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Another confirmation of CIA/FBI Presences in Kiev. For those that claimed that report was fake and mislead by RussiaToday.

Report: CIA and FBI helping Ukranian government quell rebellion in east

Dozens of specialists from the US Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation are advising the Ukrainian government, a German newspaper reported Sunday. Citing unnamed German security sources, Bild am Sonntag said the CIA and FBI agents were helping Kiev end the rebellion in the east of Ukraine and set up a functioning security structure.

a reply to: sosobad

especially after NATO has declared Russia the enemy? Have a think about that one.

And why exactly did they declare Russia an enemy?

Here this may be a reason...

Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of Nato, said: "Clearly the Russians have declared Nato as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner."

He said Russia's annexation of Crimea and its apparent manipulation of unrest in eastern Ukraine have fundamentally changed the Nato-Russia relationship.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

So NATO had no problems with Russia until they decided that Crimea was theirs for the taking, which it wasn't.

Not much to think about as it is pretty simple...

Don't annex another countries territory and NATO doesn't consider you an enemy.

Possible fighter jet being shot down in Ukraine. Not embeded, embed does not work for me, feel free to though.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: sosobad

especially after NATO has declared Russia the enemy? Have a think about that one.

And why exactly did they declare Russia an enemy?

Here this may be a reason...

Alexander Vershbow, the deputy secretary-general of Nato, said: "Clearly the Russians have declared Nato as an adversary, so we have to begin to view Russia no longer as a partner but as more of an adversary than a partner."

He said Russia's annexation of Crimea and its apparent manipulation of unrest in eastern Ukraine have fundamentally changed the Nato-Russia relationship.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk...

So NATO had no problems with Russia until they decided that Crimea was theirs for the taking, which it wasn't.

Not much to think about as it is pretty simple...

Don't annex another countries territory and NATO doesn't consider you an enemy.

I know why they declared the enemy, wouldn't have said so if I didn't, but thanks for the link.

You didn't answer the first part of my post, as the Russian leader would you want NATO or western powers surrounding you? Getting closer and closer encroaching on the buffer zones that Russia feels comfortable with.

here you go...

originally posted by: angelchemuel
here you go...

That is still as of yet unconfirmed footage of a jet shot down this morning in Eastern Ukraine

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Another confirmation of CIA/FBI Presences in Kiev. For those that claimed that report was fake and mislead by RussiaToday.

Is there any international law that says the US or any other country for that fact aren't allowed to help a country by sending advisers when asked for help.

If you can show that either one of those agencies are actively fighting with boots on the ground you may have something.

And are you saying Russia has never sent advisers into a country that asked for help when they had trouble?

a reply to: sosobad

You didn't answer the first part of my post, as the Russian leader would you want NATO or western powers surrounding you?

I wouldn't have a problem as long as they didn't try to take over any land that is considered part of Russia.

Unlike what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

Now NATO wasn't started yesterday, so why is Putin deciding now is the time to get mad and invade a country that isn't affiliated with NATO or the EU.

In fact this probably gives Ukraine more of an incentive to join either one of those just to protect it's own country.

a reply to: sosobad

Getting closer and closer encroaching on the buffer zones that Russia feels comfortable with.

They wouldn't be so worried if they would stop trying to retake old areas that were once part of Russia.

The world is changing and this isn't making the Russian leader happy, as it seems like he is afraid of change.

Mods,

thanks for removing my post, seriously, I did not mean all that.



cheers board)

a reply to: darkorange

Mods,

thanks for removing my post, seriously, I did not mean all that.

Now that's something I don't think I have ever seen before on ATS.

And you get a star for being honest.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

No there is no law.

The UN charter actually allows for nations to ask for assistance in hostile incidents. Since the government in Ukraine is still recognized as the legitimate government, they are covered in their request.

originally posted by: canucks555
Possible fighter jet being shot down in Ukraine. Not embeded, embed does not work for me, feel free to though.

www.youtube.com...

Wow, who's jet? Anyone know?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

It may be from Putin's perspective that having NATO put up elaborate missile defenses in eastern Europe gives a potential offensive tactical advantage to the west. And could severely weaken Russia's ability to retaliate if attacked.

You have to try to see from his perspective.

How would the USA react if Russia was forming alliances with Canada and Mexico, and setting up elaborate missile defenses near the USA?

a reply to: ausername

How would the USA react if Russia was forming alliances with Canada and Mexico, and setting up elaborate missile defenses near the USA?

Cuban Missile Crisis.

Now did The US take and annex any other countries territory because of that...no.

And is it wrong for people to want freedoms that they couldn't get with Russia?

a reply to: ausername

Based on the number / locations / types of missiles Russia has coupled with the amount they can fire off in one go cannot be stropped by missile defense. I would like to know where this falsehood keeps coming from.

Besides a nuclear exchange will pretty much mean the system failed anyways and in the end wont protect anyone.

Its designed to counter act a launch from a nation with limited capabilities who would like for nothing more than to see 3 eyed fish and chickens the size of Big Bird in the west. In other words, its designed to defend against a nation with limited abilities where only a few missiles are possible.

originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

It may be from Putin's perspective that having NATO put up elaborate missile defenses in eastern Europe gives a potential offensive tactical advantage to the west. And could severely weaken Russia's ability to reatiate if attacked.

You have to try to see from his perspective.

How would the USA react if Russia was forming alliances with Canada and Mexico, and setting up elaborate missile defenses near the USA?

who knows, may be behind closed doors they are forming alliance while we speak. LOL)

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Different time completely different circumstances. I was playing devil's advocate and trying to look at things from a Russian perspective.

Personally I think Putin is slightly delusional, extremely paranoid, and has the ego and power to make him an extremely dangerous "adversary".

NATO has made some provocative moves, and have perhaps underestimated him.

a reply to: angelchemuel

Yes, it is just that you posted the same video simultaneously to me. So I edited mine to quote yours and added that clarification, that it was unconfirmed.