Physician burnout or refusal to sellout?

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Over the last few months I've seen a lot of nurses and even some doctors quit because they refuse to get vaccinated. At the same time the media is pushing a narrative that they are quitting due to "burnout". I'm sure a small fraction of them are burnt out, but it's pretty clear that's not the primary cause of the problem.

My wife manages a ER. The burnout is real but so its also the compensation or lack of it and the BS nurses have been fed.

While the Hospitals and the MSM was thanking the nurses for everything they do they were also sticking it to them by forcing them to take vacation time if diagnosed with covid versus paid sick time off. Also telling nurses and employees that if they get covid its very unlikely to have happened in the hospital because despite being in contact with it a on a daily basis, the hospital safety measures are to good. The list goes on and on then you have the non existent hazard pay and other lack of benefits.

Also Nurses are moving to areas where they offer more money due to covid fear mongering. My wife gets sent on a daily basis contract offers with bonuses and over 7K a week salary just like the one that she got yesterday to go to maryland ( I think it was) and another for new york (or jersey?) for 6K a week plus bonuses.

Then you have the school system going remote, so many of the nurses have quit and become traveling nurses for 2-3x the pay as their kids attend online classes. Until covid , traveling as a nurse wasn't an option for many due to kids and school. So remote schooling also put a wedge in the labor pool in certain areas that are not willing or unable to pay more.

Ofcourse the solution is not to compensate nurses and make it more attractive to hire more AMERICAN nurses.The fix is now to bring in foreign nurses and dropping the qualifications and saying there is not enough qualified AMERICAN nurses. This is what the hospitals are now working on in order to take back the advantage the nurses currently have over pay and compensation.

Also while I do think there are a lot of dr and nurses that havent got the jab, I don't think that is the biggest issue with the nursing labor shortage . The reasons I listed above appears to be the bigger issue that they are not wanting to address.

In addition the shortgage of nurses started way before the shots became mandatory . Then add all the kids nowadays not wanting to go to college and getting a medical or nursing degree because of debt and social media constantly reminding them that a school loan is their biggest issue as a young person that they cant overcome.


As they say never let a good crisis go to waste and they surely arent going to let this crisis go to waste.

More from Becker's Hospital Review...

Saint Luke's Health System in Kansas City, Mo., said Aug. 30 it's requiring employees to be fully vaccinated by Oct. 30, The Kansas City Star reported. The mandate will affect approximately 35 percent of its 12,000 employees who have not been vaccinated.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Aug. 16 that all healthcare workers in the state need to get their first COVID-19 vaccine dose by Sept. 27. Currently, 75 percent of the state's hospital workers are already vaccinated. The health department said Aug. 26 that religious exemptions would not be an availble alternative to vaccine.

MetroHealth System in Cleveland, said Aug. 26 it is requiring employees, contractors and volunteers to get vaccinated by Oct. 30. More than 80 percent of its 7,800 employees are already vaccinated.

Ochsner Health in New Orleans, is mandating all employees be vaccinated by Oct. 29, according to a news release shared with Becker's Aug. 24. Additionally, contractors, students, volunteers, agency nurses and vendors must also be inoculated. Currently, 69 percent of its staff is vaccinated.

There are many more listed in this report who only claim to have a 70% - 75% vaccination rate, but most of these reports date back to August. A lot of these hospitals aren't requiring full compliance until sometime in October or November, so we'll see if or how much they increase.

www.beckershospitalreview.com...

a reply to: interupt42

While the Hospitals and the MSM was thanking the nurses for everything they do they were also sticking it to them by forcing them to take vacation time if diagnosed with covid versus paid sick time off. also telling them that if they get covid its very unlikely due to the hospital because despite being in contact with it a on a daily basis the hospital safety measures are to good. The list goes on like lack of hazard pay .

How stupid do these hospitals think their employees are? That's pathetic.

Even businesses who accepted federal Payroll Protection Program assistance couldn't charge Covid sick time to employee earned sick time or vacation time available. Covid sick time was in addition to regular paid sick leave.

I'm afraid to see what this is going to do to nursing shortages. I was working for a university hospital system back in 2016, and even at that time, they were offering $10,000 to any employee who recommended registered nurses who became successfully employed into the system. This is going to get ugly.

a reply to: Deetermined

Yep its going to get ugly and like I said they never let a good crisis go to waste.

They are going to use this crisis to bring in foreign nurses who have the paper qualifications from foreign countries that pump out degrees and qualifications that happen to get paid 1/10 the wages on 6 month temporary contracts.

About 15 years ago they were talking about converting cruise ships into hospitals of the coast of california in international water and cycling them back in forth every 3 months but that was shut down. SImply because it was competing with the hospital lobbyist group in the US and their profit margin would have taken a hit. However, they have no concern with screwing over the american work force and they will use this to bring in foreigners at 1/10th the pay .

Nurses need to start ramping up their lobbying group but I think its to late and it appears that the nursing groups don't even see it coming or are purposely not seeing it .

a reply to: interupt42

SImply because it was competing with the hospital lobbyist group in the US and their profit margin would have taken a hit

Sounds like health care for profit, has some serious problems.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: interupt42

SImply because it was competing with the hospital lobbyist group in the US and their profit margin would have taken a hit

Sounds like health care for profit, has some serious problems.

not at all . what it sounds like is big govt with conflict of interest is not good for the masses. who would have thought?

hospital for profit can be good if the incentives are setup properly but when you have corrupted govt working for lobbyist
them you get yhe system we have.

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: interupt42

SImply because it was competing with the hospital lobbyist group in the US and their profit margin would have taken a hit

Sounds like health care for profit, has some serious problems.

not at all . what it sounds like is big govt with conflict of interest is not good for the masses. who would have thought?

hospital for profit can be good if the incentives are setup properly but when you have corrupted govt working for lobbyist
them you get yhe system we have.

Well, i agree regarding lobbyists and such..I don't know how you can fix that. I just think when profit is the motivator..that is not always in the best interest of providing the best outcome, or policy might be a better word, just the one that profits. I would not say the public system is perfect either though.

a reply to: vonclod

Unfortunately ALL of OUR problems is due to the fact that the majority of people expect a group of people riddled with conflict of interest (CONGRESS or their political party) to fix OUR problems that THEY (congress and BOTH party) created and are currently benefiting from.

It doesn't matter if its a capitalist solution or socialist solution as long as you have people with conflict of interest making the policies. Neither political ideology is immune to conflict of interest and the bigger the gov't the worse you are off when you have conflict of interest.

Conveniently neither party . the MSM, DNC, GOP, Hollywood, Social media, nor the Presidential debates primarily focus on conflict of interest which effects all industries including healthcare.

Cant fix healthcare until we reduce conflict of interest in congress first, or any other issue for that matter. Yet its not the primary focus of anyone?

So we continue in the endless left vs right or socialism vs capitalism circle of distractions when the real issue is congress having conflict of interest and using their resources ( MSM and social media) to distract the masses from it.