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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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U.S. will allow just 'days' for implementation of Geneva deal

Or it will do what ?




Baer said the United States had suggested that President Vladimir Putin or other senior Russian officials could make public statements saying Moscow did not support the illegal armed takeover of municipal buildings.


More huffing and puffing, no fly zones for Mrs Putin or take drastic measures like closing an embassy

Its bluffing IMHO and both sides are in on it.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

Phase 3 of approved sanctions.

It will target sectors of the Russian economy instead of individuals. It would also result in the cancelation of military orders Russia has with EU nations, specifically the 2 mistral class helicopter carriers France is building.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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AtlanticCouncil ‏@AtlanticCouncil · 5m
.@MKasyanov: Putin keeps talking about "the "threat of external enemies." This is a sign of his weakness #ACRussia




Barry Pavel ‏@BarryPavel · 3m
.@MKasyanov: Putin's goal: press west, swallow Crimea, destabilize all of Ukraine if he can, resulting in a subordinated Ukraine. #ACRussia

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

OK France does not build ships, sacks worker and Russia has to build it's own

"It will target sectors of the Russian economy"

Well lets hope that includes gas/oil contractors and pisses off the public who will only rally behind Putin even more.

Now if you don't mind can you please answer my Yes/No question please and I will forgive you the "What has oil prices got to do with this thread"



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k





Source: #Russia has enlisted the help of violent #Chechen gangs to help pro-#Kremlin forces in #Sloviansk #Ukraine


I always wondered whether or not some of the green men could possibly be Chechen fighters.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:03 PM
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Uhm.. yeah.. Putins not egomaniacal at all...


RIA Novosti ‏@ria_novosti · 5m
Coins featuring a portrait of President Vladimir Putin were made in Russia in honor of Crimea's reunification. pic.twitter.com/lA5BktTRfh




What more do people need to get it across that this is all about Putin and his image instead of Russia?



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard

OK France does not build ships, sacks worker and Russia has to build it's own


Russia can't build these class vessels since they don't know how to build them. Its one of the reasons Russia bought them from France. Also the company does business with more than just Russia and has other countries wanting those vessels so no one would be fired, no matter how you want to try and spin that one.



originally posted by: VirusGuard
"It will target sectors of the Russian economy"

Well lets hope that includes gas/oil contractors and pisses off the public who will only rally behind Putin even more.

right...




originally posted by: VirusGuard
Now if you don't mind can you please answer my Yes/No question please and I will forgive you the "What has oil prices got to do with this thread"


I did a page or so back. It requires that you actually read AND understand it.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:09 PM
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euronews ‏@euronews · 3m
Ukraine: Polls suggest Poroshenko may win presidential election eurone.ws...




AtlanticCouncil ‏@AtlanticCouncil · 3m
.@mkasyanov: Putin does not want free and fair elections in Ukraine. He wants a weak government so he can claim rights there. #ACRussia




MaidanOnline ‏@MaidanOnline · 3m
France does not want Putin to come on April 23. wp.me... fb.me...

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RIP Boris Yeltsin

The WorldPost ‏@TheWorldPost · 1m
"You can build a throne with bayonets, but it's difficult to sit on it." -- Boris Yeltsin, died on this day in 2007

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard

originally posted by: asen_y2k

Source: #Russia has enlisted the help of violent #Chechen gangs to help pro-#Kremlin forces in #Sloviansk #Ukraine


Note sure how true but that far right leader from the Ukraine who got bumped off was quoted as asking some Chechen terrorist group for help in attacking Russia.

Hope you take my word for it but feel free to ask for a link


I work with a lot of Russian entrepreneur clients in Dubai which, as you may or may not know, has become an offshore haven for the post loans for shares scheme oligarch empire. One thing I can tell you is that the hegemony of Russia's ONE political party, Russia United, and private business conglomerates is intractably linked.

This incident you speak of where Yarosh supposedly posted an appeal to Kavkaz leader, on Russian Facebook equivalent Vkontakte.com, has been much played up by the Kremlin propaganda machine…

rt.com...

The statement was later retracted or rather delated and Yarosh claimed the account had been hacked (within the realm of possibility since its founder Pavel Durov had his company literally taken over by agents of MVD last month).

www.themoscowtimes.com...

Others here seem to be labeling you a 'Russian sympathizer' and with this I can relate on some level since I am becoming bound to many Russian colleagues and friends, am a great admirer of Slavic culture and so forth. However all my these intimates also possess a modicum of intelligence to recognize a wolf in sheep's clothing when they see one.

If you or anyone thinks this is about oil companies in the general sense, I might ask you to be a bit precise in your investigation. True is that oil is a fundamental resource of many conflicts (including the longstanding civil war that forced many of my people to become a diaspora). But you might look closer at primary beneficiaries within the energy sectors of a fledgling 'Eurasian Union' and most importantly look at their governing ideology—how they keep their people both feeling secure and obedient. Euromaidan's thousands who came after only a couple hundred students were beaten are to Putin and the Oligarchs a direct threat. The idea of such a challenge on Pushkin square is the most direct threat to their power and wealth imaginable. And it is this I assure you which is the driving force of events at present. The West is only reactionary and woefully equipped.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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I did a page or so back. It requires that you actually read AND understand it.


No sorry mate "Yes" is a three letter word and "No" is two letters but maybe it's my fault for making the question too difficult for you.

So I will have to take your second answer "What has this thread got to do with oil prices" as your answer, smile to myself and move on to "Russia cannot build it's own ships" and see if I can get a number.

Ok Xcathdra are you saying that anyone that gets something built abroad is

1. Incapable of building it themselves
2. Having it built abroad because it is cheaper
3. Handing out foreign contracts to make friends or to bribe people
4. Making a charitable donation
5. Paying top buck for quality and craftsmanship
6. GOSUB 1
7. In less than one line Xcathdra can add this one



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:55 PM
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Last time - pay attention -

Your Question -

OK so without me saying the sky is blue and you pointing out it's black at night are you trying to say that oil has nothing to do with any conflicts that they USA is actively engaged in.

A simple yes or no will do.



originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: Xcathdra

OK so without me saying the sky is blue and you pointing out it's black at night are you trying to say that oil has nothing to do with any conflicts that they USA is actively engaged in.

A simple yes or no will do.





A simple yes or no wont do since its not the position you are trying to push. not to mention the question you just asked has absolutely nothing to do with the previous posts you made. STOP moving the goal post would you please.

You keep claiming the US benefit's from high oil prices when in fact it does not.

According to the title of this thread its based on Ukraine updates.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine to protect "ethnic Russians" I don't understand how oil has anything to do with the thread, aside from your theory that tries to include the US into something we cant be a part of because we are not an oil exporting nation, where as OPEC nations are.

As I stated time and again, if you did your research you would notice the US has not profited from Iraqi oil as Chinese companies have snagged those contracts. If you would research instead of just believing what Russia tells you to believe we would not have to have these off topic debates.

Please for the love of God exercise independent thought would you please.


Stop dragging the thread off topic please. I answered your question, in its various forms as you were proven wrong and kept moving the goal post.

The above is my answer to the question you posted. If you don't like my answer I don't care - its my answer and its what you are getting.

Move on and stop dragging the thread off topic with your minutia.


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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: ALoveSupreme

Much respect and I can see you put a lot into that and I will try to take some of that on board.

I could actuality add a little bit but I don't like giving out to many clues about myself but well written and welcome to ATS



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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You want to quote Yeltsin?????



The WorldPost ‏@TheWorldPost · 1m
"You can build a throne with bayonets, but it's difficult to sit on it." -- Boris Yeltsin, died on this day in 2007


He who was known as "The Drunk Bear"


Bill Clinton had to call Russia’s first president early in the day to catch him sober. But the U.S. could work with Yeltsin—though he chose a successor who would ‘repudiate his legacy.’




As the first president of the Russian Federation after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Boris Yeltsin’s biggest mistake was picking Vladimir Putin as his seventh or ninth prime minister.


and......



Putin was actually Yeltsin’s sixth prime minister, for those keeping count. Named in August 1999 by Yeltsin, who was deeply unpopular, in failing health, and whose heroic stand atop a tank in defiance of a communist-led coup eight years earlier had been forgotten, replaced by anger over food shortages and rampant corruption.


www.thedailybeast.com...



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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yes because the quote I posted made sense and could apply to Putin, even more so since they worked together. That whole thing about ignoring history and all....

Sorry if it touched a nerve with you.


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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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Looks like Russian bombers did enter Dutch airspace.


Dutch fighter jets intercept 2 Russian bombers in their airspace


(CNN) -- Dutch fighter jets scrambled Wednesday to intercept a pair of Russian military aircraft that entered their airspace, a fairly routine action that comes amid heightened tensions between Russia and NATO, a Dutch official said.

Maj. Wilko Ter Horst said that the military learned around 3:50 p.m. (9:50 a.m. ET) that two Russian TU-95 bombers, known as Bears, had come a half-mile inside its airspace.

A pair of Dutch F-16 military jets were then dispatched to escort the Russian planes and "ensure they (flew) out of our airspace," said Ter Horst, a Dutch military spokesman.

Such a sequence of events isn't uncommon, with the Netherlands military spokesman explaining "this is a national procedure when aircraft infringe (on) national Dutch airspace." He estimated Dutch fighter jets scramble to check out unknown aircraft -- be they from Russia or another country -- about four or five times a year.


click link for remainder of article.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 06:17 PM
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I for one hope there isn't a war. I have interests in stocks and shares in various companies, including two well known oil companies. War, regardless of how small or big it is, affects the markets. At the moment there is very little change but one wrong move by Russia, Ukraine or NATO would undoubtedly cause chaos. I'm actually considering selling off some of my interests dependent on what happens in the next week or so. Interesting times ahead.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 06:17 PM
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Anyone is free to back track and see your posts and consistently throughout the thread you say words to the effect of

"Stop dragging the thread off topic please."

I would be delighted to know why taking about the France canceling the ship building order is off topic since you brought it up in the first place but again when persuade for your reasoning behind what you said you fail to provide an answer but instead jump all over the place with more rants.

In words note exceeding one line please confirm that you believe that Russia lacks the technical capabilities to build these ships because Yes,No or even 1,2,3 answers have demonstrable been proved too difficult for you to agree with.

NCJ [1]



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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Its not.. your bs comments on the oil and US profiting when prices go up is. Its been the focus of the "stop dragging the thread off topic" response since I gave you your answer, even though you refuse to read it. Instead of reading the posts, you once again post on something that is not being discussed in a manner that drags the thread... off topic.

If you cannot pay attention / read the posts, why bother posting?



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: ALoveSupreme

Much respect and I can see you put a lot into that and I will try to take some of that on board.

I could actuality add a little bit but I don't like giving out to many clues about myself but well written and welcome to ATS



Thank you for your welcoming me here VirusGuard.

I admit that I have in recent months become obsessed with the latest mutation of Kremlin strategy. I too am wary of revealing too much about my vocation which is sensitive and this has presented some difficulties when reaching out to those who have done new research or have insight on these topics. But suffice it to say that these recent developments confirm many long held suspicions I have had about the nature of global energy markets, private militaries, and media manipulations. But of course the real victims are the same as in all previous wars, i.e. the everyday people. I have already lost one very dear to me in this conflict some years not too long ago. I suspect there is no single truth to be found in greed-motivated wars such as this but when and if I am given the chance I will make good on a promise I made.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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I am going to get in trouble for this.

You evil little bar............ err..............well ...............

Sounds right to me but know when to stick and know when to flip because these big players will stuff you on the up as well as the down on oil.

I suspect a better long term plan would be defense contractors because even if this blows over these guys will still be getting a lot of money coming their way that's for sure.

if this goes all the way then I know I would prefer to be holding gold or silver in my hands instead of any contracts for oil.



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