Russian TU-160 Blackjack..

One crashed today, due engine failure in after repairs test flight.

All 4 of the crew died.

So Russia has now not 15 of these but 14..



Ill post link later after i can find one.

But what do you think about that?

They made a big deal about that in the news..

I think that it is not. These things happen to everybody.

Even US has lost B-52s and B-1s in peace time. Maybe even B-2s (of those im not so sure..) Please educate me..

[Edited on 19-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

Nope, no B2s have been lost mate. However, lots of other types have been. It happens when you have realistic training; unfortuantly its a risk you have to take.

The more you sweat in peacetime, the less you bleed in wartime.

translation from russia website

For investigation commission it was possible to establish the reason for the catastrophe of strategic bomber Tu-160. As they reported in the main staff of the military- air forces of Russia, the fall of aircraft occurred as a result of fire on its board.

Let us recall, emergency occurred today into 11:09 msk with conducting of test flight after the repair of aircraft. Those locating on board four crew members perished

there was an internal fire...

Originally posted by SectorGaza
there was an internal fire...

Ok, they said in the news that the aircraft was on a test flight after it had its engine(s) repaired.

And said it was propably a engine fire that caused this.

But then again, what do i know..

There was footage from the crash site.. burning aircraft parts/sections..

they found the black box etc..
they got a new version of tu-160, its a mach-2 military transport

A transport? Mach 2?

R U #TING ME?

What is one going to do with that?

Do you have even a Russian language page with pics on this?

(both the crash and the Mach 2 cargo plane?)

Originally posted by FULCRUM
A transport? Mach 2?

R U #TING ME?

What is one going to do with that?

Do you have even a Russian language page with pics on this?

(both the crash and the Mach 2 cargo plane?)

the mach-2 military transport is from www.maks.ru and about the crash here it is

top.rbc.ru.../news/incidents/2003/09/18/18172237_bod.shtml

Ha-Haa.. like i figured, makes nosense to me..

As it is in Russian..

But there is no crash site pics..


This must be the 'cargo plane variant'?


It is used to carry and launch somekind of a space vehicle..


Or hyper velocity attack craft.

Which btw is so secret that there is no photos of it, just this 'painting'.

Is the TU-160 the ruskies version of the B-1 bomber?

See the Russians are still making lots of weapons and starving their people.

Originally posted by THENEO
Is the TU-160 the ruskies version of the B-1 bomber?

See the Russians are still making lots of weapons and starving their people.

look here mcdonalds muncher:
tu-160 was made in the CCCP times..

www.abovetopsecret.com...



[Edited on 19-9-2003 by SectorGaza]

Originally posted by THENEO
Is the TU-160 the ruskies version of the B-1 bomber?

See the Russians are still making lots of weapons and starving their people.

Simple answer: NO!!!

TU-160 is many things, like biggest combat aircraft ever.. but it isnt anykind of copy of B-1.

Here is a online story in English about the TU-160 crash.

MOSCOW, Sept 18 (Prime-Tass) -- A Russian Tu-160 strategic bomber crashed in the Saratov Region Thursday, killing all four crew members, the Air Force General Headquarters said.

The aircraft crashed at 11:00 a.m. Moscow time near the village of Stepnoye during a military exercise.

The plane was not carrying any weapons, as this is forbidden during military exercises.

That is sad. 4 Good man dead, 1 beautiful airplane destroyed.

Its definatly not a copy, although a lot of the design has obviously been....inspired by the B1.

Originally posted by DeltaNine
Its definatly not a copy, although a lot of the design has obviously been....inspired by the B1.

Using this theory,
F-14 and F-111 must be copies or influenced by Sukhois 'Fitter' series,
as 'Fitters' had 'Swing-wings' first.

*note*

Or MiG:s 'Flogger series..

However if we take a closer look on this matter, we will see that the 'swing-wing concept' is infact ww2 German invention, so yet again the 'bigs' end up robbing Germans..

[Edited on 19-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

Well no. If you look at the pic, then look at a pic of a B1, you'll notice that there is a lot of design simularities.

Its what the Russians did. If you couldnt design it yourself, borrow some bits from other countries.

Originally posted by DeltaNine
Well no. If you look at the pic, then look at a pic of a B1, you'll notice that there is a lot of design simularities.

Its what the Russians did. If you couldnt design it yourself, borrow some bits from other countries.

No they did not, this isnt even a matter of conversation as there is no doubt about it.

TU-160 flys higher, faster and longer way and they are totally differend planes.

TU-160 is intercontinental mach 2, B-1 'only' long range mach 1.

Are you next going to claim that TU-22 'Blinder/Backfire' are copies of some US design also?

I respectfully disagree.

If you look at the wing roots, forward fueslage, engine nacelles and just the general design and compare it to a B1, you will find MANY simularities. Im not saying its a bad thing at all.

Originally posted by DeltaNine
I respectfully disagree.

If you look at the wing roots, forward fueslage, engine nacelles and just the general design and compare it to a B1, you will find MANY simularities. Im not saying its a bad thing at all.

Well you do that, but when you look at the MiG-25, do you see some 'Eagle' in it?

These too are very 'similar' and MiG-25 was around first. So is the 'Eagle' a copy of MiG-25

Dont mock Russians, they do things by themselfs, they dont copy US products. Only time they have copied something from US was the B-29/TU-4 case, but that was during ww2.

Sometimes people from US go as far as to claim that BISON SMG is copy of CALIO..

Can you imagine that?



[Edited on 19-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

Oh yes, I certainly do and I didnt mean to suggest the Russians were the only ones to do this.

Obviously the Americans have taken those big square inlets, tails and high wings from the MiG-25, though the performance is completly differant.