Killings of Palestinian children are soaring in the West Bank.

originally posted by: Zeyin
Murder is not an emotional word.
They have been murdered.

That is you using emotional loaded language.
They are casualties of war.
A war started by Hamas and the 'palestinians'
A war that Hamas and the 'palestinians' could have ended and none of this would be happening.

You actually have to see what the President of Brazil said.

Don't care.
Brazil is a crap hole country with massive human rights abuses and problems.
He can take care of his own country first before pointing fingers at someone
on the other side of the globe.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: nugget1

The thing with this den is not all the rattlesnakes are going to die. The surviving rattlesnakes are going to be gathered up and let loose in your backyard where they'll thrive and continue to populate. So now the den isn't thousands of miles away across land and sea. You can see it right from your kitchen window.

Is blowing up that den really serving the purpose it was meant to?

No, it just slows them down to keep them from killing everything in their path, kind of like why farmers use pesticides on their crops. You can't kill them all, but you can mitigate the damage they cause.

a reply to: nugget1

I agree with you to a degree but all it really means is we're going to have to exert more time & energy and funnel more money on "pesticides". We can spend all kinds of money on pesticides but eventually, pesticides will become the poison instead of the cure.

Economic-wise, we are already at a breaking point. What's going to send us straight over the cliff?Who really knows. I guess that's what they call a Black Swan event.

The problem with ideologies is they don't die inside a physical body. It's just like liberals and the gun issue. Liberals have the simplified idea if we just take all the guns, that will solve the gun problem. No it won't. Guns are more than physical structures of metal. Guns are an idea. A concept that's already been birthed, it's out in the world, now. Like the Genie out of the bottle, there's no putting it back. You can destroy every gun in the world but as long as there's a human alive who has the mental concept of a gun, then guns will always exist. And so will the problems. It's no different with any other ideology or concept. You can kill every Palestinian or every Muslim but as long as humanity exists, the idea of Islam will still remain along with all the problems.

a reply to: cherokeetroy

Economic-wise, we are already at a breaking point. What's going to send us straight over the cliff?Who really knows. I guess that's what they call a Black Swan event.

I think we passed the breaking point awhile back, myself; we just don't realize it yet.

What you've said makes a lot of sense. As long as there are humans there will be differences that will cause people to fight each other for dominance. Throw a little money and privilege into the mix and you have another cause to start a war over.

a reply to: nugget1

think we passed the breaking point awhile back, myself; we just don't realize it yet.

I think you're right. They're just keeping the economy on life support until someone decides to pull the plug.

originally posted by: cherokeetroy
a reply to: nugget1

think we passed the breaking point awhile back, myself; we just don't realize it yet.

I think you're right. They're just keeping the economy on life support until someone decides to pull the plug.

I'm wonder if the plug will be pulled around November, no matter what the outcome of the election. It seems the Obiden plan to 'fundamentally change America' is going forward at mach 5 these days.

Recently the ICC may be looking to take action against what is happening, and seems to be facing an opposition, people trying to prevent them from doing their job:

"ICC demands end to threats against court amid Gaza war probe

The prosecutor’s office at the International Criminal Court (ICC) has appealed for an end to what it calls intimidation of its staff, saying such threats could constitute an offence against the “administration of justice” by the world’s permanent war crimes court.
The Hague-based office of ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan said in a statement on Friday that all attempts to impede, intimidate or improperly influence its officials must cease immediately.
While the prosecutor’s statement did not mention Israel, it was issued after Israeli and US officials have warned of consequences against the ICC if it issues arrest warrants over Israel’s war on Gaza.
“The Office seeks to engage constructively with all stakeholders whenever such dialogue is consistent with its mandate under the Rome Statute to act independently and impartially,” Khan’s office said.
“That independence and impartiality is undermined, however, when individuals threaten to retaliate against the Court or against Court personnel should the Office, in fulfillment of its mandate, make decisions about investigations or cases falling within its jurisdiction.”
It added that the Rome Statute, which outlines the ICC’s structure and areas of jurisdiction, prohibits threats against the court and its officials."
www.aljazeera.com...

Israel continues to interfere with attempts to get aid to the people of Gaza:

"Israel has attacked aid workers and relief convoys ‘over and over again’, says Human Rights Watch report

Israeli forces have mounted repeated strikes on humanitarian aid workers’ residences and relief convoys in Gaza since October, according to a report by Human Rights Watch (HRW).
Eight attacks investigated by HRW took place even after the United Nations and international aid groups provided co-ordinates for housing locations and convoy routes. Israel’s military “did not issue advanced warnings to any of the aid organisations”, HRW said. At least 15 people were killed, including two children, and 15 injured in the cases cited.
President Michael D Higgins said the HRW report demonstrated “how these are not isolated incidents”.
The United Nations has said that more than 250 aid workers have been killed in Gaza over the course of the conflict, he pointed out.
“On a matter like this there can be no equivocation, it must be condemned by all those who believe in humanitarian principles. Silence on this matter would reflect badly on any member of the European Union.”
The most publicised incident was the co-ordinated attack on April 1st by three Israeli drones on a three-vehicle convoy of the US-based World Central Kitchen (WCK) which killed British, Polish, Australian, US-Canadian and Palestinian staff. HRW associate director Belkis Wille said it “was shocking and should never have happened under international law”."
www.irishtimes.com... -report/

a reply to: Welrus

More propaganda, Israel took responsibility for 7 aid workers and injured, that is no doubt about it, the rest is speculation paid by sponsored terrorist and hamas backers like Iran. Is a war zone and all the propaganda is to take away the fact that barbarian Inhumans took the life of many of the hostages taken by hamas.

More propaganda.

originally posted by: Welrus
Israel continues to interfere with attempts to get aid to the people of Gaza:

"Israel has attacked aid workers and relief convoys ‘over and over again’, says Human Rights Watch report

Israeli forces have mounted repeated strikes on humanitarian aid workers’ residences and relief convoys in Gaza since October, according to a report by Human Rights Watch (HRW).
Eight attacks investigated by HRW took place even after the United Nations and international aid groups provided co-ordinates for housing locations and convoy routes. Israel’s military “did not issue advanced warnings to any of the aid organisations”, HRW said. At least 15 people were killed, including two children, and 15 injured in the cases cited.
President Michael D Higgins said the HRW report demonstrated “how these are not isolated incidents”.
The United Nations has said that more than 250 aid workers have been killed in Gaza over the course of the conflict, he pointed out.
“On a matter like this there can be no equivocation, it must be condemned by all those who believe in humanitarian principles. Silence on this matter would reflect badly on any member of the European Union.”
The most publicised incident was the co-ordinated attack on April 1st by three Israeli drones on a three-vehicle convoy of the US-based World Central Kitchen (WCK) which killed British, Polish, Australian, US-Canadian and Palestinian staff. HRW associate director Belkis Wille said it “was shocking and should never have happened under international law”."
www.irishtimes.com... -report/

You sound ignorant on the logistics of aid in a war zone. Aid workers historically have sought permission to enter a major conflict zone to render aid. There is no ceasefire unless it’s agreed upon by both sides to allow aid workers into conflict zones. Entering into a conflict zone to deliver aid without permission from both sides is not advisable, keyword being “permission”. You can tell them what you want to do all day long but until you receive “permission”, you enter at your own peril. Word of advise… maybe not a good idea for aid workers to be in a conflict zone with on going active military exercises.

WCK learned the hard way, they have since ceased aid operations.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Welrus

More propaganda, Israel took responsibility for 7 aid workers and injured, that is no doubt about it, the rest is speculation paid by sponsored terrorist and hamas backers like Iran. Is a war zone and all the propaganda is to take away the fact that barbarian Inhumans took the life of many of the hostages taken by hamas.

More propaganda.

Where is the propaganda??
Israel has already admitted they have killed at least 30,000 people with the real number likely to be much higher. They have already admitted killing 16,000 civilians with the real number to be much higher but under international pressure they had to lower significantly the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths because of widespread condemnation. They gave 1:1 although we know the IDF has said at least 2:1 a few months ago. Someone isn't telling the truth as it seems.

In December, Israel's military said it estimated 66% of those killed to be civilians.[49]

Even the conservative figure of 61 percent is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s", according to Yigal Levy.[50] The number of casualties is higher than in any conflict in Gaza's recent history, with Neta Crawford of the Costs of War Project at Brown University stating, "This is, in the 21st century, a significant and out-of-the-norm level of destruction".[51] On 31 December, Al Jazeera stated 2023 was the deadliest year for Palestinians since the 1948 Nakba

You seem to be very concerned with the truth and reality of the situation and angry. But there is no excuse for the war crimes committed by Israel. You do understand that when you are accepting you have killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians you accept through associated war crimes and crimes against humanity committed against the Palestinian people.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: Welrus
Israel continues to interfere with attempts to get aid to the people of Gaza:

"Israel has attacked aid workers and relief convoys ‘over and over again’, says Human Rights Watch report

Israeli forces have mounted repeated strikes on humanitarian aid workers’ residences and relief convoys in Gaza since October, according to a report by Human Rights Watch (HRW).
Eight attacks investigated by HRW took place even after the United Nations and international aid groups provided co-ordinates for housing locations and convoy routes. Israel’s military “did not issue advanced warnings to any of the aid organisations”, HRW said. At least 15 people were killed, including two children, and 15 injured in the cases cited.
President Michael D Higgins said the HRW report demonstrated “how these are not isolated incidents”.
The United Nations has said that more than 250 aid workers have been killed in Gaza over the course of the conflict, he pointed out.
“On a matter like this there can be no equivocation, it must be condemned by all those who believe in humanitarian principles. Silence on this matter would reflect badly on any member of the European Union.”
The most publicised incident was the co-ordinated attack on April 1st by three Israeli drones on a three-vehicle convoy of the US-based World Central Kitchen (WCK) which killed British, Polish, Australian, US-Canadian and Palestinian staff. HRW associate director Belkis Wille said it “was shocking and should never have happened under international law”."
www.irishtimes.com... -report/

You sound ignorant on the logistics of aid in a war zone. Aid workers historically have sought permission to enter a major conflict zone to render aid. There is no ceasefire unless it’s agreed upon by both sides to allow aid workers into conflict zones. Entering into a conflict zone to deliver aid without permission from both sides is not advisable, keyword being “permission”. You can tell them what you want to do all day long but until you receive “permission”, you enter at your own peril. Word of advise… maybe not a good idea for aid workers to be in a conflict zone with on going active military exercises.

WCK learned the hard way, they have since ceased aid operations.

It's ok there is no need to excuses the actions by the Israeli Army. They ve already taken responsibility for 16,000 dead innocent civilians i.e mass killings and their associated war crimes and crimes against humanity. Perhaps you and other fellow supporters want to offer your legal services but Israel needs really good lawyers and even those will be unable to save the day.

We appear to have some more organizations taking a stand against this. Recently the ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, then the ICJ ordered Israel to halt the offensive in Rafah. This is a positive, but so far hasn't resulted in any relief for the Palestinians:


"After World Court ruling, Palestinians want action not words

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip/CAIRO, May 24 (Reuters) - Forced from her home by Israel's seven-month-long Gaza offensive, Salwa al-Masri has little hope her plight will be alleviated by a ruling from the U.N.'s top court ordering Israel to halt its offensive in Rafah.
"The massacres are only increasing," she said, as she cooked a meal on an open fire outside a tent in Deir al-Balah.
"They shouldn’t say one thing, while the action is something different," said Masri, who fled her home in northern Gaza earlier in the war. "We want these decisions to be implemented on the ground."
Judges at the World Court, also known the International Court of Justice (ICJ), ordered Israel on Friday to halt its offensive in Rafah governorate. It marked a landmark emergency ruling on a case brought by South Africa accusing Israel of genocide in its assault on the Gaza Strip.
But the World Court has no means to enforce its orders, and Israeli war cabinet minister Benny Gantz said Israel would continue its "just and necessary" war against the Hamas militant group to return its hostages and ensure its security.
Hamas fighters killed some 1,200 people in Israel in the Oct. 7 attack and abducted around 250 more, according to Israeli tallies. Gaza health authorities say more than 35,000 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli retaliatory offensive which has laid waste to much of the enclave."
www.reuters.com...

originally posted by: Welrus
Gaza health authorities say more than 35,000 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli retaliatory offensive which has laid waste to much of the enclave."

HAMAS falsely claims 35,000 dead 'palestinians'.
In reality, 16,000 civilians or so have died.
And they are dead as a consequence of Hamas and the 'Palestinians' attacking Israel.
Don't want any more dead 'palestinians'??
Then tell Hamas and the 'palestinians' to give up the hostages and lay down arms.
And tell them to stop calling for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of Jews.

The 'palestinians' picked the action of attacking Israel,
Therefore they also picked the consequences of doing so.
It's all their own fault.

UN Halves Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza.

The UN also highlighted that the plurality of identified fatalities were men (40%), while children were (32%) and women (20%).

UN Halves Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza

The United Nations seemingly halved the estimated number of women and children killed in Gaza, according to UN data published on May 6 and 8. The UN published the number of fatalities reported by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health or the Government Media Office in Gaza and Israeli authorities. The UN provided a disclaimer below the data: "The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures."

On May 6, the UN published data showing that 34,735 people had reportedly been killed in Gaza, including over 9,500 women and over 14,500 children. On May 8, the UN published data showing 34,844 people had reportedly been killed, including 4,959 women and 7,797 children.

The new figures showed the number of identified deaths as of April 30, which total 24,686 people; the new data also specified that 10,006 men had been killed and 1,924 elderly.

NOW ... add to that new 24,686 figure the fact that Israel says it estimates 12,000 dead Hamas fighters. If they are close to being correct, that leaves 12,686 civilian casualties. Men, women and children. VERY different from the figure of 34,000 dead women and children that Hamas is trying to bamboozle people with. And the fact still remains that NONE of them would be dead if Hamas and the 'palestinians' hadn't attacked Israel and if Hamas would lay down their arms and give up the hostages. (Which I doubt any are still alive given the abuse that the freed ones were going through)

IDF Says 12000 Hamas Fighters Killed in Gaza War

The Israel Defense Forces said Monday that troops have killed some 12,000 of Hamas’s estimated 30,000 gunmen in the Gaza Strip since war erupted on October 7, after a Qatar-based official for the terror group claimed it had lost half that number — some 6,000 fighters — during the four-month-old conflict.

Hamas is also believed to have thousands of operatives who are seriously wounded and unable to fight.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Is beyond me how the useful idiots are fed the hamas palestinian BS, I have to give it to the terrorist in the US and abroad, they have come out of the stone age and into the social media outlets and they are becoming masters.

These terrorists in Palestine attack Israel then go in a campaign to gather support lying their arses out as why they should be supported after committing atrocities to Israelis and Americans.

Then they know how many useful idiots all over the world are to support them, the truth is that if any of those useful idiots are caught within terrorist strong hold they will skin to dead, decapitated, their genitals mutilated, and the women raped to dead.

That is what terrorist paliestinan hamas do.