'We are not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now': South African parliamen

originally posted by: dizzie56
I dont know how someone could applaud this. Hopefully the Africaaners will fight back

Farmers fight back against the South African government/military? Not a chance in hell. The country is lost and has become a part of a much larger #hole.

Maybe Dick's Sporting goods can send the white farmers some "assault style" weapons that they are not selling

how much you want to bet, they have some good gun control laws there...

a reply to: RAY1990

They are talking about taking land without compensation. That means simply confiscating it to give it to others without giving any compensation to the person who had it.

Imagine if the government here decided they needed the land your house sat on for a school or highway and invoked Eminent Domain, but decided they did not need to compensate you fair market value ... or any market value of any kind? They just decide they want it, so they take it. And you have no say in anything and no compensation with which to even attempt to land on your feet afterward.

That's what's being talked about, and it came with the postscript threat that they are being "nice" enough to not talk about slaughter yet, and the only people this will be happening to are the white farmers.

a reply to: MisterSpock

Took the words right out of my mouth....

The supposedly privileged Whites were so racist they willingly voted to create a Democracy by sharing the vote, not dreaming that they would quickly be voted in to inferior positions and become powerless in a country they had developed.

Most of the farmers in South Africa are of Dutch and German descent, the Boers or Voortrekkers who fought off the invading Zulus and actually protected the tribes to the South from their predation. They established 2 free Republics and worked the land and for their trouble were repaid by having to fight the British twice and lost 5% of their people in British concentration camps.

It is the Boers more than anyone who are the target of this program since they have been the largest ethnic group of farmers. Farming is not native to the tribal people who lived largely as herders and hunters. They had no organized system of agriculture and simply never relied on it. They can take the farms and give away the land but it will fall in to disuse as farming requires too much organization, knowledge and labor to be successful. Expect a wave of foreign buyers (mainly Indian and Chinese) to come in buy up much of the land they appropriate.

You cannot give land back to people who never lived on it. The entire premise of land redistribution is fundamentally flawed.

Eta: After the end of Apartheid a certain amount of land was given to Blacks under the reconciliation commission. This is nothing but vote buying and greed.

If that is what they want, that is what they will get. I would say that after they slaughter the white population through racist genocide and discover that their abilities to farm consist of looking for berries in the bush, there should be no food provided when they starve. This is a harsh Darwinistic view, but the world does not need any more dependents. Maybe they will allow themselves to be annexed by another African Shangri-La that will care for them and not enslave them.

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Well, I'm sure all their plights are due to those white people. Once they are gone, the nation will no doubt flourish under such intelligent and noble leadership.

Oh, I see what you did there.

a reply to: trollz

Does racism explain the shanty cities filled with people of varying skill colour?

I honestly just want to know more, I think most South Africans want opportunities and a little less poverty. Scapegoats are easy, it's good practice when a lot of people are frustrated.

As a result, South Africa starved to the point that the president begged the whites to come back and returned their farms to them. This is the exact same thing, except the new president of South Africa says they'll do it smarter this time and not starve themselves to death and crash their economy. Weeee'llll see.

So people of colour are basically incapable of feeding themselves?

Because that's exactly what it seemingly implies, I'm just thinking Where's the education and investment, why do millions live in a serious case of poverty.

Why is it predominantly non-whites in poverty, why is 72% of farming land owned by a small minority of whom I suspect a fraction of that small fraction are actually the land owners?

Yeah, I'm guessing a lot of racism exists in SA... Corruption too.

a reply to: weirdguy

The Boer Prophet, Siener Van Rensburg, predicted "buckets of blood", when the shootout started. He also stated that the death of a prominent English woman in Europe, would be the bell weather to start counting down to the date of this war. We're now twenty years past the death in Paris, of Princess Di. So the old Boer Prophet may have meant some Englishwoman, who hasn't been killed, as of yet.

Right now, they are in the middle of a terrible drought. It's as good a time as any to start up a war. I'm betting that the farmers will take out what's left of the British Industrialists around Pretoria, and it's Diamond mines, so that they don't get stabbed in their backs again, like what happened with De Clerke, and Mandela, back at the Millennium. Now if that was really the start of Sienner's war, this newest land grab, may be the second chapter. Act III would be the death of the Boers, but Sienner predicted that they would prevail, and reclaim their nation. If so, then where will all the surviving Blacks go to??

De Clerke and Mandela tried to make a peaceful transition, to a Black Gov't, which made room for the Afrikaners, but no more. What has been going on since Mandela, is that powerful foreign interests have literally been taking water and mineral rights out from under those same farmers, descended from European pioneers. When the Blacks are defeated, you better bet that the Boers will eliminate any and all foreign land, water, and mineral, claims, by foreigners. Their pioneering land claims will go all the way down through the Earth, and all the way up to the Stars. Right now, there's a big plot of land, which cannot be developed, to keep from raising dust, and messing up S. Africa's telescopes at Sutherland. We're talking of hundreds of square miles, just to keep the dust down.

I predict that when Sutherland's Telescopes are blown to smithereens, it's a good place to start counting this as the Third Boer War.

Germans started to rebuild, even as the fires still smoldered. Those ANC Blacks, can't run stable Bureaucracies, much less rebuild them from ashes. The Afrikaners don't have to kill 90% of their RSA's population, but only need to use scorched Earth tactics in order to starve them out. China will try and move in on those starving Blacks. So where India ends up, in all this, will probably decide their fate. Sienner also predicted that the Germans would re-occupy German S.W. Africa, ( Namibia ), but I cannot see Merkal doing this. So it's going to get much bigger, than overthrowing some Black ZULU Tribesmen in the R.S.A.

And make no doubt about it, it's those ZULUS who are the trouble makers. And they can be counted on to cause trouble on both sides of most of the RSA's conflicts.

a reply to: RAY1990

Why is it that Zimbabwe made the exact same moves that South Africa is thinking they will now make and nothing in Zimbabwe changed for the better except that the country went from self-supporting, even a net exporter of food -- the bread basket of Africa in fact -- to the third world hellhole it is today?

Understand that I am not implying that blacks cannot farm, but what I am saying is that when a country shows that it no longer exists under any rule of law and there is no security in property, a country's productivity and prosperity absolutely crater, not to mention the damage you do simply giving land to people who do not know how to farm. But that latter could be rectified ... but why hasn't it been in Zimbabwe? Because the place is a lawless hellhole like South Africa is rapidly becoming.

a reply to: dizzie56


Is this verified?

If so, it is unsettling to say the least. Surely reason will prevail.

Will it?

Somehow or someway Trump's sh*thole thing is spreading...

a reply to: carpooler

The farmers are hopelessly outnumbered.Their best bet for survival is to either leave the country,or if that is not possible,to leave their farms and move to the cities and towns.We will probably all starve to death in this country in the next decade or two anyway.Here being white means being trapped to be slaughtered sometime in the future,and it seems being black here will soon mean starving in famine along with any surviving whites.There is no hope left.

a reply to: dizzie56

And in 10 years time South Africa will be facing famine and its economy will be in the toilet like the rest of Africa....

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: dizzie56

So what's the deal here?

Are they nationalising the lands? Forcing fair distribution as to stop monopolies? You know kinda like other nations do?

Are they really stealing white man's land, is that really the deal here?

The ANC is increasingly under pressure to speed up land redistribution to help shore up its support among poorer black voters ahead of the election next year.

Land redistribution... What accords were drew up in relation to the end of apartheid?

Another piece from your link you didn't post :

White farmers control 73 percent of arable land compared with 85 percent when apartheid ended in 1994, according to a recent study.

I'm not saying you are being dishonest nor am I claiming daily mail are being dishonest, I'm merely asking what's the deal here?

I'm getting a fraction of this story... Ain't I?

Redistribution without compensation if theft....period.

a reply to: RAY1990

So people of colour are basically incapable of feeding themselves?

No just socialist run Nations that have a lot of people of color it seems. In Fact, socialism everywhere in the third world seems to have that problem. That's the common denominator not the skin color.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

And what's the state of affairs 25 years later? The tiny white majority still owns 72% of the arable farm land. Who honestly believes that's sustainable? It seems to me like the world community needs to step in now to keep this from turning into outright genocide but I don't see a path forward where land won't be redistributed.

The offer redistributed with fair compensation.


Look what happened in Zimbabwe. Did not turn in to a liberal paradise did it?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: RAY1990

They are talking about taking land without compensation. That means simply confiscating it to give it to others without giving any compensation to the person who had it.

Imagine if the government here decided they needed the land your house sat on for a school or highway and invoked Eminent Domain, but decided they did not need to compensate you fair market value ... or any market value of any kind? They just decide they want it, so they take it. And you have no say in anything and no compensation with which to even attempt to land on your feet afterward.

That's what's being talked about, and it came with the postscript threat that they are being "nice" enough to not talk about slaughter yet, and the only people this will be happening to are the white farmers.

Actually if you refuse their offer they will take it and give you notyhing.

a reply to: dizzie56

Must be time to get the women and children out of country. Bad times are a comin'.

Not only does the pendulum swing both ways, it does so in haste.