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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: InTheLight
Well, with respect, that is not what festival is for. It is for universal unity, not limited unity. It is not a place for political, racial, gender based or sexual segregation. A separate event would be all very well, but festival is about everyone, not individual groups. If myself and a trans mate of mine went to a festival, and she pissed off to some secret place for the day, I would be upset. Why? Because my mate and I are friends, and I know her a damn sight better than some fundamentalist douche, who wouldn't know the meaning of community if it's dictionary definition was tattooed on their forehead.
This is how it IS:
No one has permission to take themselves out of society. They have permission to be in society, no matter what they do in it. Community is not about having everyone around you be the same, or think the same, or have the same problems or advantages. Community is about people from different walks of life living, and being together in harmony. Nothing is achieved by creating exclusive spaces at communal events, which only contain a singular demographic within a given sample of the population.
You cannot promote an individual's rights to be part of a community without coming across intolerance, by creating spaces where ONLY persons who fit into certain pigeon holes can go. You can only achieve greater division, by hiding away in a safe space. Utter bloody foolishness.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
That too.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
There's violence against all people....The question is, why?
Religion? Culture? Or is society becoming simply dysfunctional?
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
There's violence against all people....The question is, why?
Religion? Culture? Or is society becoming simply dysfunctional?
I don't understand why, because I don't hate. It just isn't in my make up.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
There's violence against all people....The question is, why?
Religion? Culture? Or is society becoming simply dysfunctional?
I don't understand why, because I don't hate. It just isn't in my make up.
Well you are lucky, luckier than the vast majority of people, almost everyone hates someone else
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight We're getting off subject a bit.
A straight, non-transgender friend and ally summed up what we need the most though:
"I cannot comprehend what a person who identifies as transgender endures. As a human being, I don't have to comprehend to feel compassion and acceptance. It's okay to not understand. It's not okay to demean and belittle because of your own personal shortcomings and inability to understand."
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
It's a thread exploring the rights wrongs and whys of a segregated area at Glastonbury. Why people hate would be a thread of it's own (That would probably go on forever)
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
It's a thread exploring the rights wrongs and whys of a segregated area at Glastonbury. Why people hate would be a thread of it's own (That would probably go on forever)
But the hate breeds the violence (and rising), which is probably one of the major motivating factors why it is only for people who identify as women.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
It's a thread exploring the rights wrongs and whys of a segregated area at Glastonbury. Why people hate would be a thread of it's own (That would probably go on forever)
But the hate breeds the violence (and rising), which is probably one of the major motivating factors why it is only for people who identify as women.
See, I'm not sure it's all to do with hate and violence.
Some of it is going to be because some women don't want to deal with men trying to hit on them all the time, some will be people who don't want to feel others eyes on them because they aren't the same as everyone else.
Hate and violence are something over and above those more mundane (but equally valid concerns)
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
It's a thread exploring the rights wrongs and whys of a segregated area at Glastonbury. Why people hate would be a thread of it's own (That would probably go on forever)
But the hate breeds the violence (and rising), which is probably one of the major motivating factors why it is only for people who identify as women.
See, I'm not sure it's all to do with hate and violence.
Some of it is going to be because some women don't want to deal with men trying to hit on them all the time, some will be people who don't want to feel others eyes on them because they aren't the same as everyone else.
Hate and violence are something over and above those more mundane (but equally valid concerns)
Yes, these too are valid concerns which they should not have to deal with at a marginalized group support and educational venue. There will be many other opportunities to tackle these problems outside of this one function.
originally posted by: SprocketUK
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
originally posted by: InTheLight
originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: InTheLight
It's a thread exploring the rights wrongs and whys of a segregated area at Glastonbury. Why people hate would be a thread of it's own (That would probably go on forever)
But the hate breeds the violence (and rising), which is probably one of the major motivating factors why it is only for people who identify as women.
See, I'm not sure it's all to do with hate and violence.
Some of it is going to be because some women don't want to deal with men trying to hit on them all the time, some will be people who don't want to feel others eyes on them because they aren't the same as everyone else.
Hate and violence are something over and above those more mundane (but equally valid concerns)
Yes, these too are valid concerns which they should not have to deal with at a marginalized group support and educational venue. There will be many other opportunities to tackle these problems outside of this one function.
True, though I read the op and figured it was just a way for some people to feel at ease yet still attend a big event, rather than any big plan to solve the deeper issues behind all this stuff.
originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
I think men need to sit down with one another and honestly ask themselves:
Is going to festivals to get drunk and harass women something we want to endorse? Wouldn't a man turn to his dude/bro and tell him to "STFU about all that 12 year old crap and talk about something authentic and interesting for a change."
Like climbing 14'ers, or curing breast cancer, curing bacon, or walking on the surface of mars, barefoot?
As a man with a mother, a lover and a daughter, I don't feel attacked when a woman wants to spend time with the girls. If she has anything to say about me, let it be good things. I have only good things to say about her.