OWS a Controlled Movement for the Re-election of Barak Obama and Progressive Democrats.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


One guy with an Obama sign doesn't mean the mayority of OWS followers want Obama and his administration to answer what they have done, and what they are allowing corporations to do...

The mayority of the OWS are left leaning, and instead of wanting a smaller government they want to give more government control and power to the government because they think that will stop corporations, but as I showed the government is already owned by corporations, and OBama himself has given power to a "Corporation" which they don't even want to mention it's name for some reason.

Just because a few people have SOME of my views doesn't mean I must back blindly the OWS movement...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

There are people from all walks of life there and if you'd take a stroll down to your local one you'd find at least 2 people who think like you.

Wow, so because I will find at least two people, or a minority, who might think like me but can't bother to make some research before blindly following a mob I should be blindly following the mob?...

Yeah I know a lot of people are doing EXACTLY what you want me, and everyone else to do, but a mayority of people can actually think for ourselves, hence this is why you don't see bigger gatherings in individual cities of Americans following blindly the OWS movement...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
We are you and you are us! This is all that matters! The only reason why we accept the unions is they are getting squeezed out and they represent the little guy.

You are not me, and you do NOT represent the mayority of Americans... The OWS movement DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MAYORITY OF AMERICANS...

But again we see how you try to sweep people into following your movement blindly... "C'mon all, and everyone, it doesn't matter what the goal of the mayority and the organizations of the OWS want, just follow us blindly"... Talk about being sheep...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The political stances of our partner firms in no way, shape, sense or form an indication nor is it to be taken as a confirmation of any political allegiance as well as not to ever be seen as a declaration of our global political allegiance as our political allegiance is forever sworn to The people of and The World while the national group declares allegiance to the people of and The United States Of America! Stick that in your pipe! Show me a law requiring that all organizations must declare a political allegiance? That's right, there ain't none!

For crying out loud... YES the political alliance of the organizers and the mayority of the OWS movement DOES MATTER because these people want change even more to the left in politics....

If the people of Australia want to back the Occupy movement in Australia, let them do that, and let them call for whatever they want, but the people in Australia, the people in Britain, the people in Spain, and every individual country DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT, OR WHAT THE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WANT...

Stop following this set of mind so blindly, and start thinking out of the box and for yourself...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

lol the only thing you sank was yourself for believing you proved your point, when in fact you just proved again that the mayority of the OWS movement are brainless sheep, who just follow any left leaning mob that appears out of the blue.

The minority Ron Paul followers, Libertarians, conservatives, etc who are going to these protests are doing a disservice to what they say they want, because it is not the same thing as the left leaning organizers and the mayority of the OWS followers want...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
We want nothing from Soros, what we'd truly like is for him and his buddies to get out of the way and go away forever and that's being civil. He is apart of the problem so why would we deal with him on any level? Think about it! If I'm not mistaken Adbusters no longer has any business with Tides due the involvement of Soros!

If you really wnated nothing from Soros you would want nothing to do with the OWS movement... Earlier in this thread I showed how ACORN is one of the organizers and funders of the OWS movement, and ACORN in case you didn't know has ties with Soros, as well as other left leaning organizations which are also organizers of the OWS movement...

Let's see once again the partners of the OWS movement in Boston as an example...

Right to the City coalition partners in the Boston area include Alternatives for Community & Environment, Asian American Resource Workshop, Boston Workers Alliance, Boston Climate Action Network, Chelsea Collaborative, Chinese Progressive Association, City Life/Vida Urbana, Community Change, Inc., Community Labor United, CWA Local 1400, Direct Action for Rights & Equality, Dorchester People for Peace, Green Justice Coalition, IBEW T-­‐6 Council, Lynn United for Change, Mass Alliance Against Predatory Lending, Massachusetts Global Action, Massachusetts Jobs with Justice, MASSUNITING, Merrimack Valley Project, Network for Immigrants and African Americans in Solidarity, Neighbors United for a Better East Boston, New England United for Justice, Press Pass TV, Service Employees International Union, Springfield No One Leaves, smartMeme, Survivors Inc., UE Northeast Region, UFCW Local 1445, Union of Minority Neighborhoods, UNITE HERE Local 26, Women's Fightback Network, Worcester Anti-­‐Foreclosure Team, and the Youth Jobs Coalition

massuniting.org...

Let's read some more facts about the OWS movements and it's founders...

...
Front groups of the community organization ACORN played a major role in organizing the OWS protests nationwide. For instance, the Working Families Party (WFP), a longtime ACORN front, helped mobilize the demonstrations in New York City. "[We are] actually trying to change the capitalist system we have today because it’s not working for any of us," WFP organizer Nelini Stamp told Laura Flanders of Free Speech TV in an interview.

Meanwhile, ACORN’s newer front groups were likewise deeply involved in launching and expanding the OWS movement throughout the fall of 2011. For instance, New York Communities for Change -- led by longtime ACORN lobbyist Jon Kest -- helped WFP organize the demonstrations in lower Manhattan. In Pennsylvania, Action United participated in the "Occupy Pittsburgh" rallies. In Florida, Organize Now took part in "Occupy Orlando." The Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment led the "Occupy L.A." protests. And New England United for Justice, headed by former ACORN national president Maude Hurd, participated in the related “Take Back Boston” rallies in Massachusetts.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) was also heavily involved in OWS's formation and early growth. At the heart of "Occupy Los Angeles," for instance, were two Southern California communists -- veteran Party leader Arturo Cambron and his comrade Mario Brito. In early October 2011, Brito declared that OWS's chief objective was to achieve “economic justice,” and added: “This is an international movement ... The vast majority of Americans actually believe income inequality is a major problem. The only reason they haven’t acted upon it is because there hasn’t been a mass movement.” In an October 15, 2011 address to the nearly 3,000 attendees at an "Occupy Chicago" rally, John Bachtell, a spokesman from the CPUSA's national board, claimed to “bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party”; he received a number of loud ovations from the crowd.
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www.discoverthenetworks.org...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


There is no individual founder. We are not representative by the political beliefs of our partner firms and are in NO WAY, SHAPE, SENSE OR FORM a declaration of political allegiance.

I give not a toss for what you or anyone thinks about this as this is the only thing that matters. If we wanted to be a leftist group we would've aligned ourselves firmly with the Dems but that has yet to occur and will not occur.

What about that can you not understand? Every single poll across the entire political spectrum asking "Do you support #OWS?" a vast majority of the respondents say yes. Fox news recently conducted their own poll whereas out of 225,000 respondents an overwhelming majority (69%) about 170,000 voted yes.

Do you have a home? Do you have a pension? Do you have a life savings? Make no mistake that The SCUM is coming for that. If you have health insurance that is under threat, if you have investments did you gain back that 45% lost after 08 yet?

Make no mistake you are one financial calamity and one pink slip away from joining us. Resistance is Futile!

WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY BILLIONAIRE AS WELL AS ANY POLITICAL PARTY!

You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire so to the people you are sitting here defending do not give a toss for you, your family, your friends or anyone you know. They see you as collateral damage. They own you and by refusing to join up means you've already surrendered your Constitutional rights to The SCUM! To them you are their slave. More then 150,000,000 Americans stand united with this group and the numbers grow by the hour.

No other movement in recent memory has ever been this large. This movement has totally eclipsed that of The Tea Party, The 9/11 Truth Movement, The Anti 43 Rallies, The Vietnam protests combined. This is the largest protest since the Civil Rights Era. Every single time one of our camps is attacked our numbers grow, every report of police brutality this movement grows. Day or week long campouts have occurred in the past but none had the impact nor reach of this one.

Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Got it? Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us. We speak for ourselves!

To attempt to challenge this means you are controlled and cannot think for yourself. Ask yourself Why the attacks?, Why the division?, Who is benefiting from dividing us? What Wall Street firms gave your candidate money?

This is "The people-v-The Banks and Wall Street!"! Quit being a puppet of the banks and Wall Street as when they are done with you they will toss you under the bus just like they do with everyone.

Read the following report and learn who the enemy is :
rt.com...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


No.. but it's an example. That is the second guy I've posted with an anti Obama sign from two different rallies.
Pictures I've taken personally or had a friend take. Also the fact that it is accepted and no one has any problem. I personally went to one of these events and spent 5 hours talking to people (I personally am mostly libertarian) and I found there was a strong anti obama (actually anti two party system current)

I just posted that one cuz it's my picture. I promise, this thing isn't pro Obama, which is why he felt the need to speak for it in the first place. If he thought he had these protestors eating out of his hand he would have kept silent to appease the right.


Sidenote: I went out wearing my hope poster/ they live OBEY Obama mashup tee shirt and the protestors were loving it. It's similar to this one: HERE but far more detailed and in the red and blue of the original poster. I will snap a pic and post it up sometime.

EDIT: Found my shirt and took a picture, here it is, see waaaay better detail than the ones i'm finding online.

Funny, it's through the Occupy Movement that I started questioning my loyalty to Obama.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


How about 3 more Anti Obama signs at another rally? :

"Obama Eats With Wall Street"
www.facebook.com...

"Obama is Wall Street"
"This is not an Obama Rally"!
www.facebook.com...

Location Occupy Jersey City!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Again, a couple, or three o four signs from the MINORITY of those people going to the OWS protest does not refute the fact that the organizers of the OWS movement are leftwingers with a very different agenda than what some people claim it is...

Originally posted by JustinSee
Everyone I know in the protest hates Obama. I dunno man....

It actually doesn't matter what the people at the actual protest think. The majority of people who "support" OWS will never go to a protest...so they just go by the perception.

It's all about the perception...not about what the protestors actually think...and right now the perception is being controlled by the media...because OWS has decided to go the route that makes it the easiest for the media to do that (loose organization, no leaders, no official "message").

The perception that the media is creating is that this is a left wing movement...right now they aren't saying it's an Obama movement (well, the right wing media is), but the supporters of OWS in the medida (left wingers) are just playing it cool right now. They are making sure they support them, defending them against the right, and not pushing the "OWS has to back Obama" agenda.

But it will come...because what else is there?

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


The organizers, and in general those who control the OWS movement are a mayority leftwingers. I even supplied evidence that shows this fact. Even ACORN is one of the partners organizing the OWS protests.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I know this...I'm a liberal...so I am ok with that.

The problem is, people don't like to be told they are being used...so you will get a negative response when you tell people who think they are out there on their own in a movement started by "the people".

The hijack is already in progress...we will see if it takes or not.

reply to post by Cuervo

Originally posted by JustinSee
Everyone I know in the protest hates Obama. I dunno man....



Noooo! Don't you watch FOX news?! Didn't you hear?! Every protester out there is a jobless, lazy, progressive who LOVES to give Soros back rubs in his money showers. Don't mind the fact that this is no more co-opted than any other movement that has ever existed, just listen to the fact that this one has almost as many uninformed members as FOX viewers... that makes them TOTALLY WORTHLESS.

Oh, and didn't you hear? Just watch any of the biased right-winged videos to get a nice "un-biased" cross-section of interviews of the people there.

I watch Fox News and I never heard those type of descriptions applied to OWS. Have any links to back up your claims? I'll wait....

reply to post by mishigas


Get real, you know it's true.
But since you asked, and proving you wrong is like second nature to me:



nation.foxnews.com...
www.youtube.com...

That's just a quick google. I'll leave it to cuervo to give you more.

p.s. who would have ever guessed you got your news from fox?

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Originally posted by JustinSee
Everyone I know in the protest hates Obama. I dunno man....



Noooo! Don't you watch FOX news?! Didn't you hear?! Every protester out there is a jobless, lazy, progressive who LOVES to give Soros back rubs in his money showers. Don't mind the fact that this is no more co-opted than any other movement that has ever existed, just listen to the fact that this one has almost as many uninformed members as FOX viewers... that makes them TOTALLY WORTHLESS.

Oh, and didn't you hear? Just watch any of the biased right-winged videos to get a nice "un-biased" cross-section of interviews of the people there.

I watch Fox News and I never heard those type of descriptions applied to OWS. Have any links to back up your claims? I'll wait....

Really dude?! FOX news vilifies these guys more than anybody. That's their normal operating procedure. Are you new to this planet? Super quick Google search revealed:

Some...









Thanks, GogoVicMorrow, for chiming in.

reply to post by Cuervo

Really dude?! FOX news vilifies these guys more than anybody. That's their normal operating procedure. Are you new to this planet? Super quick Google search revealed:

Sorry. I wasted the time watching those videos and as expected, saw nothing at all to validate your claim of 'vilifying'. I know it hurts you and whats-her-face to hear it when the instances of racism, anti-semitism, white supremacy, filthy personal habits, and all around dregs are exposed. You call it vilification, the world calls it the truth.

Nice company you are defending. As for your buddy, well, he's still peeing himself because his world was shattered and he had to face some truths. I don't even respond to him anymore; he's just a troll.

Or maybe they're just pissed off that tax payer money and regular bank saving account holders are now guaranteeing $75 TRILLION (!!!) in risky derivates investments made by the a single bank alone (BoA) at Wall Street.

Or maybe it's because the guys at Wall Street only pay a 15% tax on their main source of income (capital gains) which is about as much as someone making no more than $32k.

Or maybe it's because WS is responsible for this economic crisis but never had to fear any repercusions.

But yeah, I'm sure it's all just a "communist-socialist-nazi-progressive-Obamalover" conspiracy...riiiight

www.youtube.com...

I wish more people could hear the message.
I understand the banker part, why can't OWS
just focus on that?
By wanting more handouts they support the bankers.

reply to post by MrXYZ

Or maybe they're just pissed off that tax payer money and regular bank saving account holders are now guaranteeing $75 TRILLION (!!!) in risky derivates investments made by the a single bank alone (BoA) at Wall Street.

I was floored when I saw that number, although I heard it was $55T. But two things:
1. It was only revealed recently, so that's not why OWS was organized, and

2. They are barking up the wrong tree. Obama made the rules, why aren't they after him? Makes no sense.

And just think about it...Obama has come out in support of OWS, because he knows he is responsible. But he wants to keep OWS from realizing he is responsible, so he's acting like their bud.

Or maybe it's because the guys at Wall Street only pay a 15% tax on their main source of income (capital gains) which is about as much as someone making no more than $32k.

That's the capital gains tax rate for everyone, isn't it? So, Wall St. is getting no preferential treatment. Once again, it's the govt who is in charge of rates..why not blame them?

Or maybe it's because WS is responsible for this economic crisis but never had to fear any repercusions.

Once again, you are letting the real crooks off the hook.

But yeah, I'm sure it's all just a "communist-socialist-nazi-progressive-Obamalover" conspiracy...riiiight

You don't deny that there are lots of those scumbags there, do you?

OP, with all due respect, OWS is not an Obama reelection ploy. It's consensus Democracy aimed at the system and the inequity in finance, government and the destruction of the economy by the top 1%.

I wish it was a reelect Obama ploy, that would please me as he is the only one willing to bring about change "the right way", but...

OWS is not owned by anyone. It will probably decide who is elected next year, but they have yet to unite behind anyone.

Lots of Ron Paul people there, and lots of independents. Yes they are probably mostly progressives but they are a wildcard. Republicans and right wingers are driving the independents toward the left by vilifying OWS. I hope they keep up the good work.

Cheers

Ziggy

reply to post by Cuervo


That is the actual truth about the goal that the mayority of the people of the OWS movement want...

Are you going to ignore the several videos with interviews of protesters and what they say which I provided here and which clearly shows they are anti-capitalists, they are classists, and in general are looking for the government to have more control, which is why they are protesting against Wall street and not against the White House/government...

Are you going to deny the fact that leftwing groups are the organizers, and partners who are the main funders of the OWS movement?...