Photos You Cannot Deny

reply to post by exponent


So you are not even curious as to how these vehicles started burning and melting? Just push it off as just another of hundreds of special 9-11 anomalies which don't need investigating?

Originally posted by SPreston
So you are not even curious as to how these vehicles started burning and melting? Just push it off as just another of hundreds of special 9-11 anomalies which don't need investigating?

Of course I am curious, but I see nothing suspicious in damage to cars which were close to two collapsing skyscrapers, nor do I see anything suspicious in fire consuming plastic car components.

If you had some more convincing evidence, it could be potentially worth investigation, but right now I see absolutely nothing that arouses any great suspicion.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Tesla created just such a particle beam, in case you didn't know. No aliens required. We've had it for nearly a century.

reply to post by SPreston


Gee what could have melted the door handles and the car and the plastic, what oh what?

Are you being serious SPreston or are you trolling? Or are you really this uninformed? Have you ever seen a car fire before? Up close? How about the aftermath of a car fire? After a wreck? Or arson? Or accidentally? Its called fire SPreston. FIRE. F-I-R-E. That is what burned the cars, that is what melted the door handles. SPreston I wonder if you are for real or are just yanking our chains.

I do recall that it was noted during the attacks debris from the jets started a fire in the parking lots before the collapses. Ever seen a chain reaction car fire, where one car sets other cars on fire?

Here is a video taken before the collapses:


Notice something?

Oh and some more info!
cosmicpenguin.com...

posted by GreenBicMan
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

These pictures of cars and such were never on MSM as far as I remember?

Just a few at first and then they were quickly removed from public viewing as the damage control got rolling. About 4 years ago, I had a half dozen or so hi-rez photos of the vehicles that Judy Wood doesn't have on her website; but I lost them all when my hard drive died.

Thank you Judy Wood for preserving this evidence and sharing it with the public.

They did save a few of the vehicles at Hanger 17 in New York, and the rest have been destroyed.

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This panoramic view of the WTC steel and vehicles at Hanger 17 is really neat, and there are three rooms, and you can stop the auto-rotation, and view it full screen. Those subway cars survived the WTC collapse intact.

Hangar 17 Museum Interactive Panorama


[edit on 7/14/09 by SPreston]

reply to post by GenRadek


Yank your own chain General.

If you had bothered to follow the sequence of photos, you would know that the vehicles in this parking lot north of WTC 7 were not burning until after the towers collapsed and after the dust cloud from WTC1 reached them.

post by SPreston

reply to post by SPreston


Busted.

In 1991, our small group were using the Bohren effect to attempt to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Since different metals melt at different temperatures, we had to get our elements and metals in powder form, mix them dry, and then just use high pressure to form our cathode.

Six feet away, a fire spontaneously ignited - it was the lithium. There was just enough moisture in the air to start this very hot fire that melted the tiles on the floor, and was Joel's wife PISSED!

The same thing can happen with sodium. White Phosphorous will ignite when exposed to air. Maybe someone like us had some chemicals in their cars, and things ignited, spreading to other cars. Once a car lights up, it really, really burns! The heat will often ignite other nearby autos. As in a parking lot.

There is no such thing as a nano-thermite in powder form that at ambient temperature, at atmospheric pressure, uncontained, will mystically drift down and spontaneously ignite.

It doesn't exist.

One other thing. The structural anchors of the Trade Towers in essence, was tall poles framing the structural elements.

Now if you have even a simple four-corner vertical post, multi-story treehouse, and it fails, then one layer will fall on the lower layer, and now the weight of both will crash vertically down on the lower level, on and on.

The vertical structural elements directed the fall, and many were still partially still standing after the event.

The structural framework not only permits this vertical collapse, it directs it to collapse on itself.

And each floor that begins to crash down creates a sharp gradient in the air pressure within, blowing out windows, and looking to the uninformed, as an explosive.

Let's just beat a dead horse. For years. And years.

That death ray? From Planet X? Fired by a Russian defector who worked for the CIA but was a double agent for Camaroon, and free-lanced part-time for Palau?

That's a whole lot more believable.

Polish up on some physics and structural engineering, get into chemical oxidations, and THEN come back with a theory.

By then, you won't.

reply to post by SPreston


Hey SPreston, check the timestamp on the video: 9:46AM. Refresh my memory, what time did the towers collapse?

Ah but no, you think it was some magic thermite that reacts magically in a light powder that burns cars BUT does not leave any molten metals or needs a high temperature ignition. Abd I'm the one who has crazy and wild ideas?

reply to post by dooper


You mean the floor crashing down, "pancaking" BS that was forgotten years ago and since adopted the zipper theory BS?

You want us to study up before coming back?

Originally posted by dooper
In 1991, our small group were using the Bohren effect to attempt to violate the second law of thermodynamics.

Bohren effect?

reply to post by turbofan


Look up bohren experiment. You should get multiple hits.

posted by GenRadek
reply to post by SPreston

 

Hey SPreston, check the timestamp on the video: 9:46AM. Refresh my memory, what time did the towers collapse?

What does your stupid video have to do with the subject of this thread? Your stupid burning car at 9:46 was probably another NYC lousy driver or another hit by the NYC Gambino Crime Family.

WTC 1 fell at 10:28 and hit the ground in 11 seconds at near freefall speeds according to NIST. NIST claims 9 seconds for WTC 2. Lamont-Doherty Near Earth Observatory's seismic data show that the two waveforms for the collapses were similar but of different duration. The duration of the seismic signal for the collapse of World Trade Center 2, which fell first, was 8 seconds. The duration for WTC1 was 10 seconds. The military demolition specialists really brought them down fast didn't they?

However in the parking lot in my post, here the cars were not burning because the dust cloud from WTC 1 had not reached them yet.

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So your silly video is irrelevant to the argument, because it was 45 minutes before the collapse of WTC 1 which produced the dust cloud creeping across the photo above. WTC 2 fell at 9:59; 13 minutes after your nonsensical video. Do you think your burning car caused the collapse of WTC 2?

It's pointless to use logic and actual science in this debate. This has been a much needed comic break in my morning. Magical nano thermate pixie dust clouds setting fire only to some cars.

Pancake theory - are you daft. If you have a severely weakened central core and the top few layers of a building weighing thousands of tons start to collapse, of course it will not cause undue stress and collapse the floors beneath it. That's too logical. Has to be a death ray/micro nuke/pixie dust combo.

I try to read some of these 9/11 conspiracy theories, but in my mind I just hear sheep baa-ing and donkeys braying.

But I'm the sheep for believing that airplanes crashed into the buildings and, due to the weakened central core, the buildings collapsed.

At "freefall" speed. I guess tons of concrete and steel should fall at the speed of a feather instead.

reply to post by SPreston


SPreston, there could be any number of reasons why the cars caught fire after the collapse. Could have been burning debris still caught up in the dust and debris cloud carried to that area. could have been a whole host of different things that could have caused it.

SPreston: Do you think your burning car caused the collapse of WTC 2?

And this exactly means what SPreston? More nonsensical garbage? Way to support your ideas with nonsense like this.

As for the lame "10 second" collapse crap, maybe you have not payed attention wholly. (as usual). How about 10 seconds for the initial debris to hit the ground, and 30 seconds (roughly) for the total collapse including the cores, and please try to explain why a large chunk of the cores remained standing for another 15 seconds after initial collapse.

[edit on 7/15/2009 by GenRadek]

Busted x 2!

Go Spreston!

posted by GenRadek
reply to post by SPreston

 

As for the lame "10 second" collapse crap, maybe you have not payed attention wholly. (as usual). How about 10 seconds for the initial debris to hit the ground, and 30 seconds (roughly) for the total collapse including the cores, and please try to explain why a large chunk of the cores remained standing for another 15 seconds after initial collapse.

NIST claims 11 seconds and Lamont-Doherty Near Earth Observatory's seismic data claims 10 seconds for a WTC 1 near-freefall collapse and you are smarter than all of them and you post a stupid car fire video at 9:46 that has nothing to do with anything?

The measurement is when the tower top floor roof hits the ground. Not when the tower antenna finally gets there. Not when the still standing shredded partial cores topple over. Not when a chunk tossed halfway to the moon finally falls back to earth.

Top-down Demolition of WTC 1 at Near-Freefall Speed

Is this too difficult for you?

It worked the same for WTC 7.

Video Evidence of WTC 7's Destruction - step through the frames

The top roofline hitting the ground was the factor in the WTC 7 collapse of

reply to post by turbofan


I was speaking specifically to the vertical fall.

Apparently, a lot of folks who elect to ignore everyday physics feel they somehow "proved" the pancake theory wrong due to the timing of gravitational pull.

In physics, and in structural engineering, there is this crazy thing called "harmonics."

Now something where structural failure is often impending, will in some areas oscillate, shudder, strain and shake, and it is these elements of structural distress that create destructive harmonics.

Harmonics and subharmonics are very, very destructive, and a horizontal version that is easy to view and sort of understand on the macro level is the failing of the Tacoma Bridge, Galloping Gertie, or something like that.

So while the initial damage is inflicted above, it is entirely likely that destructive harmonics are actively weakening the structure all the way to the ground.

Not saying it did, but it's just outright stupid to assume explosives had to have been planned, placed, and timed just right.

Like this ninth dimension, endoflux-nano-thermobaric-whiffle dust that "suddenly" and without ignition, failed to ignite from the fires, but with exothermic intuition, selectively waited until it drifted onto specific cars, and only then did it self-ignite.

Now this was a very, very intelligent and discriminating nano-thermite.

It not only timed itself, but it hand-selected specific targets, because it had a hard-on for automobiles. Not all of course, but select ones in select areas.

I wasn't in grade school watching this happen. With all the resources the Federal Government has, believe me, they ain't that smart.

Look at what they've done for the Federal Tax system. Look at what they did at our last national election.

And if that's not enough, look at how bright they were to embolden the fed.

Can we now bring Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny into this?

reply to post by dooper


Forget the vertical fall, that's just as anomalous. You can't even get
past the tilting upper section - nobody has.

To answer a previous question of what I think happened (in the spirit of Occam):

Explosives

Explosives satisfy the following events:

- rapid rate of descent
- jets of debris shooting out of the tower several floors below demo wave
(aka squibs)
- angle cut core columns
- symetrical collapse
- temperatures above normal office fires measured WEEKS after 9/11
- flowing molten metal found at all three tower locations as seen by
firemen and first responders
- sounds and feelings of explosions by first responders, and tower survivors
- thermite study performed by nine scientists
- pyroclastic cloud flow
- inches of powdered concrete layering the streets for thousands of feet
around NYC
- mid air pulverization of concrete
- free fall descent speed (as seen at WTC 7)
- aluminum oxide "steaming" off of falling steel sections
- iron spheres attached to partially reacted energetic material found in dust
- destruction of section above 'impact zone' before collapse begins
- etc., etc.

Video and photo proof of any of the above statement from several sources
at your request.

Fire unfortunately does not satisty all of the above, so please come back
with a theory that takes all of those points into account.


(this should be a new thread and a challenge )

Originally posted by jonny2410
I've got it!..........

9/11 actually wasn't an inside job, it wasn't even a CONSPIRACY!

Just face it for once that a group of people who hate the western way of life decided to show it in the form of mass murder. Not israel or the cia or the fbi - terrorists.

Guys go outside and get some fresh air and stop beating a dead horse, this is over.

Your just insulting the men and women who died that day.

actually, the true insult to those who died, are posts like this and a mind-set like yours which the vast majority on this planet share.

which is why the next 911 is guaranteed to occur and probably end civilization as we know it.

yes, it is game over. Game over for mankind and those like you soon who believe truth and justice for 911 is like beating a dead horse.

your post is truly pathetic and dispicable