Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

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Still quite contentious in the Ukraine capital...

I thought you guys make think this is funny apparently a website has been started in Russia for anyone who disagrees with Putin. apparently some prominent people disagree with Putin invading crimea and there was a website created called TRAITOR. So i guess Russians can retaliate against these people for speaking their mind? Since calling someone a traitor is pretty serious offense can get you shot in the military.If you speak Russian you can add people at the bottom of the list nice huh.

predatel.net...

PS google doesnt do a great job of translating so if someone speaks Russian i was real qurious about one of the statements.

Exercises? What exercises?

Reports of a major clash between pro and anti Russians in eastern region near Zaporizhiya. RT mostly covering this

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Sergei Lavrov gave an interview to a Russian TV show today saying that if the West accepts the Ukrainian government, they can accept a Russian Crimea...Not quite the same Mr Lavrov. Russia are playing hard ball. I doubt John Kerry and Lavrov will get anywhere today. Russian diplomats are living in a bubble.

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In my very humble opinion, we will see the results of todays talk soon, I guess the decision to invade or not will be taken after the talks depending on its outcome.

ProfessorT
Sergei Lavrov gave an interview to a Russian TV show today saying that if the West accepts the Ukrainian government, they can accept a Russian Crimea...Not quite the same Mr Lavrov. Russia are playing hard ball. I doubt John Kerry and Lavrov will get anywhere today. Russian diplomats are living in a bubble.

Correct, the crimean referendum is much better looking than the coup in kiev, but you dont like that do you?
You really should think before you type...

Yusomad

ProfessorT
Sergei Lavrov gave an interview to a Russian TV show today saying that if the West accepts the Ukrainian government, they can accept a Russian Crimea...Not quite the same Mr Lavrov. Russia are playing hard ball. I doubt John Kerry and Lavrov will get anywhere today. Russian diplomats are living in a bubble.

Correct, the crimean referendum is much better looking than the coup in kiev, but you dont like that do you?
You really should think before you type...

Much better looking? I don't think so, it was illegal. Also the alleged 'coup' was caused by Russian-trained snipers. The fact is Moscow has close ties with Kiev which go way back to the 1920's. Many Russians work for the Ukrainian Security Service which allowed The Kremlin to cause unrest and murder people in Kiev.

Yusomad

ProfessorT
Sergei Lavrov gave an interview to a Russian TV show today saying that if the West accepts the Ukrainian government, they can accept a Russian Crimea...Not quite the same Mr Lavrov. Russia are playing hard ball. I doubt John Kerry and Lavrov will get anywhere today. Russian diplomats are living in a bubble.

Correct, the crimean referendum is much better looking than the coup in kiev, but you dont like that do you?
You really should think before you type...

The revolution in Ukraine looks real. The coup in Crimea looks staged. No country will accept a Russian Crimea until Putin calls his attack dogs off and accepts the reality and legitimacy of the revolution.

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

But the important question is, what is Russia's ulterior motive.

asen_y2k

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

But the important question is, what is Russia's ulterior motive.

You know what? That's a good question because a lot of people have been second-guessing Vladimir Putin. I think if today's talks between Kerry and Lavrov get no where Russia will invade tonight. They already have Cossacks who are supposedly "ready to rescue Ukraine" near the border.

asen_y2k

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

But the important question is, what is Russia's ulterior motive.

Vladimir Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire. He will arrange a 'referendum' in Belorussia next.

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Do you have any substantiation for saying the snipers were Russian trained? Or are you deliberately spreading dis-information. It appears the work of the snipers, worked entirely to the benefit of the political opposition which seized power (Yatsenyuk and the others).

asen_y2k

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

But the important question is, what is Russia's ulterior motive.

Putin is mistaken with his adventurism.. He will gain nothing that the Soviet Union
didn't already gain and fail with.

and Like the Soviet Union.. what ever Putin does now will ultimately
lead to his own demise.

Putin is a shrewd gangster.. who doesn't have any other method other than bully tactics to get
what he wants .. hes not an intelligent man.
If he were an Intelligent leader he would have built Russia from the ground up
not instead relying on a petro economy that must produce $118 a barrel.

The price of oil is ultimately what will lead to his demise.
or some bullets from the pissed off Oligarchs.

Right now in Donetsk, a sizable pro Russian march.

Weird, a week of calm, and all of a sudden, pro Russian rallies in Donetsk, Lugansk and fighting between pro and anti Russians in Zaporizhiya. Looks like a switch being flipped.

Lavrov: West's duplicity & inconsistency obstructs dialogue over Ukraine on RT

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

But the important question is, what is Russia's ulterior motive.

You know what? That's a good question because a lot of people have been second-guessing Vladimir Putin. I think if today's talks between Kerry and Lavrov get no where Russia will invade tonight. They already have Cossacks who are supposedly "ready to rescue Ukraine" near the border.

Couldn't agree with you more, seems like if there ever will be an invasion, it will be tonight, tomorrow or day after. After that its too late. Stagnant deployment costs money. And today is new moon(no moon) and Ukraine has absolutely no night fighting capabilities.

By the way, where did you read about the cosacks on the border, I seem to have missed it?

ProfessorT

asen_y2k

Over 2,000 people demand referendum at rally in east-Ukrainian city of Lugansk, and 3000 in Donetsk.

Voice of Russia

Seems like only Russian media covering this.

edit on 30/3/14 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)

Russia Today were covering a rally in Ukraine yesterday. They blatantly lied about the number of pro-Russian people who attended. They said "1 million people" and the pictures taken showed a group of 50-100 people. Russian propaganda is so bad, it's funny. They are just cementing Vladimir Putin's pretext.

1 million people?
care to provide some more information on this one?
I was trying to find where exactly RT said this?
or you're just making things up?