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The other story is about King Saul. He was fatally wounded in battle, so to avoid torture he killed himself. From David's words about Saul, it appears that Saul went to heaven. He says, 2 Sam 1:23 "Saul and Jonathan--in life they were loved and gracious, and in death they were not parted..." We know that Jonathan was godly, so if Saul and Jonathan were not parted in death, this would mean Saul is with Jonathan in heaven.
I used Matthew 13:24-30 as the scripture text.
Matthew 13:24-30 He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
The refrain, “An enemy has done this” can be very effective. We know that mental illness, including depression, can result in suicide. I’m convinced that “an enemy has done this” and the experience of the master in knowing the difference between weeds and wheat, what was planted and what was not, who a person is and what awful things have been a part of that person’s life cannot be underestimated.
Numbers 11:12-15 Moses was in despair because of the complaints of the Israelites whom he was leading. The burden of leadership was too heavy for him to bear. He asked God "If You treat me like this, please kill me here and now..."
Judges 16:29-30 Samson had been chained to the two middle pillars of a temple. He pushed them apart. thereby knowingly causing the collapse of the building, his own suicide and the death of a few thousand Philistines inside. The death toll exceeded the number of people that he had killed during the rest of his life -which was considerable. Samson had been blinded, and no longer wanted to live as a captive. By causing his own death, he had a chance to destroy many of the enemy.
Your friend's son must have been severely distraught. He was likely out of his mind. No God worth worshiping would punish him for his condition. God failed him as much as he failed himself. God isn't supposed to give someone more than they can handle, but he did.
I guess in a way, God did let him down, or God didn't keep his promise in this case or so it seems.
Chris not only failed himself, but failed everyone around him IMO. I wonder if he even considered the pain he was about to cause to all his friends and family.
In all likelihood, he thought he was doing his family a favor by ending their suffering quick, and getting out of their way for a happy life.
I come to that conclusion after some deep conversations with God regarding suffering people in my own life, and when God responded, "they asked for it." Exactly like that. I asked why, and in my mind I suddenly just knew they asked for it.
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
this is what i think... i may or not be right...
Every person on earth has a plan by God. Each and every single person is meant to die the moment they do. I believe this is a test of faith brother. His short life has a big affect on those around him. Will his family turn from God in bitter hatred? Or will his family and friends turn to God with everlasting passion? that i believe is the question that is asked.
I don't comprehend what you are saying here. People that are suffering, how do they ask for it, by their actions? How did Chris ask for it, by getting heavy into drugs?
Every person on earth has a plan by God. Each and every single person is meant to die the moment they do. I believe this is a test of faith brother.
Captain, my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. Captain, that is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.