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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Tartuffe
aye in the short term humans have increased their longevity but at an expense, but look at the impact of such on the planet !
the loss of habitats, the pollution of our ecosystems, the detriment to the food chain
the depletion of ozone layer !
its a fact , capitalism will kill our species and our planet !
just so a handful of people can have power and wealth in the present!
originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
I said earlier that violence breeds violence, the Soviets in Afghanistan probably also stirred resentment, I guess my main point is, what's the point of celebrating when it's greed fueled aggression that causes the need for these groups to be wiped out in the first place, it's just a stupid circle going around and around pointlessly
originally posted by: Tartuffe
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Tartuffe
aye in the short term humans have increased their longevity but at an expense, but look at the impact of such on the planet !
the loss of habitats, the pollution of our ecosystems, the detriment to the food chain
the depletion of ozone layer !
its a fact , capitalism will kill our species and our planet !
just so a handful of people can have power and wealth in the present!
The biggest polluter is China, which is a socialist country. Do you mean industrialization?
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
I said earlier that violence breeds violence, the Soviets in Afghanistan probably also stirred resentment, I guess my main point is, what's the point of celebrating when it's greed fueled aggression that causes the need for these groups to be wiped out in the first place, it's just a stupid circle going around and around pointlessly
You do understand that much of the Middle East is still run by warlords, right? Add in extreme fundamentalist views now to the mix and you get ISIS, but what they are, have become is actually a mentality that has been around for over 2000 years and not going away anytime soon, and not something Russia or America created in the last 30 plus years.
They cut their teeth on violence and that is why they are so hard to fully defeat, fighting is their life, what they do, a norm for them. In Iraq they killed each other tenfold over what we did in the war. Groups would go into a village and kill all the men, cut their heads off and throw their bodies in the river. If a Sunni walked into a Shia area they are not coming out alive and vice versa. The only reason Saddam was successful in ruling was because of his brutal actions that they either feared or respected, but its what they expected.
originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
I'm not sure of your angle, but I don't think bombing countries into obvlion as the US led invasions in the ME have done, have been a success, if anything it's probably made matters a lot worse, as I've been trying to say on this thread.
Additionally, not sure of your sources, but it was lie after lie in order to get the consent for going into these countries, remember Bin Laden's heavily fortified underground bunkers? Didn't exist. Remember the alleged Iraqi supergun? Didn't exist, chemical weapons only existed because Western arms manufacturers sold them to them.
And just because we are usually blinded to the corporate violence here in the Western world, doesn't make it any better, the biggest arms dealers on the planet aren't ME warlords, nor when whichever news station you watch tells you that in the name of freedom or god, we're going to liberate whatever country from tyranny, it's bullsh*t, it's about cash and global control, not human life.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: UKTruth
Sorry If I was mistaken
" Trump made it a priority and was a driving force in destroying the caliphate"
One could easily conclude from that statement that trump was paramount to its destruction?
originally posted by: makemap
originally posted by: Tartuffe
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Tartuffe
aye in the short term humans have increased their longevity but at an expense, but look at the impact of such on the planet !
the loss of habitats, the pollution of our ecosystems, the detriment to the food chain
the depletion of ozone layer !
its a fact , capitalism will kill our species and our planet !
just so a handful of people can have power and wealth in the present!
The biggest polluter is China, which is a socialist country. Do you mean industrialization?
The only way to shut down China is to shut down US. The biggest polluter is US. Even American military don't know what to do with Radioactive waste and puts them underground. All those tech came from US. Sooo, who's polluting more?
originally posted by: tabularosa
I guess most people don't think much about this is because there is plenty of anger and hate towards America because of the heinous acts we heap upon others. That has not gone away, and it will pop up again sooner rather than later. Kind of like a game of Whack-A-Mole.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
Because Trump is President. It would make him look good, we can’t have that.
Plus we know the Democrats can't remember anything farther back than 2 years so they will not remember that Obama, out of the blue, pulled out of Iraq creating the vacuum for ISIS to take a firm hold, and did they. That hold created true atrocities not seen since medieval times...
Yeah! Obama!