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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
In you reply to lightmare you really miss the boat as many unfamiliar with Biblical doctrine do.
The Bible is clear that all deserve hell. For all have fallen short of Gods standard. So in regard to personal righteousness we are no better off than anyone else. It is only by the substitution of Jesus Christ that we are worthy. We have no right to boast in personal righteousness but that of Christ.
Eph. 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
So your straw man concept of what Christianity is - is what makes you intolerant.
Either both events are terrorism. Or neither are.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
which was really dumb of mel considering I was accused of being a hypocrite for defending the one who decides who goes to hell
Originally posted by melatonin
And by doing so you the way you do, you force yourself into such a position.
What a conundrum for you. Perhaps it's better to see such events as protesting, rather than terrorism.
Person(s) go into a place of worship and actively protest at something that offends them - an offence sourced from ideology and/or religious belief which results in an action to alter perceptions and behaviour.
Wow. Thinking straight really is that easy.
I must say, though, your statement is rather interesting. Doing what is deemed wrong by your religious figurehead to defend your religious figurehead. I guess that supposedly leads to one wrong making a right. I wonder how far that could be pushed...
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Actually no conumdrum at all as Jesus actions do not compare at all to the terrorism in question.
Jesus isn't just a "person" he has all the authority of heaven and earth, he defines righteousness - he is without sin - his actions can not possibly be a crime.
You should try it some time... start with Proverbs 1:7
I did nothing wrong because there is no hypocrisy - as he did nothing wrong. Obviously you are a very confused person...
Romans 1:22 "Thinking they were wise...."
I am glad that you agree; this version of Christianity is intolerant of everyone for believing we all deserve hell and for choosing to believe that humanity inherantly deserves hell.
The person you are debating with is not required to share your beliefs in order to converse with you.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
The irony of terrorism for tolerance is what this thread is about. But you seem to have a false notion of what tolerance is.
No you have it exactly backwards. It is because we know that everyone does deserve hell that we are tolerant. It seems you have subscribed to the worlds false definition of what tolerance is. There's large chasm between approval and tolerance. Christians are expressing disapproval because Gods word clearly does.
a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Nor am I required to deny my beliefs in order to converse with them. We will have to agree to disagree...
I do not accept his equating the two events nor would any Christian and I dare say many non Christians would never equate Jesus motivations with those of militant homosexuals - it is high order absurdity.
If that is what you cause reasonable discourse - you can keep it.
Originally posted by Lightmare
Some of you seem to be implying that Christians would be more acceptable if we would AFFIRM your lifestyles rather than just tolerate them. It is not going to happen though. We will ACCEPT you. We will LOVE you. And we will TOLERATE lifestyles that are in opposition to our beliefs. But we will NOT affirm or condone actions or lifestyles that are contradictory to our beliefs.
[edit on 11/18/2008 by Lightmare]
Originally posted by asmeone2
Aw, comeon, Deuzey, leave the kitties out of it...
Some of you seem to be implying that Christians would be more acceptable if we would AFFIRM your lifestyles rather than just tolerate them. It is not going to happen though. We will ACCEPT you. We will LOVE you. And we will TOLERATE lifestyles that are in opposition to our beliefs. But we will NOT affirm or condone actions or lifestyles that are contradictory to our beliefs.
In the case of the thread's story, it gets tricky because the people are fighting for tolerance of their lifestyles but are displaying an intolerant attitude of those who disagree. But this extends even past that. The perpetrators surpassed the tolerance issue and ventured into the realm of criminal.
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