Does anyone else get the sense that something downright miraculous might be up ahead?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

We'll see about that soon...

No, we wont. You're delusional and full of #. You cannot even elaborate on any of your nonsense. Go ahead and explain- mr. multilingual enlightened genius- what tenants of science could science possibly prove wrong about itself?

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

Well then.... at least it's not oozing out of my mouth for all to see...

I respect your opinion alot even if your not capable to return the favor.

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

We'll see... Maybe that's the downright miraculous thing that the OP is sensing?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: FlyersFan

There is nothing that will stop science to one day explain what exactly happens when the unexplainable happens, even if it needs to proof itself fundamentally wrong, or is there?

Science is a self correcting process and it does change its mind considerably in the presence of new and strong evidence. In contrast as said many times, religion relies on unquestionable dogma and revelation. You need a lot of faith in other words to accept it's premises.

The scope of religion is to control the masses and manipulate them.

originally posted by: NovemberHemisphere

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: FlyersFan

There is nothing that will stop science to one day explain what exactly happens when the unexplainable happens, even if it needs to proof itself fundamentally wrong, or is there?

How could science possibly prove itself to be fundamentally wrong? It's literally just observation at it's very core- it's not a static ideology or some other such nonsense- it's a fully dynamic, ever changing perspective on the world around us based on evidence. What tenants of science could science possibly prove wrong about itself? When new evidence comes to play, if it is stronger evidence than the previous- we change the whole model. Science is completely dynamic..

And I sent you a PM

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

We'll see... Maybe that's the downright miraculous thing that the OP is sensing?

Doubt it.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Doubt should be the defacto state of mind of any scientist towards anything...

i remember a time when flaming was not allowed here.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Venkuish1

Doubt should be the defacto state of mind of any scientist towards anything...

A healthy degree of skepticism and doubt are always good for scientists and non scientists. But if you doubt everything all the time it's just an unhealthy habit that shows mental instability.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Do you doubt some fundamental change in the our scientific understanding happens or that the poster meant that woth his feeling...

I doubt the latter too, but so long there is no solid connection between quantum and thermodynamics I'll hold my breath...quantum mechanics and it's implication really feels like we got something fundamentally wrong.

originally posted by: rtani
i remember a time when flaming was not allowed here.

So you think this 'miracle' will be flaming in some way?

a reply to: Venkuish1

The scope of religion is to control the masses and manipulate them.

This is true in some instances, but the true purpose of religion, or spirituality, is to approach the divine Creator, and to find friendship with Him, to then express upon the Earth that which has been heard & expressed in Heaven.

In the Bible it says that true religion is to care for the needs of the widows & orphans - those who have nobody to stand up for them. This is literally the point - to stand for justice in the name of the people who have nobody to help them. In this specific way we are acting as the hands & feet of Jesus, in the Christian tradition. We work the works on Earth that He would do were He still present with us. And the miraculous does have a place in that - things are not always as they seem, and strange/ wonderful things have a habit of occurring near to where true religion is practised. People are so cynical these days because they have been exposed to the worst examples of what religion can be, if it is misused.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Venkuish1

The scope of religion is to control the masses and manipulate them.

This is true in some instances, but the true purpose of religion, or spirituality, is to approach the divine Creator, and to find friendship with Him, to then express upon the Earth that which has been heard & expressed in Heaven.

In the Bible it says that true religion is to care for the needs of the widows & orphans - those who have nobody to stand up for them. This is literally the point - to stand for justice in the name of the people who have nobody to help them. In this specific way we are acting as the hands & feet of Jesus, in the Christian tradition. We work the works on Earth that He would do were He still present with us. And the miraculous does have a place in that - things are not always as they seem, and strange/ wonderful things have a habit of occurring near to where true religion is practised. People are so cynical these days because they have been exposed to the worst examples of what religion can be, if it is misused.

Religion destroys spirituality if you haven't realised it and its only purpose is the control and manipulation of the masses. Take as examples Christianity and Islam.

We can't take seriously what is claimed in the Bible and you can't use the Bible to argue about Christianity or the Bible and to discuss what Christianity teachers when we all know how ambiguous the Bible often encouraging mass murder and genocide in the old testament.

a reply to: Venkuish1

You clearly don't understand the context of the ancient middle eastern civilisation into which the Jewish nation was birthed. There is a mystery in the warfare that was necessitated during that time period, and there was a threat to the entire earth from a race of peoples who had as their ancestors non-human participants in the gene pool - it was necessary for the wellbeing of the entire world that those peoples be eliminated, because they had prior & ongoing form in the deliberate corruption of the earth as a quasi-spiritual pursuit, an objective to ruin & destroy Humanity that would never be stopped - unless someone stepped in with a divine mandate & put a stop to it. Which the Jewish people did, and we owe them a debt of gratitude for so doing.

This all hearkens back to the incident of the fallen angels cohabiting with human women & producing offspring that weren't entirely human, often described as 'giants' or 'mighty men, the heroes of old' - they were bad hombres, and their culture was poisonous. Dealing with it wasn't pretty, it wasn't pleasant, but it needed to happen, for the sake of the ongoing viability of human civilisation more generally.

I will state plainly that you are entirely wrong about the validity of the Christian tradition. Sure, there have been plenty of examples where the faith has been misapplied & abused, but name one institution in human history that hasn't suffered the effects of corrupt persons seeking their own advantage rather than the beneficent advantage of the peoples they are supposed to be working for.

When you address Christianity at the level of the local church, it is a beautiful thing, with much blessing & charitable endeavour finding its way into the society of which the church is a part. In the church itself, when the religion is properly administered, there are spiritual gifts such as prophecy, praying in tongues, seeing visions, hearing the word of wisdom or knowledge from the Holy Spirit, teaching, evangelism & several more. These gifts are charismatic, rooted in the indwelling presence of God's Spirit within each member of the church community who has given their life to the Lord & asked Him to fill them with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of building their own faith & building the true expression of church that Jesus desires. When the church is healthy, the people with these various gifts thrive & bless each other & the local community in really tangible ways. God loves to speak into the lives of His children, and through these various spiritual gifts he does so on a regular basis.

In recent years I was blessed with a prophetic gifting which is becoming a definite ministry within my own church at this time, I find it an amazing source of refreshment & joy to be able to bring spiritual insights specific to the lives of individual members of the church which are accurate & relevant to the circumstances which they are dealing with in their lives at that time, so as to edify & encourage them with the word of the Lord in relation to their evolving life situation.

Try to be a little less dogmatic in your utter rejection of religion. In its true & pure form it is intended to edify & encourage people, and as Jesus Himself said, it is for the purpose of giving life in abundance, as opposed to the mission of our spiritual enemy, which is to kill, steal & destroy. When you speak in condemnation of religion, are you edifying & encouraging people, are you blessing them with an abundance of life? Or are you seeking to tear it all down, spitting on the grave of the attempt of many good people to bless those who live in their own communities?

I would suggest that rather than pen your writings with the hatred & contempt which do nothing but poison your own soul, you perhaps consider reaching out to members of local churches until you find a place where you feel welcomed & free to learn & discuss the important issues of life with mature people whom you can trust. You might not find that ideal church on the first try, I know I didn't. But what you must surely by now understand is that even Christ said that within the church community writ large, there would be 'wolves amidst the sheep', false teachers & deceivers who deliberately corrupt the word of truth, so as to poison the souls of the peoples who should be under the care of wise & loving leaders.

There are wolves, and they seek to ruin the reputation of the church. You have believed them, rather than believing in those whose faith is genuine & whose love is true, people who know Jesus, who know that He doesn't condone the actions & behaviours of those false teachers who poison the planting of the seed of the Gospel.

Seek & you shall find.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Also a very important point for me to get across is the vast gulf between the validity of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and the false religion of Islam, which we who are mature in the Christian faith believe to have been an impostor tradition, deliberately seeded into the world by the enemy of Christ, which is Satan. In Christian scripture it is stated that even Satan can masquerade as an angel of light for the purpose of deceiving those to whom he brings false revelation. This is exactly what occurred with the supposed angelic revelation from 'Gabriel' to Mohammed.

The fact is that every aspect of the Islamic tradition is either poached directly from Judaism to attempt to grant it some sort of spiritual legitimacy, or it is entirely concocted by the spiritual enemy of Mankind, the Devil or Satan, designed to provide evil men with the justification to destroy entire cities of men, women & children &/or to convert them at the point of a sword, in return for their life. That is how Islam gained its popularity - forced conversion - something which neither Jews nor Christians have ever practiced.

Mohammed is aggrandised as being 'the perfect person' by fanatical Muslims, and the Quran is hailed as 'the most beautiful book in the world', yet neither of these points is evidentiarily true even in the slightest. Mohammed was credited with saying that his warriors should go into battle with their swords dripping with blood & their penises dripping with semen. He was speaking about the mass rape of conquered female victims, and it was a policy to allow his warriors to 'marry' (enslave) women who were conquered in this way. They were eventually allowed to have up to four wives & as many slave girls as they wanted for the purpose of abuse & self-gratification. Islam is an utterly vile concoction & it is an absurdly, patently false teaching when you get down to the nuts & bolts. There is no beauty or wisdom involved in any part of it, it is utterly deceptive & evil in its intent & practice.

In Judaic scripture (the Old Testament) it s said that Islam will be the adversary to the whole world, the enemy which raises its hand against everyone, and which everyone else will be united in raising their own hand against. Allah is acclaimed as 'the greatest deceiver' (one of his 99 honorific titles). The greatest deceiver is Satan & no other, because in Judeo-Christian scripture it is affirmed that God cannot tell a lie, it is impossible for Him to deceive people. Hence Islam testifies against its own validity in its own handwriting.

There is so much more that could be said - the principle of Taqqiyah - in which it is permitted for Muslims to lie disgracefully in order to gain an advantage over an enemy when they are pretending at friendship for the sake of steadily gathering power against them, and many, many more examples of scurrilous conduct, such as the permission for paedophilia, seeing as Mohammed married a six year old girl & 'consummated the marriage' (raped her) at the age of nine years old. It is thus permitted for Muslim men of any age to do the same. Sickening stuff. So much more that could be said, it would take hours to type out a proper rebuttal of all the fallacies of the Islamic 'religion'.

A far cry from the beatitudes of Jesus during the Sermon on the Mount, or His flat out rejection & judgment of paedophilia as a crime so heinous that perpetrators should be thankful to have a millstone tied about their necks & be cast into the bottom of the ocean depths, so great would their judgment be.