The Suborning and Subversion of Left Wing Groups

I decided to make this its own thread, as I feel its important and I just watched a vid from Chaziel Suns (linked below) that is talking about this very thing in a more modern context. This has been going on for quite some time, and it isnt just to precipitate conflict.. I really do believe the end goal is exactly as stated with Agenda 21. Given the methods of these people, I hope it gives everyone pause that has read the marketing & propaganda about Agenda 21 and thought it sounded lovely. This isnt so much about that, but the hijacking of left wing groups to serve this end.

I believe that they are targeted almost exclusively due to lefties (like me) simply being more amenable to change in general.

This sort of thing has been going on for years and years. There are ongoing operations here, and they are absolutely not for the benefit of the nation, or even the world at large.

About 20 years ago, I was involved in what many would call "left wing activist" groups. I watched them slowly be suborned and subverted by outside elements. My main focuses were environmentalism, animal welfare, class issues, and the general topic of basic needs. Topics that are still near and dear to me, however, my opinions simply became unwelcome as time went on. See, I had actual ideas about these things that were mostly apolitical. That, apparently, posed a problem.

These elements knew that most people would simply take things at face value. So, if the marketing of a group was say, "environmentalism," it was well known that most would buy into it absolutely. Those environmentalists would always do what was best for the environment and surely would never do anything "bad" right?

This same concept is quite prolific in any humanitarian, charity, environmentalist, activist, etc. groups. Ive seen millions and millions of dollars flow through a small town animal shelter, and the reaction tended to be "oh, someone who runs a shelter cant be anything BUT a good hearted person!" Out of the.. 8 million or so dollars, roughly $75k-$100k was spent on the actual shelter and animals... This particular series of events is its own tale and only tangentially related to "activism."

Thats just one incident, but it ended up being such a predictable pattern that I started pulling out of all of these groups, or being asked to leave (putting it nicely). They all tended to be either huge moneymakers, or destabilizing forces, or both. Anything that got enough traction would get subverted. Period. End of story. Every time.

Groups that started off well-intentioned would slowly be taken over. Then would be strongly discouraged from any paths of action that would see actual beneficial change, and strongly encouraged to see protests as The Answer to Everything. And when those didnt do anything, it was strongly encouraged to amp it up "to be heard."

Not only did these operations completely destroy the core message, they tended to completely delegitimize it altogether. And those of us that started calling it out, or even just disagreeing with anything at all, were ostracized, demonized, and even threatened as "traitors to the cause."

This seems to have become significantly more pervasive over the past 2 decades. Ive noticed that younger folks dont seem to have known any different than what appears to me as corporate marketing disguised as "causes." Scauses, if you will (South Park). These corporate-political forces want total centralized dependency, and the only real way to achieve that is through destabilization and delegitimizing anyone that might have ideas beyond corporate supremacy, or protesting and riots.

I think there is a big problem here, and these groups are directed by forces that do not have any of our best interests at heart. They hijack what would otherwise generally be just and good ideals, inflame the anger, and then point them in a direction that has little chance of resulting in anything other than destabilization. All the while, everyone involved will just blame the other side for the hijacking or say "thats how those crazy lefties have been all along." Any actual ideas that might catch on are lost in the milieu.

There are plenty besides my own experiences, but they get buried in the corporate marketing deluge masquerading as "righteous," "truth," and "justice." Im hoping that others that might have been involved with left wing groups in the past or present might be able to share their experiences as well. I have no doubt there are stories to tell from things like Occupy Wall Street!

This is a longterm operation with the openly stated timeframe starting around 2021. The media is in on it, some politicians are in on it, global organizations like the UN amd World Economic Forum are in on it, the Gates Foundation is in on it.. Soros.. Clintons.. and more.

Heres the vid from Chaziel Suns. Completely different type of left wing groups, completely different time frame, different societal/cultural context.. But exactly the same MO.

We are being played.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Leftest Organizations are Subversive to the Constitution and to people of the United States in and of themselves.

Current Communist Goals

Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.


7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.



So far they are doing a great job of destroying the nation and as you can see, most of the goals are met.

That video needs LOTS of play.

Cheers!!

The PLO started out as a real non violent movement. They were really close to achieving peace then it got hijacked. Now they can never have peace. It's all a money making operation today. Gun running, drugs. You name it. Everytime they have gotten close to peace the PLO walks away from the table.

originally posted by: Snarl
That video needs LOTS of play.

Cheers!!

P.V. "sting" will expose aspects of ANTIFA tomorrow morning: twitter.com...

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
The PLO started out as a real non violent movement. They were really close to achieving peace then it got hijacked. Now they can never have peace. It's all a money making operation today. Gun running, drugs. You name it. Everytime they have gotten close to peace the PLO walks away from the table.

Incorrect statement.
Please edit
Their STATED goal :

an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle

The problem began when a PLO leader was "elected" leader of the "Palestinian" people .

More on the PLO
Palestine Liberation Organization

Why don't folks use REAL history when posting ?

I will agree , sort of , the UN did acknowledge both the Palestinian (not one type of people , a conglomeration of wandering tribes with no affiliation ) and the PLO

a reply to: Serdgiam

I’ll bite.

The issue here is one of definition. The words “left” and “leftist” are used by many different people and mean many different things, The terms are used by a large swatch of ATS to be synonymous with “Democrat” which equal to “Socialist” which really means “enemy.”

And I guess that’s fine. DIfferent strokes, etc. etc.

We could go with a classic meaning which is anti-authoritarian.

We could go with a more historical meaning which actually would include Communists and Socialists.

We could go with more contemporary meaning which would be the Democrats in the US ... but for all intents and purposes they’re corporatists and centrists.

I said all that to say “so what”? Everyone means something different by the term. There is no integrated monolithic “left.”

You seem to be referring to specific groups in your OP. From what you said I might guess Greenpeace or the Sierra Club or a host of others.

As to the linked video:

My first impression of “Mr. Suns” was that was an actor hired to play a role. He’s doing a really good job, but he’s reading a script. Parts of his speech are inconsistent with others like the phrase “far left” ... that’s a right wing narrative term typically.

With a little digging though, he does seem to be legit. Here is his Facebook page.

He made the video in 2017. He has posts on his Facebook going back before well before that.

He says he wasn’t a part of BLM ... just the “Black community.”

So my final thought is that he is legi by which I mean what he says is what he believes. It’s his OPINION.

His opinion doesn’t prove anything, except that he has bought in to another political narrative that was also well established when he made the video.

The really sad/disgusting part about this right-wing narrative is that it assumes that Black Americans are easily duped.

In other words, it’s racist as hell. IMO

a reply to: Serdgiam
But isn't part of Agenda 21 herding people into living in the cities? Because they are failing miserably at that!

Since the "protests" began people have started moving out of our apartment complex left and right! And I'm not talking bout people whose lease is up, some of them have only been here a few months and you can't afford to live here unless you sign up for a year's lease. There have been several moving trucks here every day- and evictions are still at a halt here so it's not like they're being forced out

Hubs and I were chilling out on the patio earlier and a couple walking their dogs were discussing moving and they just moved here recently as well.

First it was Covid-19 and then protests, now looting and vandalism all over the city. People want to get the heck out of Dodge!

I think if anything this is working AGAINST their agenda!

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Sounds like you and Mr. Groot haven't heard the message: GtFOoD (Get the eff out of Dodge!!)

Frikken 'Looterville'.

a reply to: carewemust

Will watch for it. Thnx

a reply to: infolurker

This part ALWAYS seems to get left out of these quotes ... I wonder why?

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen

Skousen was among other things a rabid Bircher. This piece is always presented as being some official statement of the Communist Party of China or the USSR. It isn’t.

Source

a reply to: Gryphon66

replace socialist with communist. I am a socialist and i absolutely do not identify with anyone left of center.

sometimes the truth is racist. Does that mean we should deny the truth?

originally posted by: oddnutz
a reply to: Gryphon66

replace socialist with communist. I am a socialist and i absolutely do not identify with anyone left of center.

sometimes the truth is racist. Does that mean we should deny the truth?

Wow, that’s a lot in a small space:

1. Replace socialist where? In my post about historical “leftist” movements? Nah. It’s documented history.

2. You’re. a socialist? What do you mean by that (there are lots of theories and meanings).

3. The truth is racist? What’s an example?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: infolurker

This part ALWAYS seems to get left out of these quotes ... I wonder why?

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen

Skousen was among other things a rabid Bircher. This piece is always presented as being some official statement of the Communist Party of China or the USSR. It isn’t.

Source

The commies have plans to be sure, but if the 45 stated communist goals weren't in them, they are now. Let's say the 45 goals were our idea, then we laid out the whole plan for the reds to use against us. Either way it seems to be someone's goals, and they are succeeding.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Serdgiam

Leftest Organizations are Subversive to the Constitution and to people of the United States in and of themselves.

I do not believe they are innately this, but it is what they get turned into if the group gets any sort of traction.

Im also not sure that "communist" is quite right. Im not sure the types of folks behind all this operate under anything that we would normally recognize as a politicial paradigm or system.

I would actually argue they are largely capitalist in origin, but not in the sense we know. They use communism and capitalism, just like anything else. The CCP are definitely players in this though, and they might be one of the easiest ones to track (alongside groups like the Gates Foundation).

Technocratic or technofascist would be what Id call 'em.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I look at it more in terms of:

At one far end of the spectrum, we have individuals who go for change regardless of consequences.

At the other far end, we have people who resist any and all change regardless of consequences.

And then everyone in between. Whether this is a view you personally agree with is immaterial to the point here though; there is a long term system in place to subvert and hijack any group that might be looking to change anything. You can call those groups whatever you wish.

That innate desire, and whatever ideals those folks may hold, are then guided and directed towards methods that will either generate money or destabilize. This has the added benefit of squashing anyone and any ideas that might bring about change that is "out of line" with the corporate-political narrative. Things are set up to ensure perpetuity of the problems so that platforms do not need to change.

Chaziel Suns isnt the main point here, its just to add a bit more modern context than my own. I also greatly appreciated that even those that have grown up in the total corporate-political digital veil can see what is done to them.

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

It is a bit odd when considering that, isnt it?

I think that some factions of these people want depopulation though, so theres that lol

This is total conjecture and speculation on my part, but given that their stated plan is from 2021 to 2030.. There is a lot of time in there, with the end vision being clearly stated in their marketing and propaganda. It is unlikely that such a comprehensive and extensive plan will be implemented all at once.

I would think that what is going on now is to first destabilize the targets (cities) to start bringing the west into parity with less wealthy nations. "Wealth Equality" and all that.

They are also hubs around which large portions of the population rely. They need to decimate, or ideally destroy, any non-corporate means of distribution like mom-and-pop shops, smaller chains, etc.

In other words, I believe that the "high density living" is part of a later phase. This phase is to eliminate non-corporate means of business, destabilize supply chains, and sink the media manipulation hooks in as deeply as possible. All while preparing cities for later phases.

To be clear, I dont believe this is all inevitable though. I think there are plenty of paths to take right now that would build a better world than this technofascist nightmare of centralized dependency. The problem lies in actually get folks to participate.. The technofascists have that down to a fine tuned science.

My own ideas are a pretty direct juxtaposition and either eliminate means of manipulation (they are much more advanced than many seem to realize), or provide tools at the individual level for self-sufficiency and self determination. Which is why I try to repeatedly state:

Stop watching the news, including local
Stop using sites like facebook & twitter (instagram, snapchat, etc)
Start gaining food/power/manufacturing self-sufficiency in your home

These things are great avenues in nearly any context too. So, even if folks like me yammering on about this "globalist" stuff are wrong.. Those three steps will, imo, end up setting us on a great path anyway.

Im sure that others can come up with ideas too, maybe even better ones!

a reply to: Serdgiam

You have shared a lot of your thoughts here Ser, making it difficult to know where to begin in reply. So,,, I will try this.

The problem lies in actually get folks to participate..

This, from my experience, has been a cornerstone of all liberal causes, getting enough people to become involved. Voluntarily. But again from my own experience, voluntarism only goes so far, usually no further than community or local levels. In order to expand that voluntary participation, the cause or whatever needs to depend upon higher forms of organization. And in order for any higher forms of organization to prosper several other things are necessary. Strong centralized leadership for one. Financial assistance for another and more, and possibly the worst, good marketing.

Anywhere beyond local organization needs full time leadership, which, well, you know as well as any I suppose, leads to paid positions to support that leadership. Who other than people wealthy enough could work full time to coordinate a large liberal cause. Al Gore? Pulleeese.

I"m not so sure that the very suborning and subversion you are tying to discuss do not naturally stem from the mere nature of attempting to organize on a large scale.

Leadership needs people to bend their own ideas to be more in line with the leadership otherwise the needed ''focus'' and directions become to scattered to be effective.
Financial needs always allow infiltration of the financiers. Depending on member financial support just does not work on larger scale organizations from what I have experienced.
Marketing. Well, this of course runs smack dab into the need to manipulate more and more people with false or at least modified glimpses of the goals. Too narrow a goal will not attract enough people to hit a sustainable threshold and to broad a goal will just water it down enough to make it one more '''feel good'' corporate ''lalaburger''.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I will unequivocally state that the changes were not organic. It was always agents that came in, with exactly the same tactics, and all tracing back to corporate-political (corpolitical?) sources.

Any group pursuing change, that actually gains traction and volume, is diverted in the same way. Its not a slow shift. Its done by corporate-political entities to ensure that nothing happens outside of their vision. On this specific facet, I am not speculating or theorizing.

I would also argue that modern times has shown us, very clearly, that a decentralized group with a somewhat unified message is just as effective (if not more) than any centralized leadership.

One obfusacting issue here is that the vast majority of these decentralized groups actually have centralized cores. And, if they are large enough or influential enough, it is a nigh certainty that that core is corporate-political in nature.

Regardless, I am of the opinion that activism.. as it is generally pursued.. is not only susceptible to hijacking, but frequently is entirely useless in the first place. They tend to focus solely on ideals with a total elimination of pragmatism.

In a real life example specific to activism: environmental groups could probably learn a lot about the subject from "conservatives" who act as stewards of the land.

My personal take is that these ideals are significantly more likely to be realized through entirely apolitical means, like engineering and invention, rather than activism of any kind.

Who cares if someone agrees with my personal ideals and motivations if I can provide them a vehicle that gets eleventy billion miles per gallon? A system that automatically grows food in our homes with little to no effort?

This is the sort of participation I speak about.. Not ideological conversion, but actual tools & goods that anyone can appreciate.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Certainly, movements are compromised by the corporate alliances that there are either forced to assume or that are instigated by corporate direction in the first place.

The whole notion that ''gubment'' is the culprit tends to ignore that the ''gubment'' itself is corporate owned and run. And THAT is the biggest charade or veil that has been pulled over the eyes of so many citizens. The idea that mas media is socialist or communist is a nicely crafted smoke screen to explain away just about everything to the eyes of way to many conservatives. Liberals as well because media is corporate owned. And what is not will in to many cases happily sell out when a corporate comes to buy them.

So yes, the shifts that we need to have in order to survive as conscious beings on this planet are absorbed by or completely extinguished by the corporate system. Yet even then it is my contention that the corporate system itself is organic in inception. It grew as a product of human nature didn't it?

So what is it about corporate consciousness, those people, yes people, who have risen to the pinnacles corporate of power that causes them to be as they are. And even more important, how do we find a way to stop the encouragement of all of us to even take that first step on the ladder to corporatism.