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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Serdgiam
You mean an educated guess? You have reason to believe that your hypothesis is a logical pursuit.
Unless their reason is self-evident. Which is why it's called reason and not faith. A reason that requires faith is not reason. A reason is a process. It's cause and effect.
Are you trying to undermine the role of scientific investigation and subsequent technology and intellectual development in comparison to the paltry show tricks that faith has to offer? There's levitating someone using wires or some crap and making the audience feel really awesome about having witnessed it, and then there's treating a cancer patient so they can live to watch their grand daughter get married.
There's mystery, and then there's answers.
You have completely missed my point...
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Not for lack of trying. Maybe you should keep it simple. Like, one or two sentences. A basic theme, if you would. A summary. We can work from there.
Reason is a subjective psychological process the same as faith is (which means they are both processes). Both also operate on subjective views of cause and effect. If we dont do the science for ourselves, then all we are doing is confirming bias.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Serdgiam
So you're saying that reason is no better than faith?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe
Scary, atheists ignore other atheists...
"America's ... resistance is three fold: its patriotism, morality and spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." Stalin
Thanks whoever has the wonderful blog, Apocalypse Paradigm.
Quoting atheists now? Should I post the numerous quotes in which Hitler attributed his diabolical plan to that of "God"? Should I show you all the ways he claimed to be honoring the Christian paradigm with his actions? A little Google search will tell you that.
And then you say: "He was not a true Christian!" or maybe "He was only one Christian! He didn't understand Christianity!"
Just so. Stalin was one atheist. What he chose to do with his disbelief is on his head, not the conglomerates of atheism.
edit on 7-7-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe
Scary, atheists ignore other atheists...
"America's ... resistance is three fold: its patriotism, morality and spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." Stalin
Thanks whoever has the wonderful blog, Apocalypse Paradigm.
Quoting atheists now? Should I post the numerous quotes in which Hitler attributed his diabolical plan to that of "God"? Should I show you all the ways he claimed to be honoring the Christian paradigm with his actions? A little Google search will tell you that.
And then you say: "He was not a true Christian!" or maybe "He was only one Christian! He didn't understand Christianity!"
Just so. Stalin was one atheist. What he chose to do with his disbelief is on his head, not the conglomerates of atheism.
edit on 7-7-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Stalin is example of the fruit of atheism. People, run from atheist's lonely, dead, beliefs. Don't you want to go to Heaven? People who reject God are headed the other way UNLESS they repent before they die? Will they at the last moment? Pray for conversions.
I love sharing a scientist's comment on God. Listen to the first couple of minutes here of a yes, Ted Turner's TED TALKS - Conception to Birth. God is so amazing~!
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Stalin is example of the fruit of atheism. People, run from atheist's lonely, dead, beliefs.
Originally posted by colbe
Stalin is example of the fruit of atheism. People, run from atheist's lonely, dead, beliefs.
I am saying they are both subjective, and that without personal exploration based in objectivity (one method is the scientific method), it is essentially second-hand bias confirmation.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Precisely. Which is rather conspicuously absent in certain religious materials.
Anywho, if you want to call the universe a god, that's on you. But I think the term "god" is a pretty vague label. It implies consciousness and personification. Is the universe a conscious entity?
Does it have feelings?
Does it think?
And even if it does, why would it care about a single grain of sand on a beach the size of Texas?
Originally posted by HarryTZ
Originally posted by colbe
Stalin is example of the fruit of atheism. People, run from atheist's lonely, dead, beliefs.
Hitler is an example of the fruit of Christianity. People, run from Christianity's lonely, dead beliefs.
See how the fallacy of hasty generalization doesn't work? Try again.
The underlined, correction, obvious, Hitler did NOT live a Christian life.
And then you say: "He was not a true Christian!" or maybe "He was only one Christian! He didn't understand Christianity!"
Just so. Stalin was one atheist. What he chose to do with his disbelief is on his head, not the conglomerates of atheism.
Ah and you failed to speak of who I posted about, Stalin. Did you forget? Naah, sell Stalin. You can't.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe
Stalin is example of the fruit of atheism. People, run from atheist's lonely, dead, beliefs.
I am not dead. I am not lonely. I am free to be whatever the hell I choose to be. I am free to craft my own happiness from the ores of trial and error. I am liberated from the confines of a deity-centric dichotomy. I have no master. I serve no one. I exist for the happiness of no one, nor do they for mine. Just as with every sentient creature on this planet, I exist for whatever I choose. My only limit is what I allow myself to imagine.
And, quite frankly, imagining a deity seems a particular waste of time that would be better served imagining what I could do or be for myself and those around me.
edit on 7-7-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Angels are smarter than humanity, why the are more humble than we are. The evil one, he is the exception and the angels he took with him to Hell.
Notice above all the "I am, I choose"...I, I, I. Satan's famous words: "I will not serve."
Did I miss it, I asked, you never shared why your bitterness against Catholicism, the faith? Were you baptized Roman Catholic and this a rebellion against your dear parents? If they hurt you, forgive them.
I am serious, who can figure atheists?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe
Notice above all the "I am, I choose"...I, I, I. Satan's famous words: "I will not serve."
What is the point of having a free will If it must always be spent catering to the self serving mentalities Of those who seek only to use me?
Did I miss it, I asked, you never shared why your bitterness against Catholicism, the faith? Were you baptized Roman Catholic and this a rebellion against your dear parents? If they hurt you, forgive them.
I am serious, who can figure atheists?
I have already told you the answer is No. I've answered your question at least 5 times already. Instead of asking more questions how about you go back and reread everything I have posted.