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Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

what did you leave out of your post from wiki?


The term petrodollar should not be confused with petrocurrency which refers to the actual national currency of each petroleum exporting country.

In addition to the United States petrodollar, a petrodollar can also refer to the Canadian dollar in transactions that involve the sale of Canadian oil to other nations.

Large inflow of petrodollar in a country often has an impact on the value of its currency. For Canada it was shown that an increase of 10% in the price of oil increases the Canadian dollar value versus the US dollar by 3%[2] and vice versa.



So no, you would be wrong.

your Bloomberg article is from 2012 -

Also you missed this part -

The OPEC nations -- Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela -- provide about 44 percent of the world’s oil. They will earn $1.105 trillion in 2012, up from an estimated $1.01 trillion last year, which was a 30 percent increase from $778 billion in 2010, the government’s Energy Information Administration in Washington said.

They held $258.8 billion of the $10.428 trillion of Treasuries outstanding as of Jan. 31, up from $215.5 billion a year earlier and $211.9 billion in January 2010, Treasury Department data show.


Those monies coming into the US are buying US debt. It has no impact (positive anyways) on the US. The investments are based on profits those opec nations earn when oil prices hover into triple digits.

So, again, your theory on the US with high oil prices is wrong and you misrepresented your position by leaving out information that did not support your claim.


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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

OK so without me saying the sky is blue and you pointing out it's black at night are you trying to say that oil has nothing to do with any conflicts that they USA is actively engaged in.

A simple yes or no will do.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 03:52 PM
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English EuroMaidan ‏@EuroMaidanEN · 1m
#Infographic: Why #Crimea is NOT #Kosovo

Despite #Putin's claims that he must protect Russian-speaking people in... fb.me...




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 2m
Russian"Life News” = Lie News (they’re the creators of the fake RightSector card story as well |EMPR #Ukraine #Russia pic.twitter.com/O3hKRDLP3n




Allison Silver ‏@AllisonReuters · 5m
Putin's stealth invasion of Ukraine shows he learned lessons US didn't from both Soviets in Afghan & US in Vietnam reut.rs...



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: Xcathdra

OK so without me saying the sky is blue and you pointing out it's black at night are you trying to say that oil has nothing to do with any conflicts that they USA is actively engaged in.

A simple yes or no will do.





A simple yes or no wont do since its not the position you are trying to push. not to mention the question you just asked has absolutely nothing to do with the previous posts you made. STOP moving the goal post would you please.

You keep claiming the US benefit's from high oil prices when in fact it does not.

According to the title of this thread its based on Ukraine updates.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine to protect "ethnic Russians" I don't understand how oil has anything to do with the thread, aside from your theory that tries to include the US into something we cant be a part of because we are not an oil exporting nation, where as OPEC nations are.

As I stated time and again, if you did your research you would notice the US has not profited from Iraqi oil as Chinese companies have snagged those contracts. If you would research instead of just believing what Russia tells you to believe we would not have to have these off topic debates.

Please for the love of God exercise independent thought would you please.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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Hello Xcathdra a simple yes or no will do. it's not a very hard question for you to answer.



I don't understand how oil has anything to do with the thread,

So you don't understand the connection between war and oil prices






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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:04 PM
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English EuroMaidan ‏@EuroMaidanEN · 2m
Self appointed mayor of Sloviansk (and terrorist) Vyacheslav Ponomarev in an interview with gazeta.ru said that... fb.me...




English EuroMaidan ‏@EuroMaidanEN · 3m
I posted 2 photos on Facebook in the album "Wall Photos" fb.me...




Nikolay Vorobiov ‏@komitet2012 · 18m
Former #Russia PM Mikhail Kasyanov starts in 20 minutes @AtlanticCouncil DC on Putin's foreign policy #ukraine pic.twitter.com/iEqVGNbdnx



Finally - Russia includes Russian citizens in their war threat -

RT ‏@RT_com · 8m
Lavrov: If Russian citizens, legitimate interests attacked, we will respond in line with int’l law (FULL INTERVIEW) on.rt.com...


Since Russia has brought a crap ton of their citizens into Ukraine (Crimea, South and East) the pieces are in place for them to continue their bogus invasion and land grab.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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Also you cant jam the aegis system you could turn it off if you're on the ship. See when they are talking electronic warfare the plane trys to jam radar signals by sending back noise. Problem is Aegis just inst its phased array radar meaning unless russians learned to break the laws of physics there not jamming it. So im going to call BS on the story. Most likely the russian pilot saw active scanning Aegis can also do passive and the ship turned it off to prevent him from being shot down. they can even uplink it to Space Tracking and Surveillance System as well. which is thermal sensors in space for tracking. Sorry the system is just to cool i go overboard but if the system were armed the su 25 would have been downed.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Matt1951

originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: victor7


Are you sure the west wants to fight a war over the Ukraine or could it be that Putin/Iran and USA are not just pushing oil prices up to benefit all of them.


You hit the nail on the head.


Ah so we are once again back to oil prices -

Lets see -
* - Ethnic Russians in danger
* - Humanitarian issues
* - Coup in Kiev
* - NATO expansion
* - Asking to join Russia
* - Independence
* - Oil
* - Collapse of Soviet Union illegal
* - Formerly occupied E. European countries have Ethnic Russian populations.

am I missing anything else that has been stated by Pro Russian / Putin as justification for invasion of Ukraine?


You are very consistently wrong. I am not pro-Russian,I am just not an emotional Russian hater like you. The price of oil and gas being kept high is always in the interests of big oil and the bankers that own them. To summarize, the US will not wage war on Russia. Not conventional, not nuclear. No matter what. So what is the end result of US threats to Russia? The price of gasoline in the US is high because of "tensions in Ukraine". Any actions the US takes will increase the cost of energy. So who benefits?



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

im not too concerned about it since the posted information does not even support the Russian version of events.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: Matt1951

Yet I am not the one constantly stating a war is going to occur. I am also not the one constantly stating Russia will nuke the US. I am not the one constantly arguing the US profits from high oil prices.

Its not my fault they don't know the difference between oil and LNG.


I am not a Russia hater by the way so don't put words in my mouth. What I do have an issue with are people who are pro Russian constantly posting BS and when asked to support it, they go off. As for me being consistently wrong, I will tell you the same I tell the others.

Point it out, back it up and we can go from there. IfI am wrong I have no issues admitting it, as I have done in this as well as other threads.

But don't come in, accuse me of something and then not support it. Its is as meaningless as posting comments about Russia's Cosmic weapons as some pro Russians like to do.

And anybody but the United States.

Which, again, undermines the arguments some of the Pro Russians are trying to make.
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:14 PM
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"I don't understand how oil has anything to do with the thread"

Well thank you for joining this discussion it has been most useful in weaning out bug in our AI systems and we are making progress on negative feedback loops.

Oil prices and public approval ratings for Putin standing up to the USA I don't think is the big slice of cake but the military spending contracts in the USA are.

Would you agree ?


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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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AtlanticCouncil ‏@AtlanticCouncil · 6m
Starting now, tweet #ACRussia & watch here: http://(link tracking not allowed)/1rmSqug



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: Matt1951

but the military spending contracts in the USA are.


Oh by all means... explain this one.



posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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Its not my fault they don't know the difference between oil and LNG


Man calm down and I will go back and smash anyone in who said oil and LNG are the same, just give me the names of these people or just a link to the pages if you don't want to be a grass.

Please may I have a yes or no on my question now please and then we can carry on

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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AtlanticCouncil ‏@AtlanticCouncil · 11s
Sanctions on individuals the "absolutely right decision"
@MKasyanov #ACRussia http://(link tracking not allowed)/1rmSqug




AtlanticCouncil ‏@AtlanticCouncil · 1m
Sanctions are already bringing appropriate effect, creating an atmosphere inside
@MKasyanov #ACRussia http://(link tracking not allowed)/1rmSqug




Barry Pavel ‏@BarryPavel · 2m
.@MKasyanov: Putin & his team didn't expect western reaction, esp individual sanctions, which already r having effect. #ACRussia




Eurasia Center ‏@ACEurasia · 3m
.@MKasyanov: After Russia-Georgia war, Europe returned to business as normal & Putin thinks he can do as he pleases #ACRussia




AtlanticCouncil ‏@AtlanticCouncil · 4m
Putin thought the West would only pay lip service to universal values
@MKasyanov #ACRussia http://(link tracking not allowed)/1rmSqug

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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Eurasia Center ‏@ACEurasia · 3m
.@MKasyanov: Putin's regime is moving towards death, inevitable collapse. Sanctions will speed this up #ACRussia


This is what Russia supports -

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 1m
#Sloviansk's self-imposed "mayor" V. Ponomarev promised prevent elections How? "take hostage & hang him by the balls" pic.twitter.com/GyWtjGJPLS

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US Mission to NATO ‏@USNATO · 1m
Świdwin airbase, Poland: US Army Europe 173rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Airborne) at event marking new exercises pic.twitter.com/K4ffdQRQZX

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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Oooopps


Barry Pavel ‏@BarryPavel · 3m
.@MKasyanov: Putin was sure that German industry would never allow German govt to approve the sanctions. #ACRussia




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 2m
Ukraine accuses Russians in deputy's murder wp.me... via @wordpressdotcom |EMPR News #russiainvadesukraine #Bezler #Ponomarev

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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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Its is as meaningless as posting comments about Russia's Cosmic weapons as some pro Russians like to do.


Russians are broke in Stealth but way advanced in cosmic knowledge. It's like saying US is top in micro and Russia is top in macro. Go figure !!




posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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Sanctions are already bringing appropriate effect, creating an atmosphere inside
@MKasyanov #ACRussia http://(link tracking not allowed)/1rmSqug


I would like to checkout this story to see what this "creating an atmosphere inside " is but it says "link tracking not allowed"


Often when I write code I have bugs in it like that and it takes ages to realize the mistake but I hope you will oblige and give me a link please so that i can follow what you are saying

Victor7

"Russians are broke in Stealth"

Well if they have any type of Stealth then they seem to be keeping it to themselves
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posted on Apr, 23 2014 @ 04:38 PM
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U.S. will allow just 'days' for implementation of Geneva deal



(Reuters) - Russia has not fulfilled its part of an international agreement to defuse tension in Ukraine and Washington will only wait "days" more for the accord to be implemented, a senior U.S. official said on Wednesday.

"Russia has not taken the steps that it needs to take" under the agreement reached in Geneva last week, Daniel Baer, the U.S. Ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), said.

Under the deal, the European Union, Russia, Ukraine and the United States agreed that illegal armed groups in Ukraine would go home in a process to be overseen by Europe's OSCE security watchdog.

But no sooner had the accord been signed than both sides accused the other of breaking it, while the pro-Moscow rebels disavowed the pledge to withdraw from occupied buildings.

Baer said the solution was for Russia to act.

"If failure happens, it will be because Russia has failed to stop its negative, destructive actions and to move to a constructive path," he said, speaking at a Brussels event organized by the German Marshall Fund think-tank.




Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 2m
#Russian nationalism inevitably deteriorates into militarism,imperialism,and even fascism-Tuminez Russian Nationalism Since 1856 @GorseFires

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