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Russian helicopters heading to Sevastopol, Ukraine

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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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crazyewok

Xcathdra


Why should Ukraine be forced to split its country in order to appease a Russian government bent on returning to the Soviet union and its republics?

Selflessness and good will thats dam well why.

Not fair no. But to avoid a war that could very well end the world as we know it? Be a brave a dam well selfless thing. More brave that you gun for brains that want to doom us all in a nuclear war!



Lol.. this is absurd.

Are you going to actually contribute to the conversation / debate or are you going to just scream nuke in every post?




posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:45 PM
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The invasion is on !! Obama is as useless as a women at a homosexual orgy !! These people are nuuuts!!
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:45 PM
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Really? You can fight a whole army all by yourself? Okay



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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Xcathdra


Lol.. this is absurd.

Are you going to actually contribute to the conversation / debate or are you going to just scream nuke in every post?


Are you going to actually contribute to the conversation or just beat the war drum like a mindless little drone?


Diplomacy should be tried first.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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And

By your argument who exactly would be doing the incinerating?

Basically it's like the US telling Mexico to give up their oil fields and if anybody interferes they'll nuke em...



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:47 PM
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thesaneone
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Really? You can fight a whole army all by yourself? Okay



Of course he can.. He has NuKeS!?!?!?!?!



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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Diplomacy? You call waking up to Russians in your backyard diplomatic?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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thesaneone


Really? You can fight a whole army all by yourself? Okay



Vietnam managed it

Afghanistan has put up and pretty good fight too.

So did Iraq


So you logic, a small peninsular with only 1,973,185 is worth risking 7 billion people in WW3. Yeah great logic!


If the Russian move outside the Crimea peninsular I MAY change my stance.

But to me the Crimea is not worth my blood or the blood of my friends and family.



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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#BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said at 0:01am: Russian attack on Ukrainian bases on #Crimea to begin 5AM:



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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thesaneone
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Really? You can fight a whole army all by yourself? Okay



Well you go grab your gun and get the first flight over there then


If war breaks out? well hope your the first to put your name down and sign up.


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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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Hard to tell from the video if it is legit, or just film of training exercises. With that said, the fact that the fibre optic lines into the Crimea region have been severed, and that the airport has been shut down until 17:00 local time Saturday suggests that something heavy is going down. Air superiority in the region and control of communications could mean that a front is being established forward of the Crimean area, say at the Kherson line. Fuel shipments to the port were cut off, and they should be looking at a blackout of power from supply issues any time now.

Definitely worth keeping an eye on. I personally am with Russia on this one, but with close friends in the Ukraine, it hurts to see war come to those beautiful people.

AX
FTNWO



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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Xcathdra

peck420
Do you believe in the right to self determination?

When done freely and fairly yes and when taking into account history. What I don't advocate is a stealth invasion by encouraging immigration to a sovereign country only to use those groups down the line in an effort to break up / control a country. If people are so fond of Russia who like in the CRimea, they have a choice. Stay in Ukraine or move back to Russia.


Tell that to the largest pro-Russian voting block. The people that were there before the Russians or the Ukrainians...the Tartars.



Citizens should adapt to the country they have moved to instead of demanding the country adapt to them.
Very easy to state when your country has never been invaded by either side.




Semi Autonomous that is sovereign territory of Ukraine. Again trying to split hairs wont justify the action from Russia.
Allowing a population to take control of their own territory as they see fit doesn't require justification.




The people of the Falkland Islands voted to remain a part of the UK.
If you want to use the Falklands as an example though lets. Argentina is Russia in that scenario, demanding territory they lost and think they are entitled to.


Actually, by your own definition, the 'Argentina' would currently be the Ukraine.



Did the people of Ukraine get an option when they were part of the USSR?

Did anybody in Crimea get an option after?
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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SLAYER69
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And

By your argument who exactly would be doing the incinerating?

Basically it's like the US telling Mexico to give up their oil fields and if anybody interferes they'll nuke em...



So NATO go into war with Russia? What do you thinks will bloody well happen?

A jolly old bunch of lined battles ala the last Crimea war?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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MessageforAll
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#BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said at 0:01am: Russian attack on Ukrainian bases on #Crimea to begin 5AM:


Can I ask the source?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:54 PM
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Xcathdra


Of course he can.. He has NuKeS!?!?!?!?!



WTF does that even mean?

Russia has one of the biggest nuclear stockpiles in the world!

If NATO threatens Russia what the hell do you think will dam well happen?

Russia roll out the red carpet for the USA to march on Moscow?



posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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#BREAKINGNEWS The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense said at 0:01am: Russian attack on Ukrainian bases on #Crimea to begin 5AM:


Lets for the sake of the world, hope the Russians only stay inside Crimea. But the response of the Ukrainian military will give us the idea what happens next.

This info makes sense, why the Russians have been moving in men and equipments all day.


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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:57 PM
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That's the flaw in your argument.

The only way to appose Russia is to go to war? I haven't read one reply so far NOT ONE advocating war with Russia over the Ukraine. However, I HAVE seen plenty of people defending and justifying Russia's bullying and the stealing of land that belongs to another country.
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posted on Feb, 28 2014 @ 04:58 PM
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What makes this strange is that in the Crimea, from the pictures on the BBC, the locals and the police have accepted this group of unmarked soldiers (dont know why they dont have russian markings?) and seemingly just carried on. The BBC speculate that russia may compare to NATO intervention for Albanians in Serbia and say they are protecting their own people. To date, no shots have been fired in anger.
As the beeb pointed out though- NATO went in to stop ethnic cleansing in Albania, so the comparison is wrong, We will have to see how this develops.



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