWII coming from the Anti Kiev side all I can say is maybe the goose stepping morons should try reading books instead of burning them and maybe, just maybe they would not be as lost on this situation as they demonstrate.
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posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:54 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Matt1951




If the Kiev government chooses to launch an all out assault on Slavyansk, they will cross Russia's red line and they will get the invasion they have been asking for.


Why can't these idiots in Kiev walk the middle line, whereby

a) they develop friendly terms and further grow trade relations with Russia

b) also develop good trade terms with EU without any formal membership

c) declare Finlandization Policy whereby they will "NEVER" join NATO

This way they might save the industrially rich eastern part of Ukraine from breaking away and also get more help from both west and Russia in saving their economy from 'final bankruptcy'.

Russia is NOT a superpower anymore but is still a) a Nuclear Superpower b) Strong Regional Power

Both NATO and Ukraine should have thought several times before embarking into an 'ugly bold' move against Russia.

Even if East still breaks away, Kiev can still follow neutral policy and avoid the trouble for its people.


Well my first guess as to why Ukraine wouldnt continue friendly relations might be Russia taking over part of there territory and bringing armed troops in to Ukraine. Putin Played this all wrong if he sat back there was no way Ukraine was going to cut Russia out of the equation but now he made that a necessity.So far everything Putin was trying to avoid he created i seriously doubt in a year or two hell stil be president once the Russian people learn the truth. Hes narrative is slowly unraveling. Putins own government admits Crimea was a farse election. Russian ruble is still on the slide despite attempts to prop it up. Had another huge slide on there stock market and this isnt even including the next round of sanctions which will include technology meaning no new PCs for russians. There banking industry will be hurt this time state department mentioned pulling visa and master card. There gas industry is highly dependent on us parts. To tell you the truth at this point now that there putting this on the table im surprised Putin isnt backing off Ukraine.
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